Mathematical oddity. How does your great grandfather have a thousand descendants? mine has at most 130-150 if I got my maths right.
How do sub-clans/qabiils start?
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Impossible, the average is 30 for the larger clan, and dates back to about 800-900 years ago, some of the larger clans practice telescoping.
"Over time, the parameters of inclusion undergo alterations, whereby sub-lineages may evolve into lineages. This is attributable to the fluctuations in the growth and decline of lineages and clans. As time progresses and demographic changes transpire, new units may emerge (diverge) from pre-existing ones, while earlier entities are condensed, a process that involves concentrating attention exclusively on prominent individuals within one's genealogical framework often referred to as 'Telescoping'."
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My lowest politically viable 'reer' I count to in 7 generations. This grouping of mine has been around since perhaps my grandfather or great-grandfather's time. Something about the 5-10 generation paternal grouping makes sense sociologically. Small enough to alleviate concerns but large sufficient to pool manpower and funds together in times of conflict. Factor in the nomadic lifestyle, where many groups ranged further and further away from their original homelands in search of pasture, and this process can be sped up even further.
My next reer is only one generation above where the three sons of my ancestor each have their own reer. In my case, these clans live together in a semi-nomadic way of life on the river Dawa, so geographic distances aren't far at all. These brother reers support each other as their is a plurality of other Somali qabils in the area. But day to day we claim our lower reers.
As others mentioned above, numerical numbers may necessitate lineages who haven't prospered to cling to older lineage groups for safety reasons. While newer, more lively lineages that through spouts of good luck and plenty of sons and success can politically claim rather new lineages as they have the manpower to back it.
Through is in the same qabil you can have A(the father)-B(son1)-C(son2).
A(father lineage)
B(son sub lineage)
C(son sub lineage)
C's lineage splits initially into 3 subclans
A
B
C
D(sub lineage of c)
E(sub lineage of c)
F(sub lineage of c)
This process often I've notice when it starts continues, so sublineages often produce more sublineages.
A
B
C
D
E
H(H-E-C-A line of decent)
F
I(I-F-C-A line of decent)
J(youngest sublineage J-F-C-A line of descent)
Notice how the sublineages of C continue to atomize, forming their own lineages while lineage B still remains as a whole group. This kind of lineage freeze can be observed in a smaller form within the subgroups of lineage C, as lineage E and F continue to subdivide, their brother lineage D remains as one group. By this process of lineages splitting, you can have some subclans further down the lineage and others near the top be nearly equal in size.
My next reer is only one generation above where the three sons of my ancestor each have their own reer. In my case, these clans live together in a semi-nomadic way of life on the river Dawa, so geographic distances aren't far at all. These brother reers support each other as their is a plurality of other Somali qabils in the area. But day to day we claim our lower reers.
As others mentioned above, numerical numbers may necessitate lineages who haven't prospered to cling to older lineage groups for safety reasons. While newer, more lively lineages that through spouts of good luck and plenty of sons and success can politically claim rather new lineages as they have the manpower to back it.
Through is in the same qabil you can have A(the father)-B(son1)-C(son2).
A(father lineage)
B(son sub lineage)
C(son sub lineage)
C's lineage splits initially into 3 subclans
A
B
C
D(sub lineage of c)
E(sub lineage of c)
F(sub lineage of c)
This process often I've notice when it starts continues, so sublineages often produce more sublineages.
A
B
C
D
E
H(H-E-C-A line of decent)
F
I(I-F-C-A line of decent)
J(youngest sublineage J-F-C-A line of descent)
Notice how the sublineages of C continue to atomize, forming their own lineages while lineage B still remains as a whole group. This kind of lineage freeze can be observed in a smaller form within the subgroups of lineage C, as lineage E and F continue to subdivide, their brother lineage D remains as one group. By this process of lineages splitting, you can have some subclans further down the lineage and others near the top be nearly equal in size.
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That whole tree don’t make sense to me tf is aji and why darood and dir come from it
How does assimilation happen are they adopted kids or something
Aji was Dir(Abu-Bakr) and Dagale's father; Darood married Dagale's daughter, Dombira, most likely a post-Islamic identity. The Darood are Somalis; there is no major Semitic paternal ancestry in Somalis in post-Islamic history.
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balanbalis
Reacting doesn’t mean endorsement
… no thank you
I tried years ago and it wasn’t my thing
Somali clan lineages and ties are bs in my opinion (partially a fact). When clans have fights they would claim outside clan to have upperhand.. we saw how some somalis recently were claiming oromo to be one of them since that could give them advantage
