First mention of "harari"

[Zak12]

Why bully or be cruel to hararis? If they want all of (west) haraghe they should have it back, they’re better neighbors than oromo or Amhara.

Somali nationalists like most nationalists tend to be xenophobic and ignorant towards other ethnic groups. Hararis are an utterly miskeen people and its a lie to claim they have nothing to do with medieval Harar anyways.

 

[Somali_patriotic]

Why bully or be cruel to hararis? If they want all of (west) haraghe they should have it back, they’re better neighbors than oromo or Amhara.

I just found this interesting and posted it brother, I don't hate hararis, i got no problem with any muslim populations.

Somali nationalists like most nationalists tend to be xenophobic and ignorant towards other ethnic groups. Hararis are an utterly miskeen people and its a lie to claim they have nothing to do with medieval Harar anyways.

I'm not saying they got nothing to do with harar.
They were a minority back then and now, if you check what's written in Wikipedia you'll get surprised.

 

[Aseer]

Hararis are like Latinos. Just a bunch of mixed Horners including Somalis. Sadly been killed to basically extinction by the savage Abyssinians.

The Adalites treated the Harari's well, didn't they? I mean of course they did because we were civilized people who had a coast and access to other civilizations, but those savage highlanders never had much access to civilization still though it's sad what happened to those folk though i my great grandfather studied there for a while. such a shame the heart of the Islamic world in the horn and reduced to dust by the savage Ethiopians.

 

[Burqad]

Somali nationalists like most nationalists tend to be xenophobic and ignorant towards other ethnic groups. Hararis are an utterly miskeen people and its a lie to claim they have nothing to do with medieval Harar anyways.

True Somali nationalists love hararis and aren’t toxic at all. Twitter troll 12 year olds who think they’re Somali Hitler are the toxic ones.

 

[Khaem]

The Adalites treated the Harari's well, didn't they? I mean of course they did because we were civilized people who had a coast and access to other civilizations, but those savage highlanders never had much access to civilization still though it's sad what happened to those folk though i my great grandfather studied there for a while. such a shame the heart of the Islamic world in the horn and reduced to dust by the savage Ethiopians.

At the time of Ahmad Gurey harark ethnicity didn't exist yet.
Harar was a diverse city of many ethnic groups including Somalis. A centre of Islamic civilization in the region. After Ahmad gurey lost his jihad and Adal was weakened leading to Galla incursions. A Somali Sultan of Harar built a wall to keep out the Oromo tribesmen and told everyone inside to abandoned their tribal affiliations. Eventually though centuries of mixing they all became one ethnic group called harari with genetic links all around the horn. For some reason the Semetic part of the language was stronger which is why it is not Cushitic however the Harari language has strong Somali influence.

 

[Burqad]

At the time of Ahmad Gurey harark ethnicity didn't exist yet.
Harar was a diverse city of many ethnic groups including Somalis. A centre of Islamic civilization in the region. After Ahmad gurey lost his jihad and Adal was weakened leading to Galla incursions. A Somali Sultan of Harar built a wall to keep out the Oromo tribesmen and told everyone inside to abandoned their tribal affiliations. Eventually though centuries of mixing they all became one ethnic group called harari with genetic links all around the horn. For some reason the Semetic part of the language was stronger which is why it is not Cushitic however the Harari language has strong Somali influence.

Neither did Somali. Somali was a term for nomadic people in general, the non-nomadic people were referred to by other terms, like Harla.

That’s because Somali isn’t an ethnicity until recently, but a caste that eventually ended up applying to all speakers of Maay and Maxaa, like how the ethnic label “Turk” would not be used frequently in the Ottoman Empire, in the occasions when it was used, it would often be in a rather pejorative manner. It would refer to Turcoman nomads or in later periods to Anatolian Turkish-speaking peasants who were considered ignorant.

Somali was the same, reer magaal were not called Somali until recently.

 

[Westcentral99]

Neither did Somali. Somali was a term for nomadic people in general, the non-nomadic people were referred to by other terms, like Harla.

