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Oppenheimer is a German Jewish last name so it technically counts, otherwise we have to scratch all of their advancements from everyone which is like 3 steps backwards for European science. Yes I am a first year double major History+Political Science
 

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Many important American inventors/scientists/world leaders were of Anglo origin. Kinda part of Britain's achievement (as diaspora Somali achievement could be claimed by Somalia).
There’s more Americans of German decadent then from Britain lol, and no America is a show of how weak Britain really was at its height defeated by farmers in war:drakelaugh::mjlol:
 

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Well then you have to claim German American advancements as well then.
Those are just American achievements, i will give you though that militarily Germany was the most formidable (sacked he romans, handled all of Europe in WW1 and 2 solo until America got involved and wrecked them)
 

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Britain had 1/4 of the world, and was the place where the industrial revolution began. Enough said.
Britain was ruled by romans/Scandinavians/the French/ an embarrassing defeat to America, bringing muskets on backwards populations in Africa and India isn’t an achievement as literally anyone with gun could have done it(see weak Belgium in the Congo), and its not like they came up with it Spain did it first in Africa/North America and South America/the islands and defiantly have a bigger affected population
 
Im counting the historic predecessors of the countries as well. "Germany wasn't shit"
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This is what Germany was and was the major reason the Ottomans didn't conquer past Vienna. That blob at one point was in union with Hapsburg Spain (Same German royal family) and cleaned up South America and destroyed Ottoman prospects in the Mediterranean. Germany in both World Wars was able to overpower multiple great powers simultaneously and only lost WWI because of the timely American intervention and arms supply/loans that propped up the British and French. They beat Russia so badly it triggered their looming civil war, and never lost an inch of its territory own territory on the Western Front. World War II was a repeat but this time the Russians were too much but the rest of Europe was conquered or forced off the continent, which is an achievement. Ill give a reason why France deserves #1 after you respond to this
Sorry but I usually gloss over history after eastern Roman fell mainly because how weak the rest of European looked compared to ottoman who were annexing land it took every white in west Europe to stop them in vien it took 200+ years to even get the Balkans back:kanyeshrug:
Pretending German fought Russians by themselves as if Russians weren't fight Austria Hungary two :ohhh:
Another thing why are we pretending the Russian were some all powerful they were given a black eye few years before ww1 started
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
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Firstly Austrians are Germans and were the ruling people of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Second Austria Hungary was incredibly inept and failed miserably in WWI look at the Brusilov Offensive and 4 Austrian armies were routed in succession. They were mostly relegated to ensuring the incompetent Italians couldn't invade them through the south which is also heavily guarded by Alpine mountains. Also Russia wasnt at it's peak at WWI but again the Russo Japanese war did little to materially damage Russia. Losing a Naval war with against a suprisingly modern and efficient fleet on the other side of the Globe was really a loss of prestige and not that important for the looming war. The problem with Russia is that the terrain makes it extremely difficult to invade combined with their insane manpower. This time in WWI they launched the offensive and were swiftly crushed at the Battle of Tannenberg and forced to be defensive until Brusilov in 1916.
 

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Sorry but I usually gloss over history after eastern Roman fell mainly because how weak the rest of European looked compared to ottoman who were annexing land it took every white in west Europe to stop them in vien it took 200+ years to even get the Balkans back:kanyeshrug:
Pretending German fought Russians by themselves as if Russians weren't fight Austria Hungary two :ohhh:
Another thing why are we pretending the Russian were some all powerful they were given a black eye few years before ww1 started
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Japanese_War
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yup remember Russia wooped the nazis too but Japan handled Russia like a piece of cake, honestly I think in WW2 if Japan didn't attack the US they could have done major damage going the other direction as they were far stronger than and European country, took the pacific, china, Korea, could have easily added India, Russia, then go after weak devastated Europe, going after the US was there big mistake although they were militarily formidable for the US, WW1 and 2 were pieces of cake for the US in Europe(came saw and conquered), however Japan was a challenge
 
yup remember Russia wooped the nazis too but Japan handled Russia like a piece of cake, honestly I think in WW2 if Japan didn't attack the US they could have done major damage going the other direction as they were far stronger than and European country, took the pacific, china, Korea, could have easily added India, Russia, then go after weak devastated Europe, going after the US was there big mistake although they were militarily formidable for the US, WW1 and 2 were pieces of cake for the US in Europe(came saw and conquered), however Japan was a challenge
The biggest mistake was German opening a second front if they kept attacking west Europe they probably would've won.
Japan had no choice they were getting provoked
Same as Germany
U.S. ships would be supplying there enemies infront of them eventually something was gonna happen:ohhh:
Another thing is like the western front Russian had 1.5 million troops moving to attack Japan before the surrender.
The feared Soviet image was born in stallingrad :ohhh:
 

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The biggest mistake was German opening a second front if they kept attacking west Europe they probably would've won.
Japan had no choice they were getting provoked
Same as Germany
U.S. ships would be supplying there enemies infront of them eventually something was gonna happen:ohhh:
Another thing is like the western front Russian had 1.5 million troops moving to attack Japan before the surrender.
The feared Soviet image was born in stallingrad :ohhh:
I don't think Russia would ever be a problem for Japan and by the way the US was supplying both sides in both wars, all they cared about was business literally no reason to attack a sleeping giant
 

