Honest Question: How can Slanders convince our neighbours to support independence?

[Adam Isaaq]

I wanted to reach out and try to find out the answer to this question. Of course there are issues in the east, but let's just assume an arrangement was worked out where even something akin to Khatumo remained in Somalia, what is the problem? I personally know that I love to be able to visit a booming Hamar, and I sometimes think that people from the south don't realise that an independent Somaliland would actually be great for them. Leave aside all tribal issues for now, what would it take for you guys to accept SL?

 

[El padrone]

You must be a newbie.

Sland independence and sovereignity isnt negotiable with the south. and theres no khaatumo, disgruntled dhulos will have their needs and complanints met by Sland gov.

hypothetically sland could have let dhulos join their darood brothers in puntland, only if they could get along with PL, but they want to est a new state, which is unvisible because they arent the sole traditional residents of the 3 regions they claim.

 

[Adam Isaaq]

You must be a newbie.

Sland independence and sovereignity isnt negotiable with the south. and theres no khaatumo, disgruntled dhulos will have their needs and complanints met by Sland gov.

hypothetically sland could have let dhulos join their darood brothers in puntland, only if they could get along with PL, but they want to est a new state, which is unvisible because they arent the sole traditional residents of the 3 regions they claim.

I know but I am trying to concede even that to get to the fundamental issue here. I'm saying concede all of the points. What is left? None of us remember a functioning state. I just want to know what role Somaliland has in their understanding of their own state. My people are from north Hargeisa and we have all tribes from the south their and investing. It makes me very happy that they feel safe in Hargeisa. They have that without us being one state out of the broader cultural affinity, so I want to know what they think they lose with an independent Somaliland.

 

[Yonis]

Somalia is 1, even Somaliland government official know recognition is not achievable after so many years of begging.

Secondly the west and the US have been putting so much time work and resources into rebuilding the central government so why would they or anyone else throw that away and recognise SL.

Thirdly their borders is still ambigous, will a recognised SL include all of SSC? if so, they don't control Cayn and Eastern Sanaag is controlled by Puntland.

Also, Hawiye Darood and Dir all are in favour of a unified Somalia, only people pushing independance are Isaaq, this is not a feasable situation as you might understand, majority of the country are pro union and thats not gonna change anytime soon.

Unfortunately you have been lied to by your government, they themselves know they're not independant and the Berbera deal is just one example e.g. they went to the federal government to sign it off, the vice president of Puntland said it himself.

You guys are so brainwashed you need to be red pilled

 

[Von]

and be a vassal state to Ethiopia like how Belarus is to Russia, I think ill pass. The only think a Somaliland state would do would be giving Ethiopia more space and dominates in the region.

 

[Adam Isaaq]

Somalia is 1, even Somaliland government official know recognition is not achievable after so many years of begging.

Secondly the west and the US have been putting so much time work and resources into rebuilding the central government so why would they or anyone else throw that away and recognise SL.

Thirdly their borders is still ambigous, will a recognise SL be all of SSC? if so, they don't control Cayn and Eastern Sanaag is controlled by Puntland.

Also, Hawiye Darood and Dir all are in favour of a unified Somalia, only people pushing independance are Isaaq, this is not a feasable situation as you might understand, majority of the country are pro union and thats not gonna change anytime soon.

Unfortunately you have been lied to by your government, they themselves know they're not independant and the Berbera deal is just one example e.g. they went to the federal government to sign it off, the vice president of Puntland said it himself.

You guys are so brainwashed you need to be red pilled

Yes Younis, but my point is this. Do you not think self determination is important? Let's remove the border issue. Take all the contested land for the sake of argument. And let's assume that as far as the West is concerned it is not an obstacle to their work with the federal government. I am trying to remove all these things just to get to the conceptual point. What would it take for you to accept Somaliland?

 

[Adam Isaaq]

and be a vassal state to Ethiopia like how Belarus is to Russia, I think ill pass. The only think a Somaliland state would do would be giving Ethiopia more space and dominates in the region.

