Greatest European Countries of All Time

[Lord of Warshiekh]

yup remember Russia wooped the nazis too but Japan handled Russia like a piece of cake, honestly I think in WW2 if Japan didn't attack the US they could have done major damage going the other direction as they were far stronger than and European country, took the pacific, china, Korea, could have easily added India, Russia, then go after weak devastated Europe, going after the US was there big mistake although they were militarily formidable for the US, WW1 and 2 were pieces of cake for the US in Europe(came saw and conquered), however Japan was a challenge

The Japanese were scared after the battle of khalkin gol, russian siberia is impenetrable. Supply lines can never go through the region without time given. Also, even if they somehow got through, do you honestly believe japan would keep their overstretched empire? Unlike Britain, which had previously spent 200 years building its empire bit-by-bit, japan was on a rampage through east asia within 4 years, the war was obviously one of short term gain, no country can do such a thing with such medium sized population and resources

 

[Tukraq]

The Japanese were scared after the battle of khalkin gol, russian siberia is impenetrable. Supply lines can never go through the region without time given. Also, even if they somehow got through, do you honestly believe japan would keep their overstretched empire? Unlike Britain, which had previously spent 200 years building its empire bit-by-bit, japan was on a rampage through east asia within 4 years, the war was obviously one of short term gain, no country can do such a thing with such medium sized population and resources

With the way the took over China and Korea and the resources and man power yeah they probably could have if they picked the right battles

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

With the way the took over China and Korea and the resources and man power yeah they probably could have if they picked the right battles

China was split between warlords and was in a war itself. The Qing fell and the country was too divided for them to fight japan at once. They were already weakened by infighting.

Compare that with japan, a nation that was under rapid industrialisation and filled with pride after the first sino- japan war , the ruso japan war, and the Meiji restoration .They had a growing sense of imperialism and westernisation had reached them at the right place, at the right time. They had captured korea and taiwan in the first war, the second war was a piece of cake. In other words, china was underdeveloped.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

1-Italy
2-Greece
3-France
4-UK
5-Germany & Austria-Hungary
6-Portugal
7-Russia
8-Spain
9-Poland
10-Turkey

 

[Helios]

1-Italy
2-Greece
3-France
4-UK
5-Germany & Austria-Hungary
6-Portugal
7-Russia
8-Spain
9-Poland
10-Turkey

Greek Military achievement is highly lacking. 2 Outstanding naval battles and then Alexander taking out an inept Persian empire a few centuries later isnt that impressive. Poland also got wiped off the map multiple times and were impressive at their peak but no where near the Ottomans imo.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

Greek Military achievement is highly lacking. 2 Outstanding naval battles and then Alexander taking out an inept Persian empire a few centuries later isnt that impressive. Poland also got wiped off the map multiple times and were impressive at their peak but no where near the Ottomans imo.

You said including science and the arts. Have you forgotten that the greeks established the basis of western civilisation and government? They created democracy and contributed many fundamental principles in the sciences. Without greece, the romans would’ve ceased to exist making the rest of europe not existing too.

They contributed to the philosophical and literary world and their achievements surpass all other europeans if looking at the sciences. Granted, their military career wasn’t as good as the romans , but they immediately deserve a second spot for their underlying achievements that made Europe possible

 

[Helios]

You said including science and the arts. Have you forgotten that the greeks established the basis of western civilisation and government? They created democracy and contributed many fundamental principles in the sciences. Without greece, the romans would’ve ceased to exist making the rest of europe not existing too.

They contributed to the philosophical and literary world and their achievements surpass all other europeans if looking at the sciences. Granted, their military career wasn’t as good as the romans , but they immediately deserve a second spot for their underlying achievements that made Europe possible

The same reason I didnt rate Italy extremely high. The lack of continuity or continued success as a nation hurts the claim to greatness. What has Greece done in the last 1000 years? Most of the Greek accomplishments and philosophy were lost to history if not for the Muslims who preserved and translated many of the works. K thats a bit of a stretch saying no Europe without those 2 civilizations but yes they were crucial to modern European development.

 

[Helios]

We can accredit the Byzantine Empire to the Greeks if u want as well.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

We can accredit the Byzantine Empire to the Greeks if u want as well.

Yeah, the byzantines definitely

 

[Helios]

Italy and Greece individually dont make top 3 but combined there is an easy argument for 1st.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

The same reason I didnt rate Italy extremely high. The lack of continuity or continued success as a nation hurts the claim to greatness. What has Greece done in the last 1000 years? Most of the Greek accomplishments and philosophy were lost to history if not for the Muslims who preserved and translated many of the works. K thats a bit of a stretch saying no Europe without those 2 civilizations but yes they were crucial to modern European development.

Europe was not civilised before the advent of the greco-romans. Even if they didn’t exist. The europeans may have created small-scale civilisations but primitive and similar to that of the west africans. This can be proved by the fact that the romans established settlements al over their territories and absorbed local populations into their societies and military. They learnt from the romans and were responsible for its eventual destruction. The germanic Visigoths, franks , and ostrogoths adopted Christianity and split the empire between them. They basically stole the empire from the romans

 

[Helios]

Yes that is true. Europe would probably have been easy pickings for whoever felt boted amd wanted to expand out of the Middle East. Maybe The Shah fancies the entire mediterrean and goes for it

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

Italy and Greece individually dont make top 3 but combined there is an easy argument for 1st.

The reason why I picked them is due to their staggering achievements that every great scientist and nation (most of the world) are built on. I’m sorry but you cannot find any other great european empire NOT influenced by greece and rome. The script I’m writing in, 60% of english, the government of the country I live in, the country itself and its foundations; They are all roman in origin

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

Yes that is true. Europe would probably have been easy pickings for whoever felt boted amd wanted to expand out of the Middle East. Maybe The Shah fancies the entire mediterrean and goes for it

Lol, imagine such an empire. Stretching from iberia to Bactria.

 

[Helios]

Almost like we havent seen an empire from Iberia to Bactria.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

Almost like we havent seen an empire from Iberia to Bactria.

Ruled by Xerxes and without an enemy in sight. Europe would have been persian influenced

 

[Helios]

Ruled by Xerxes and without an enemy in sight. Europe would have been persian influenced

The Persians were more advanced than the Greeks were tbh its just Western circlejerking that gifts them this near divine genius

 

[Genesis]

The Greeks introduced democracy, philosophy, science, mathematics, medicine, theatres, architecture, the Hippocratic oath (still taken today) showers, heating, lighthouses, and Olympics while the rest of Europe was worshipping trees and licking fire

They produced the greatest conqueror of all time in Alexander the Great and were the successors to the Roman Empire through the Byzantines. They ruled from Macedon to India to Egypt in it's peak. The Romans adopted the Greek gods and Greek culture as well.

Heir to the Pharaoh's and father to the Romans, the true greats of Europe

 

[Gadhwayne]

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You guys missed out on a few Jewish/Muslim or non Indo European language speaking nations that ruled large chunks of Europe

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Read the free online Jewish Encyclopedia and Islamic litetature starting with Ibn Khalduun

 

[Octavian]

Historic Achievements (Science, Liberal Arts), Military Prowess, Peak Power are the categories I'm using

1. France
2. Germany
3. United Kingdom
3. Russia
4. Italy (No joke)
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