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Valid points. And in such an event, where the husband wishes to move the family sans the wife being included, then disobey? Did I read that correctly? I am pursuing this line of thought, for I see many Muslim ladies struggle with it, and adopt a laissez-faire approach to Islamic teachings in picking some whilst opting out in others i.e. this applies to me, for I see the benefits, or this applies not to me, for it conveniences my lifestyle. And so forth. I observe such practices in places like Egypt, Kuwait, Maghrib etc.
That was the reason I wanted to qualify it by distinguishing major decisions from minor. Masha'Allah, you are terribly too sensible, if mature for a millennia.
i do not think @NomadicWarlord realises the word 'walaal' is neutral in that it applies to both lads and lasses.
Bruh I thought walaal only applies to the male gender
Walaal, it is for both, and is more common in up North, East, West, and Hawd.Bruh I thought walaal only applies to the male gender
What do you means βsansβ the wife? He canβt move without her Islamically without her permission. Donβt you mean moving together as a family?
There is a reason why people talk to each other prior to marriage and itβs to have conversations like that. I simply wouldnβt marry a man who thinks he can up and leave whenever and not take my views into account and women can easily put that in their marriage contracts. Similar to how I would never marry a man who think he can come home one day and abruptly try and get me to quit my job. Most women most definitely mention that they want to continue working and most men who marry working women agree to to their wives working and thatβs an agreement the couple have formed. Hence it isnβt as simple as oh I canβt follow xyz when it isnβt convenient, itβs literally impacting oneβs whole life and sometimes drastically so abs usually goes against core agreements couples have formed prior to marriage.
The thing is, even if your wife was to obey you, if you force her to live where she doesnβt want, away from her family and sheβs miserable, it will simply end in divorce. As a man, having hikma is important and honestly maybe leaving such a man is the only solution instead of continuing to disobey him. Islamically leaving a man due to feeling that one will sin with them is completely valid like the case of the wife of Thabit RA. That is what springing major decisions causes.
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mr.overeasy
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You do realize westernization leads to these ignorant takes right?
Yes, without including the wife in the 'major' decision making process. I could further elaborate it, but am pressed for time - could revisit.
Of course, before the marriage, it is the lady's prerogative to choose her suitor, agree to terms provided it is not reduced akin to a 'mut3ah', and hope terms are observed. In life though, as humans, that hardly ever comes to pass, as decision are arrived by way of the heart in relationships of the romantic type.
Could you imagine where the world would have been had husbands, say Innovators, Executives, Directors etc, weighed their decisions against wife's happiness?
This is more common now with 'modern' Muslims, hence the reason I raised the 'pick and choose' phenomenon, a very disconcerting trend.
Absolutely, reason I prefer using mature, responsible men of the 'kitab', and hopefully of 'hikma', for it is rare and not all men have it, as a measure to gauge social norms, and not the toerags flowing with the wind.
A woman needing a man to lead?, but my gender studies professor told me that women are strong and independent. Have I been lied to?What do you guys think about this?
I WANT A MAN TO LEAD ME!
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