How do sub-clans/qabiils start?

[Cali Maxamed]

Somali clan lineages and ties are bs in my opinion (partially a fact). When clans have fights they would claim outside clan to have upperhand.. we saw how some somalis recently were claiming oromo to be one of them since that could give them advantage

The Somali lineage is extremely important because it is the very essence of identity. Without it, we cannot distinguish who is Somali and who is not. True, there are those who forge genealogies for vile purposes and temporary gains, but here you can find the correct lineage chart—anything that contradicts it is false :

Genealogical Chart Of Somali Clans : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Jaantuska Abtirsiinta Beelaha Soomaaliyeed مشجرة أنساب القبائل الصومالية Genealogical Chart Of Somali Clans

archive.org

Some may not be convinced and may see it as myths and legends, but look at it from another perspective: unity and putting an end to the identity crisis. Establishing a sound understanding that we are all brothers would curb tribal bigotry. Siad Barre tried to eliminate the concept of lineage and clan but failed. Had he instead taught them the correct lineages while instilling Islamic morals in schools, we would not be in the situation we are in today.

 

[DALMAR0_0]

The Somali lineage is extremely important because it is the very essence of identity. Without it, we cannot distinguish who is Somali and who is not. True, there are those who forge genealogies for vile purposes and temporary gains, but here you can find the correct lineage chart—anything that contradicts it is false :

Genealogical Chart Of Somali Clans : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Jaantuska Abtirsiinta Beelaha Soomaaliyeed مشجرة أنساب القبائل الصومالية Genealogical Chart Of Somali Clans

archive.org

Some may not be convinced and may see it as myths and legends, but look at it from another perspective: unity and putting an end to the identity crisis. Establishing a sound understanding that we are all brothers would curb tribal bigotry. Siad Barre tried to eliminate the concept of lineage and clan but failed. Had he instead taught them the correct lineages while instilling Islamic morals in schools, we would not be in the situation we are in today.

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The whole world had tribalism, could u imagine China or England still practicing yet being where they are now? Using tribalism for identification of somalinimo isn't a solution and just a way to justify attachment to tribalism and it's ignorance. We live in the 21st century so there are countless way to Id someone (this should be very obvious)

"Establishing a sound understanding that we are all brothers would curb tribal bigotry"
That's literally not possible with a tribalist society since tribalism nurtures fragmentation. There is a Somali maahmaah that goes 'it's my clan vs other clans, then my clan vs my lower clan, then me vs my brother' or something like that

And just because sayid methods to minimize qabil doesn't mean it's a hopeless endeavor

 

[Cali Maxamed]

And just because sayid methods to minimize qabil doesn't mean it's a hopeless endeavor

We have seen, in tangible reality, the outcome of this theory and its application—so why go back and repeat the same actions when we have already witnessed its failure? My theory is based on correct lineage and Islamic ethics. The Islamic religion is divided into three aspects: creed, rituals, and ethics. Most of society knows a little about creed and rituals but is almost entirely ignorant of ethics.

could u imagine China or England still practicing yet being where they are now?

Every nation has its own uniqueness, so it is not appropriate to apply theories that succeeded in the West or in China to the Somalis. Siad Barre tried it, fled the country, and left it in ruins. And now, those of us in this forum are displaced abroad, with only a few having had the opportunity to set foot in Somalia again. The crisis of identity, tribalism, and so on stems from a misunderstanding of lineage and a lack of understanding of Islam.

"Establishing a sound understanding that we are all brothers would curb tribal bigotry"
That's literally not possible

So, in your opinion, is the solution to leave things as they are? The separatists believe they share no blood ties with their brothers, thus justifying inhumane and brutal treatment as if they were strangers with no connection to them—without any psychological restraint that these are their brothers, nor any religious restraint that they will be punished in the Hereafter for harming their blood brothers first, and then their brothers in faith?

Chinese wisdom says: "Be like water—do not collide, but flow through."

The Arabs are the closest nation to us in terms of social and cultural conditions. They did not fight lineage and Clan; rather, they utilized them and built a great civilization.

Even today, in Gulf countries, each person’s name is accompanied by their clan’s name—for example, Saleh Al-Ghamdi.

Currently, the most stable Arab countries are the Gulf states and Jordan, while countries like Yemen, Iraq, Syria, etc.—where most (though not all) abandoned lineage and clans (replacing tribal affiliation with regional identities, e.g., Ali Al-Adani)—are in chaos and instability.

This is not a valid comparison if there exists a skilled and shrewd politician who can exploit his country’s conditions and leverage them to govern, his nation will stabilize, and he will lead it as he pleases. You yourself pointed out how separatists promote false lineages to incite their people toward secession—and unfortunately, their methods still succeed due to people’s ignorance of true lineage.

I have brought a solution. I ask you, after rejecting my solution, to argue with me using another solution and to prove that yours is the most correct and suitable. In the end, I speak from the logic of a reformer, not from the logic of a critical analyst whose words do not translate into action.