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  1. Roman empire
  2. Ancient Greece
  3. Holy Roman Empire - Germans
  4. Netherlands
  5. The countless German kingdoms from Burgundy to the ancient Lombards in North Italy
  6. British Empire
  7. Spain
  8. Portugal
  9. Hanseatic league - mostly Germans
  10. Not France
 
I don't think Russia would ever be a problem for Japan and by the way the US was supplying both sides in both wars, all they cared about was business literally no reason to attack a sleeping giant
Watch this video
The were itching to bait Germany into attack but dump Japan fell for it bit:manny:
When Japan attacked Germany had no choice but to declare war America was instigating for a war long before the attack.
After stallingrad Russia was not giving zero fucks and was willing to send millions to grave nobody was fucking wit them:ummhmm:
Stallin would have civilians with light weapons rush open field in mg fire and shoot them in the back if they retreat Japan was not gonna stop him.:whoa:
 

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Watch this video
The were itching to bait Germany into attack but dump Japan fell for it bit:manny:
When Japan attacked Germany had no choice but to declare war America was instigating for a war long before the attack.
After stallingrad Russia was not giving zero fucks and was willing to send millions to grave nobody was fucking wit them:ummhmm:
Stallin would have civilians with light weapons rush open field in mg fire and shoot them in the back if they retreat Japan was not gonna stop him.:whoa:
sxb Japan aint pussy Europe, these guy were more cutthroat than Russia and more militarily advanced, they would go kamikaze on the russian capital and commit seppuku you act as if they're soldiers cared for life either, difference is Russian soldiers were running to there deaths in fear of gulags, when shit gets real they might prefer the gulags, Japanese were flying to their deaths for honor and thus wouldn't be taken off there course as easily
 
Watch this video
The were itching to bait Germany into attack but dump Japan fell for it bit:manny:
When Japan attacked Germany had no choice but to declare war America was instigating for a war long before the attack.
After stallingrad Russia was not giving zero fucks and was willing to send millions to grave nobody was fucking wit them:ummhmm:
Stallin would have civilians with light weapons rush open field in mg fire and shoot them in the back if they retreat Japan was not gonna stop him.:whoa:
Watch the Netflix series WW2 in color. The Russians are fucking crazy. Stalingrad is where the Germans lost the war. Funny thing is they didn’t even need to attack it but Hitler wanted the city because of its name.

Germany should be proud of themselves. Before they attacked the French, the French has a better army until the Germans introduced the art of blitzkrieg. Fought on 2 fronts and killed millions of Russians.
 

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sxb Japan aint pussy Europe, these guy were more cutthroat than Russia and more militarily advanced, they would go kamikaze on the russian capital and commit seppuku you act as if they're soldiers cared for life either, difference is Russian soldiers were running to there deaths in fear of gulags, when shit gets real they might prefer the gulags, Japanese were flying to their deaths for honor and thus wouldn't be taken off there course as easily
Japan woudnt get 500 miles into Russia without getting bogged down. These guys had pathetic armoured tanks and their army was on par with the Russians. Infrastructure in the Far Eastern regions of Russia is so bad that blowing up a few railroad lines would make it impossible for the Japanese to resupply. Extremely harsh conditions would make logisitics a nightmare for the Japanese and they wouldnt be able to do much taking a few insignificant eastern towns.
 

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Japan woudnt get 500 miles into Russia without getting bogged down. These guys had pathetic armoured tanks and their army was on par with the Russians. Infrastructure in the Far Eastern regions of Russia is so bad that blowing up a few railroad lines would make it impossible for the Japanese to resupply. Extremely harsh conditions would make logisitics a nightmare for the Japanese and they wouldnt be able to do much taking a few insignificant eastern towns.
Japan has a superior air force they didn’t need a ground invasion, like I said they would go kamikaze in Moscow
 

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Japan has a superior air force they didn’t need a ground invasion, like I said they would go kamikaze in Moscow

They forget how savage the Japanese can be, look at what they did to china and themselves. If they are provoked they are crazier than all africans and middle easterners combined.
 

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Japan has a superior air force they didn’t need a ground invasion, like I said they would go kamikaze in Moscow
Bombers don't have that kind of range. They would need to be extremely close to the Urals to attempt to bomb Moscow and thats literally on the border between European and Asian Russia.
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Bombers don't have that kind of range. They would need to be extremely close to the Urals to attempt to bomb Moscow and thats literally on the border between European and Asian Russia.
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These guys bombed Pearl Harbor they can easily do Moscow with bombers, they have good range just check how America did japan and Germany with bombers all the way from the US
 

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These guys bombed Pearl Harbor they can easily do Moscow with bombers, they have good range just check how America did japan and Germany with bombers all the way from the US
Japan had aircraft carriers posted up close to Oahu Hawaii. Red is IJN aircraft carriers, Blue is American assets on the Main Island, The highlighted rectangle is Pearl Harbor.
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Japan had aircraft carriers posted up close to Oahu Hawaii. Red is IJN aircraft carriers, Blue is American assets on the Main Island, The highlighted rectangle is Pearl Harbor.
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So they can have the same setup in Russia, obviously Russia had an inferior navy
 

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