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Fiancé Asks Reddit If She Should Reveal How Much Money She Makes to Her Future Husband

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Nowhere in the agreement does it say that she has to reveal how much money she really has, though. They simply agreed on who pays what. Although I kind of understand both sides.
Ion got full context since the post is taken down but how are u gonna agree on who pays what when you don’t know each others income. Looks like she’d rather pay 50/50 or sum shit vs adjusting the costs based on income.
 
@AbdiFreedom

Look at this story of a Somali couple:

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This is a common phenomenon.

This is the reply:

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This is exactly why women hesitate to tell men about their money. The switch up is real.

But the bigger issue is that it seems a lot of Muslim men are angry that they are supposed to provide for their family. And so if they can find any way to get out of their obligations they will.

Sorry but as a man if you have an issue with your responsibility as a husband take that up with Allah swt. Don’t take it out on women.
 
The other thing is someone making only $25K in her teaching career (clearly couldn't make it as a public school teacher with its already low standards for its teachers) wouldnt have any caqli in the first place.
Abdifreedom, the question didn’t say $25k but 25k hence it could be pounds and if you knew anything about our gaajo island you’d know that teachers make that amount in the first few yrs. Heck even junior doctors make 27k. So it’s a non point for you. I believe she’s from the UK as the agony aunt is a Brit mostly popular with Brit Somalis.
Hurtful but true. You can't expect her to understand the importance of generational wealth and lifting up the family unit. It's clear she will spend the money on Starbucks or materialism that satisfies her. She had no plan to put it as a home downpayment.
You’ve not read her concerns which shows your becoming a tad biased or misogynistic against women. The girl clearly wants to invest in the money for her kids. It’s only a
Meager 100k, whilst it’s her husband who wants her to dip into her savings as now he wants her to go fully 50/50 despite the fact that he makes double. He know wants her to pay up more since he has found out about her investment. It’s the husband who doesn’t care about generational wealth and wants to deplete his wife even though she already chips in whilst earning a meager 25k whilst he earns double what she makes.

Abdifreedom, you accuse me of bad takes, but you’ve shown me that your takes cannot be trusted as you’ll always attack the woman first and not even bother to read. You’ve shown your bias.
 
This is exactly why women hesitate to tell men about their money. The switch up is real.

But the bigger issue is that it seems a lot of Muslim men are angry that they are expected to provide for their family. And so if they can find any way to get out of their obligations they will.

Sorry but if you have an issue with your responsibility as a husband take that up with Allah swt. Don’t take it out on women.
It’s evident from the replies by the guys on the forum that they resent providing. I’m in total agreement with them that hiding such a thing would hurt most men as they would feel that their spouse could be hiding more and a general lack of trust, however when we live in a current world in which men believe that you should chip in and if you have a bit more than them that them you should basically provide for them now, is it wise to tell them? The thing is when it comes to a large % of modern men, keeping it a secret will ruin the marriage but so would telling them. As a woman there is no winning as many men are entitled.
 

attash

Amaan Duule
Lol, you’re a perfect case study as to why women shouldn’t reveal.
He's kinda right though. If she manages the money wisely, both of them would be more than set for life. Why should either of them work after that? Yes, it is his Islamic obligation to provide, but in their specific case provisions aren't needed. Imagine if I ate at a restaurant, then came back home and asked my wife to cook for me. In this case, she would be Islamically obligated to cook, but is it really fair for me to ask her? I don't need any food, just as the woman doesn't need any money.
 
He's kinda right though. If she manages the money wisely, both of them would be more than set for life. Why should either of them work after that? Yes, it is his Islamic obligation to provide, but in their specific case provisions aren't needed. Imagine if I ate at a restaurant, then came back home and asked my wife to cook for me. In this case, she would be Islamically obligated to cook, but is it really fair for me to ask her? I don't need any food, just as the woman doesn't need any money.
2million isn’t actually a lot and you’d need a invest a good amount to make sure that your kids inherit a lot of money. I wouldn’t quit working if had 2million as I’d invest in starting a business and continue working from there. Remember a house in London for a family is 800k to a 1.5 million. Like I said in this economy 2 million really isn’t a lot.

Also, Islamically according to all the major madhabs apart from Salafis women aren’t obliged to cook and clean. In fact Shafi which is what most Somalis are the most lenient in this regards and believe a husband can’t oblige her or compel her when it comes to cooking and cleaning. The marriage contract is based on intimacy and obedience and provision for the woman. Also, if you don’t provide for her wife you forfeit obedience as well.
 

AbrahamFreedom

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Abdifreedom, the question didn’t say $25k but 25k hence it could be pounds and if you knew anything about our gaajo island you’d know that teachers make that amount in the first few yrs. Heck even junior doctors make 27k. So it’s a non point for you. I believe she’s from the UK as the agony aunt is a Brit mostly popular with Brit Somalis.