I would say in reality an independent Somaliland would help pan-Somali goals. It would draw a line under the past. This is part of the reason why I think it is better for the Federal Government. I think you might even see in 2160 another attempt to give the whole United Somalia idea another go if we build up interdepency and political maturity.

 

[Gambar]

Somalia is 1, even Somaliland government official know recognition is not achievable after so many years of begging.

Secondly the west and the US have been putting so much time work and resources into rebuilding the central government so why would they or anyone else throw that away and recognise SL.

Thirdly their borders is still ambigous, will a recognised SL include all of SSC? if so, they don't control Cayn and Eastern Sanaag is controlled by Puntland.

Also, Hawiye Darood and Dir all are in favour of a unified Somalia, only people pushing independance are Isaaq, this is not a feasable situation as you might understand, majority of the country are pro union and thats not gonna change anytime soon.

Unfortunately you have been lied to by your government, they themselves know they're not independant and the Berbera deal is just one example e.g. they went to the federal government to sign it off, the vice president of Puntland said it himself.

You guys are so brainwashed you need to be red pilled

Northern Dir aren't pro independence?

 

[Von]

I would say in reality an independent Somaliland would help pan-Somali goals. It would draw a line under the past. This is part of the reason why I think it is better for the Federal Government. I think you might even see in 2160 another attempt to give the whole United Somalia idea another go if we build up interdepency and political maturity.

I don't think you understand, that without a unified state we will be a forgotten people by 2100. if you think Ethiopia is going to sit on its ass and let their greatest threat unify jokes on you. you should read books on geopolitics, here's one 'prisoner of geography' by Tim Marshall. maybe you realize why Ethiopia or any country does what it does.

 

[Yonis]

Northern Dir aren't pro independence?

I generalised with Dir

 

[TheAnswer]

I wanted to reach out and try to find out the answer to this question. Of course there are issues in the east, but let's just assume an arrangement was worked out where even something akin to Khatumo remained in Somalia, what is the problem? I personally know that I love to be able to visit a booming Hamar, and I sometimes think that people from the south don't realise that an independent Somaliland would actually be great for them. Leave aside all tribal issues for now, what would it take for you guys to accept SL?

We'll just wait for the next drought to wipe you guys out, the one you just went through hit you the hardest and wiped away 80% of your livestock.
Meanwhile we'll be sipping fresh mango juice on our side, which will benefit from global warming with increased rains.
IN other words, there's nothing that will make us accept SL.

 

[waraabe]

Somalia is 1, even Somaliland government official know recognition is not achievable after so many years of begging.

Secondly the west and the US have been putting so much time work and resources into rebuilding the central government so why would they or anyone else throw that away and recognise SL.

Thirdly their borders is still ambigous, will a recognised SL include all of SSC? if so, they don't control Cayn and Eastern Sanaag is controlled by Puntland.

Also, Hawiye Darood and Dir all are in favour of a unified Somalia, only people pushing independance are Isaaq, this is not a feasable situation as you might understand, majority of the country are pro union and thats not gonna change anytime soon.

Unfortunately you have been lied to by your government, they themselves know they're not independant and the Berbera deal is just one example e.g. they went to the federal government to sign it off, the vice president of Puntland said it himself.

You guys are so brainwashed you need to be red pilled

Lol so why do you hate your galmudug brothers kkkk

Puntlanders don't matter son

 

[waraabe]

We'll just wait for the next drought to wipe you guys out, the one you just went through hit you the hardest and wiped away 80% of your livestock.
Meanwhile we'll be sipping fresh mango juice on our side, which will benefit from global warming with increased rains.
IN other words, there's nothing that will make us accept SL.

