History of the Tutsi genocide

[James Dahl]

Houtu aren't "full Bantu" either though, that was my point.

 

[James Dahl]

A lot of these "differences" were invented by the Belgian colonial authorities for divide-and-rule.

 

[Apollo]

Houtu aren't "full Bantu" either though, that was my point.

Houtous are far more Niger-Congo/Bantu by blood than the Tutsi. Hence, why they look so different.

Some Tutsis cluster near the Samburu all the way in North Kenya.

Not a single Houtou can ever cluster like that.

A lot of these "differences" were invented by the Belgian colonial authorities for divide-and-rule.

Wrong.

These differences are based on racial/biological differences.

I have seen Tutsi Rwandans and Houtou Rwandans on 23andMe.

They are NOT the same.

 

[James Dahl]

I'm sure there are differences, but Tutsi are genetically closer to Houtu than Somali, or any other ethnic group for that matter.

 

[government]

Cos people were using it to insult Hawiye

Why call hawiyes hutus is it because they look bantu?

 

[Apollo]

I'm sure there are differences, but Tutsi are genetically closer to Houtu than Somali, or any other ethnic group for that matter.

Tutsis are autosomally in between Horners, Nilotes, and Bantus. Some Tutsis who are autosomally predominantly South Cushitic can be closer to Somalis overall than to their neighbour Houtous.

Royal/Upper-caste Tutsis are generally more Cushitic than lower-caste Tutsis.

 

[Apollo]

Why call hawiyes ****s is it because they look bantu?

The Somali civil war started around the same time as the Rwandan civil war and Houtous were the savages and Hawiyes were the aggressors in Mogadishu.

 

[James Dahl]

Tutsis have almost 0% Cushitic lineages

 

[Apollo]

Tutsis have almost 0% Cushitic lineages

You are misleading people.

Paternal haplogroups are prone to founder effects and can be extremely misleading when it comes to autosomal ancestry.

Chadic North Cameroonians are 95% R1b, but those folks are over 95% Sub-Saharan African.

Tutsi autosomal ancestry and maternal ancestry is significantly Cushitic. Especially South Cushitic. Tutsis come from Iraqw-like people who moved into the Rwandan highlands.

Tutsis have extremely large percentages of Neolithic Levantine ancestry. This is 100% from Cushites, no other way. Ancient DNA from Malawi has 0% of this component.

 

[James Dahl]

How am I misleading people? You are saying Tutsis are some lost tribe of Darood or something, I am pointing out how that is not true, I am not the one misleading people

 

[government]

The Somali civil war started around the same time as the Rwandan civil war and Houtous were the savages and Hawiyes were the aggressors in Mogadishu.

So hawiye=savage

 

[James Dahl]

If Tutsi were founded by South Cushites the Tutsi, especially aristocratic Tutsi, would have the same YDNA as Iraqw. They don't.

Autosomal cushitic without any Y lineages means they intermarried with South Cushitic women, which is the opposite of the proposed hypothesis.

 

[Apollo]

If Tutsi were founded by South Cushites the Tutsi, especially aristocratic Tutsi, would have the same YDNA as Iraqw. They don't.

Autosomal cushitic without any Y lineages means they intermarried with South Cushitic women, which is the opposite of the proposed hypothesis.

As I said before, their Y-Chromosome is Bantu, big deal: founder effects, bottlenecks etc.

Autosomally, they are not typically Bantu not even typical East Bantu. They are the most Cushitic admixed Bantu population. Even more so than the Kikuyu who have a lot of E1b1b1.

 

[Apollo]

If Tutsi were founded by South Cushites the Tutsi, especially aristocratic Tutsi, would have the same YDNA as Iraqw. They don't.

Autosomal cushitic without any Y lineages means they intermarried with South Cushitic women, which is the opposite of the proposed hypothesis.

Anuaks in Southwest Ethiopia are 90% E1b1a-M2 (the Bantu marker), due to a Luhya/Luo founder effect in their population.

Yet they cluster with Dinkas & Nuers and are autosomally +80% ancestral Nilotic.

Y-Chromosome profiles can be misleading.

 

[James Dahl]

That's a weird view man, Kikuyu are legit very closely related to Somali, and the big differences come from Nilote admixture not Bantu.

 

[Apollo]

That's a weird view man, Kikuyu are legit very closely related to Somali, and the big differences come from Nilote admixture not Bantu.

I found a full Tutsi on 23andMe with royal clan ties (elite Tutsi) and he almost clusters where Borana Kenyans cluster.

There's no way the Tutsi are typical Bantus.

Studies on them are being suppressed by the Rwandan and Burundi governments.

 

[James Dahl]

Kikuyu even use age sets like Oromo and Rendille

 

[government]

They chased my family out of Mogadishu, no joke.

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[Apollo]

Kikuyu even use age sets like Oromo and Rendille

After the Tutsi, probably the Kikuyu and/or Kamba are the most Cushitic Bantus.

Also, maybe some Bantu tribes that live around the Iraqw in the Ngorongoro area.

lol @ Ngorongoro

 

[Cam]

Yeah they have origin stories about their Cushite forefathers migrating from Abyssinia to the rift valley region.

Wouldn't be surprised honestly