You’ve not read her concerns which shows your becoming a tad biased or misogynistic against women. The girl clearly wants to invest in the money for her kids. It’s only a
Meager 100k, whilst it’s her husband who wants her to dip into her savings as now he wants her to go fully 50/50 despite the fact that he makes double. He know wants her to pay up more since he has found out about her investment. It’s the husband who doesn’t care about generational wealth and wants to deplete his wife even though she already chips in whilst earning a meager 25k whilst he earns double what she makes.

Abdifreedom, you accuse me of bad takes, but you’ve shown me that your takes cannot be trusted as you’ll always attack the woman first and not even bother to read. You’ve shown your bias.

The average UK salary is 27K pounds. He's making 50K. If you're making double the average income, and your wife is making the average income, then there's no reason for him to be upset. It doesn't sound like they are in the UK at all. She's not saving for her children. She would have put that in home equity for her kids' future for a much bigger return, not sitting in a low interest savings account losing value from inflation for the next 2 decades. I see low financial competence which is the standard for low income people. She will spend the money on useless things like her 10th designer purse. Shes a very useless spouse who won't lift her family up.
 

A Mean Guy

Minister of Ajanabi Affairs
2million isn’t actually a lot and you’d need a invest a good amount to make sure that your kids inherit a lot of money.
2Million is a lot and enough to retire. What are you on about? Putting all the money into a non managed index fund returns about 7% - 11% which is essentially $140,000 - $200,000. This is money you get without working and you don't spend on management fees too.
I wouldn’t quit working if had 2million as I’d invest in starting a business and continue working from there. Remember a house in London for a family is 800k to a 1.5 million. Like I said in this economy 2 million really isn’t a lot.
I would not want to stop working too until I make $1m passively. But ur point, "Like I said in this economy 2 million really isn’t a lot." is totally wrong.
Also, if you don’t provide for her wife you forfeit obedience as well.
I am not doubting you here but I don't think that is the case.
If you are not getting your rights fulfilled i.e., provided for, that does not give you a chance to stop doing ur duties. Imagine a man stopped providing because his wife refused intimacy.
I remember a video of a man asking a sheikh if he can stop providing for his wife becuase she is disobedient. The sheikh did not hold back against him and told him that he will be accountable for his actions.

Do you have any evidence to support your case? Because I have heard that before but have not encountered any hadiths or sunnah to support it.
 
@AbdiFreedom watch how these women change their stance about ,"hiding" important information like this from their spouses, when its about marrying a second wife . :russ:

modern muslim women are only traditionalists when its about mehr & provision .
 
The average UK salary is 27K pounds. He's making 50K. If you're making double the average income, and your wife is making the average income, then there's no reason for him to be upset. It doesn't sound like they are in the UK at all.
I do believe they’re in the UK since the blog is UK based and I can’t imagine a teacher in America making such a tiny amount. She also says they’re doing well which by UK standards 50k is a lot and 24k is normal for teachers.
She's not saving for her children. She would have put that in home equity for her kids' future for a much bigger return, not sitting in a low interest savings account losing value from inflation for the next 2 decades.
The question didn’t specify what she is and isn’t doing. For all you know she could be. She’s made it clear that she’s saving the money and how she’s doing it, you don’t know so your point is moot.
I see low financial competence which is the standard for low income people. She will spend the money on useless things like her 10th designer purse. Shes a very useless spouse who won't lift her family up.
You have no idea. The question literally said she wants to save for her kids. What are you basing it on? That she’s a Somali woman? How can you interpret and analyze this when she’s point blank said that she wants to save the money and you have no context to go off by? Where does it say she’s a spendthrift, where does it say that they have financial problems? Nothing says that. In fact she got her original money through her own investments which shows she has a good head on her shoulders. So why would you create a whole story on absolutely no context?!

Abdifreedom you’re coming across as a troll and a woman hating one at that.
 
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@AbdiFreedom watch how these women change their stance about ,"hiding" important information like this from their spouses, when its about marrying a second wife . :russ:

modern muslim women are only traditionalists when its about mehr & provision .
Lol, I was about to bring that up. All our lives we are told as Muslim women husbands can marry without our permission so what now? If we argue against that we will have dozens of Sheikhs on our necks. Also, a man hiding kids is 10x times worse as the kids will have siblings they won’t know about which will mess up inheritance disputes by a lot of as children inherit the lion’s share! Also, don’t get me started on potiental STIs since many sexual transmitted diseases can happen without someone committing Zina. How is a wife meant to protect herself and get him to get tested ect if she is none the wiser that’s she’s sharing a sexual partner?! Really shows the level of entitlement men have in which they’ll compare secret second wives to a secret bank account they’re not meant to have anything to do with Islamically anyways?

to top it off, why do you expect women to share their wealth when Islamically you can come home and divorce her on the spot talaq talaq talaq and kick her out of the home since we Muslim women aren’t eligible for any spousal support beyond 3 months. Hence a woman can be living in her husband’s home, contributing money to it through buying furniture here and there, cooking and Cleaning and upkeep ect and even if such as woman was to do that for 30 yrs she’s eligible for nothing!