Kkkk

Jebarti caqli

 

[Adam Isaaq]

I don't think you understand, that without a unified state we will be a forgotten people by 2100. if you think Ethiopia is going to sit on its ass and let their greatest threat unify jokes on you. you should read books on geopolitics, here's one 'prisoner of geography' by Tim Marshall. maybe you realize why Ethiopia or any country does what it does.

We live under a global system. Our region needs are of marginal significance. But at least this is useful. You think we are needed to check Ethiopia. What would be your opinion if this was not the case, if you check them without us?

We'll just wait for the next drought to wipe you guys out, the one you just went through hit you the hardest and wiped away 80% of your livestock.
Meanwhile we'll be sipping fresh mango juice on our side, which will benefit from global warming with increased rains.
IN other words, there's nothing that will make us accept SL.

We should never have had this drought. I work to some extent in agriculture and the West of the country is sat on water that can be tapped at high pressure. Why can you never accept it? What is it that you think you would lose?

 

[Von]

We live under a global system. Our region needs are of marginal significance. But at least this is useful. You think we are needed to check Ethiopia. What would be your opinion if this was not the case, if you check them without us?

we live in a global world? tell that to the Ukrainian people with its eastern boarders controlled by Russian backed fighters, you think the 'global world' cares about them?. its not about checking Ethiopia, they will always be a threat. The only way to protect the Somalis people is by unified nation, the south cant do it alone. i would sleep easy in long term with an Oromo and Afar state neighbors( with us controlling everything east of rift valley) and in the short term a superpower to protect our right to a state but that comes with costs.

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Give us awdal and the patriotic parts of Khaatoom and we can find a deal.

 

[Adam Isaaq]

we live in a global world? tell that to the Ukrainian people with its eastern boarders controlled by Russian backed fighters, you think the 'global world' cares about them?. its not about checking Ethiopia, they will always be a threat. The only way to protect the Somalis people is by unified nation, the south cant do it alone. i would sleep easy in long term with an Oromo and Afar state neighbors( with us controlling everything east of rift valley) and in the short term a superpower to protect our right to a state but that comes with costs.

I would say the Ukrainian example is a little different. Ukraine was a part of Russia, and was only made a state as a by-product of internal soviet politics in the '20s. I think the whole idea of a strong state is based on our territory is misguided. The thing that has always confused me is that we have all forms of capital there. Building materials, labour, land, coast. I think the geopolitical problem is secondary to the question of how we can be mobilized to connect the different, passive forms of wealth that exist. This is the biggest threat to any east-African competition. We are surrounded by a population explosion in all the great lake states which will also have a great effect on us. I am not the kind of lander who does not think we need incredibly strong, close ties with the south, but from my perspective it has always seemed that we are not ready in any kind of way for that on both sides. We need to answer the question of how to turn empty spaces into productive spaces, which is actually very simple and just requires basic organisation.

 

[Adam Isaaq]

Give us awdal and the patriotic parts of Khaatoom and we can find a deal.

At least this makes sense. If it's just about land then it's an easy problem to solve.

 

[TheAnswer]

We should never have had this drought. I work to some extent in agriculture and the West of the country is sat on water that can be tapped at high pressure. Why can you never accept it? What is it that you think you would lose?

I'll lose all my friends in Awal, and SSC. The only benefit is getting rid of annoying khat chewers, but why should I give them independence when I can marginalize them in my country? I have much to lose and little to gain by setting you free, which is why you will always remain my abeed ya ibnul khat chewer

 

[Menelik III]

we live in a global world? tell that to the Ukrainian people with its eastern boarders controlled by Russian backed fighters, you think the 'global world' cares about them?. its not about checking Ethiopia, they will always be a threat. The only way to protect the Somalis people is by unified nation, the south cant do it alone. i would sleep easy in long term with an Oromo and Afar state neighbors( with us controlling everything east of rift valley) and in the short term a superpower to protect our right to a state but that comes with costs.

Oromos live east of the Rift Valley and they lay claim to everything up to jigjiga. If oromos led Ethiopia they would annex the Somali region.