That’s because Somali isn’t an ethnicity until recently, but a caste that eventually ended up applying to all speakers of Maay and Maxaa, like how the ethnic label “Turk” would not be used frequently in the Ottoman Empire, in the occasions when it was used, it would often be in a rather pejorative manner. It would refer to Turcoman nomads or in later periods to Anatolian Turkish-speaking peasants who were considered ignorant.

Somali was the same, reer magaal were not called Somali until recently.

Harla are a somali sub clan

 

[Aseer]

At the time of Ahmad Gurey harark ethnicity didn't exist yet.
Harar was a diverse city of many ethnic groups including Somalis. A centre of Islamic civilization in the region. After Ahmad gurey lost his jihad and Adal was weakened leading to Galla incursions. A Somali Sultan of Harar built a wall to keep out the Oromo tribesmen and told everyone inside to abandoned their tribal affiliations. Eventually though centuries of mixing they all became one ethnic group called harari with genetic links all around the horn. For some reason the Semetic part of the language was stronger which is why it is not Cushitic however the Harari language has strong Somali influence.

Feels like attack on titan lore last piece of civilization in the highlands (Harari's) vs uncivilized monkeys (Habash) btw khaemwaset i always see you talking about a united Cushite horn and stuff did those views change or no?

 

[Burqad]

Harla are a somali sub clan

Harla was the term used for the farming/urban population of the north, they were kinda like RW. Again ethnicity wasn’t solid in this period so Somali speaking farmers and Argobbas were both called Harla.

btw the Somali peninsula was majority urban until after the Adalite wars.

nomadic dominance happened because of a dark age, so calling them somalis even though they spoke a language that Somali is descended from wouldn’t be right,

Somalis (as in nomads) were marginal and only grew because of the cities being destroyed and their inhabitants joining them, and the land becoming less green.

see

Ruined towns in Nugaal: a forgotten medieval civilisation in interior Somalia​

S. M-Shidad Hussein

 

[Aseer]

Harla was the term used for the farming/urban population of the north, they were kinda like RW. Again ethnicity wasn’t solid in this period so Somali speaking farmers and Argobbas were both called Harla.

btw the Somali peninsula was majority urban until after the Adalite wars.

nomadic dominance happened because of a dark age, so calling them somalis even though they spoke a language that Somali is descended from wouldn’t be right,

Somalis (as in nomads) were marginal and only grew because of the cities being destroyed and their inhabitants joining them, and the land becoming less green.

Reminds me of roman Europe and how after Rome falled the people went back to their primitive ways.

 

[Westcentral99]

Harla was the term used for the farming/urban population of the north, they were kinda like RW. Again ethnicity wasn’t solid in this period so Somali speaking farmers and Argobbas were both called Harla.

btw the Somali peninsula was majority urban until after the Adalite wars.

nomadic dominance happened because of a dark age, so calling them somalis even though they spoke a language that Somali is descended from wouldn’t be right,

Somalis (as in nomads) were marginal and only grew because of the cities being destroyed and their inhabitants joining them, and the land becoming less green.

see

Ruined towns in Nugaal: a forgotten medieval civilisation in interior Somalia​

S. M-Shidad Hussein

Harla are somali your just waffling rn. Plus the 5th century your talking about isn’t actually Harla, there’s no confirmation to suggest that those people were harla the site was just named Harla. Plus Harla claim somali & claim descent from Koombe which is the father of Geri & Harti. A French team confirmed this by going to a Harla family In Djibouti where they showed manuscripts showing their lineage to being Koombe

 

[Zak12]

Harla was the term used for the farming/urban population of the north, they were kinda like RW. Again ethnicity wasn’t solid in this period so Somali speaking farmers and Argobbas were both called Harla.

btw the Somali peninsula was majority urban until after the Adalite wars.

nomadic dominance happened because of a dark age, so calling them somalis even though they spoke a language that Somali is descended from wouldn’t be right,

Somalis (as in nomads) were marginal and only grew because of the cities being destroyed and their inhabitants joining them, and the land becoming less green.

see

Ruined towns in Nugaal: a forgotten medieval civilisation in interior Somalia​

S. M-Shidad Hussein

"Arab" also mean nomad and desert and the majority of Arabs back then were nomadic. Does that mean urbanite Arabs shouldn't be considered Arab too?

 

[Khaem]

"Arab" also mean nomad and desert and the majority of Arabs back then were nomadic. Does that mean urbanite Arabs shouldn't be considered Arab too?

Facts most people in the world had different names but over time became one identity. You'd be hard pressed to go to England and have people call themselves English some 800 years ago. They'd call themselves saxon or wessex ect. Same with the french calling themselves Occtian or Norman ect.

We are the same.

 

[Yami]

Harla are somali your just waffling rn. Plus the 5th century your talking about isn’t actually Harla, there’s no confirmation to suggest that those people were harla the site was just named Harla. Plus Harla claim somali & claim descent from Koombe which is the father of Geri & Harti. A French team confirmed this by going to a Harla family In Djibouti where they showed manuscripts showing their lineage to being KoombeView attachment 303996

You know raxanweyn weren’t calling themselves somalis until colonization too? @Burqad isn’t claiming they weren’t what we’d call Somalis now, there just wasn’t a Somali identity for urban and settled populations at that time that Harla’s dominated the scene.

 

[Burqad]

You know raxanweyn weren’t calling themselves somalis until colonization too? @Burqad isn’t claiming they weren’t what we’d call Somalis now, there just wasn’t a Somali identity for urban and settled populations at that time that Harla’s dominated the scene.

my family are reer magaal from bari and my great-grandfather (AUN) said he was confused about why he was being called somali when he first heard of it, “ari ama geel waligeey maa daqiin”

 

[Cartan Boos]

What do you want from these poor people, who Melek killed half of their people in several days
Harar is not a race, but a group of races. They are the people who lived within the walls of Harar to protect against the Nomads around them.

Nomads around them kulaha, it was bc of Somalis these tiny people weren't killed off, when they disobeyed our orders is when they sealed their fate

 

[Cartan Boos]

Why bully or be cruel to hararis? If they want all of (west) haraghe they should have it back, they’re better neighbors than oromo or Amhara.

Hararge is ours, we will let them live with us and protect them but those lands are ours

 

[Westcentral99]

You know raxanweyn weren’t calling themselves somalis until colonization too? @Burqad isn’t claiming they weren’t what we’d call Somalis now, there just wasn’t a Somali identity for urban and settled populations at that time that Harla’s dominated the scene.

Somali identity not existing back then has nothing to do with Harla not being Somali. Your strawmaning hard. Your boy was claiming that Harla were not somali. With that logic of yours that means that I’m Darood first since their was no Somali identity during the 12th century.
Harla never dominated anywhere, can you prove to me that 5th century site your talking about is actually Harla, Can you confirm that for me ?

 

[Burqad]

Somali identity not existing back then has nothing to do with Harla not being Somali. Your strawmaning hard. Your boy was claiming that Harla were not somali. With that logic of yours that means that I’m Darood first since their was no Somali identity during the 12th century.
Harla never dominated anywhere, can you prove to me that 5th century site your talking about is actually Harla, Can you confirm that for me ?

Harla mostly spoke Somali and would be considered Somali today, but technically only geeljires and stuff were considered Somali back then. That’s why the Futuh separates Harla and Somali.

 

[GALAN]

the Harari have always been a minority, and recently came from the Middle East according to Oromo hararghe oral traditions. they have been keeping them safe and fighting for them just as they did when the Egyptians attempted to colonise Harar. in Hararghe if someone kills a Adare since they area so small the oromo make them pay double the mag they were supposed to pay.

However know on sites like wikipedia the Harari are claiming uptill Hargeisa, and Jijiga let alone reclaiming Harar which they never had.

Why bully or be cruel to hararis? If they want all of (west) haraghe they should have it back, they’re better neighbors than oromo or Amhara.

also you claimed west hararghe was Harari land but it was never west hararghe has been inhabited by Oromos since the time of the Harla, only recently did the Argobba who the Harari claim on wikipedia came.

You would be surprised these Harari claim uptill Mogadishu and claim the Reer Hamer are Harari.