A woman who understands traditional Islam will in fact feel more obliged to hide some of her money as the myth about husbands money also be yours is not true at all!

Read and learn.
 
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2Million is a lot and enough to retire. What are you on about? Putting all the money into a non managed index fund returns about 7% - 11% which is essentially $140,000 - $200,000. This is money you get without working and you don't spend on management fees too.
True. People underestimate the power of investing and compound interest. At round 7% you will double that money in 10 years. That's 200k per year passively. If you continue working and saving the pot will get even bigger.
 
2Million is a lot and enough to retire. What are you on about? Putting all the money into a non managed index fund returns about 7% - 11% which is essentially $140,000 - $200,000. This is money you get without working and you don't spend on management fees too.

I would not want to stop working too until I make $1m passively. But ur point, "Like I said in this economy 2 million really isn’t a lot." is totally wrong.

I am not doubting you here but I don't think that is the case.
If you are not getting your rights fulfilled i.e., provided for, that does not give you a chance to stop doing ur duties. Imagine a man stopped providing because his wife refused intimacy.
I remember a video of a man asking a sheikh if he can stop providing for his wife becuase she is disobedient. The sheikh did not hold back against him and told him that he will be accountable for his actions.

Do you have any evidence to support your case? Because I have heard that before but have not encountered any hadiths or sunnah to support it.
Hey, it doesn’t make logical sense for a woman to continue obeying her husband if he refuses to provide. The reason why women obey is because the husband is the leader as he looks after the home. That is where obedience stems from.

Anyways here it is:


If she chooses to put up with him, in the hope that he will change, if he is withholding her maintenance out of miserliness and stinginess, or until his financial situation improves, if he is not well off, then she is not obliged to allow him to be intimate with her.

Ash-Shirazi ash-Shaafi‘i said in al-Muhadhdhab fi Fiqh al-Imam ash-Shaafi‘i (3/155):

If she chooses to stay after he becomes unable to spend on her, she is not obliged to allow him to be intimate with her, and she may leave his house, because allowing intimacy is in return for maintenance, so it is not obligatory when there is no maintenance. End quote.

If it is proven that the husband is no longer able to spend on her, she has the choice of three options: she may annul the marriage; she may stay with him and allow him to be intimate with her, and it is her right that she should spend on her whatever he is able to spend; or she may remain married to him, without having to allow him to be intimate with her – rather she may leave his house, because allowing intimacy is only obligatory upon her.


The wife can even leave the house if he doesn’t provide and her financial standing has nothing to do with it.

As for the scholar shouting at the man who says he doesn’t want to provide as his wife is disobedient. That’s a hard one. How does on measure obedience? Can the husband Islamically wake up the wife at 3am and force her to cook a three course meal and then say she’s not obedient and then cut her off? Obedience can be hard to measure as it can often depend on the husbands reasonableness so saying that one can be cut off for that can be a tad dangerous. Also, men have been given a way out of marriages in which the wife refused intimacy and obedience: talaq. It’s in the hands of a man and not a woman. Within a second, you get rid of a disobedient wife. Women do not have that power. So yes, technically you can stop providing for a disobedient woman and you can do it in a second! Talaq Talaq Talaq!

As for money it’s tangible and can be measured but even then, if he can’t afford it and he’s trying than punishing the poor fella when you have money in the bank is just immoral.
 
Men and women aren’t the same. It’s different for a man as he has to provide a woman based on what he can afford. Why would you then use the same rulings for women when women are the ones that need to be provided for? One gender has to provide based on what he can provide and one gender doesn’t have to provide a penny. Not the same are they?
I know that men and women aren't the same. Anyways that's not the rule islamically you can technically withhold for example if a guy has multiple incomes and he only tells his wife about one and provides from that one source of income there would islamically be nothing wrong with that from a providing standpoint aslong as he can uphold what she's used to and rich guys already do that when they with hold info like this when they marry poorer women. I don't have an issue with the money it's the hiding and trust that is the problem aswell as non traditional people picking and choicing when and how they want to be trad when it suitable for them. If an individual is already in a 50/50 relationship then that women is not being provided for in the first place.
As for generational wealth, the best way to get that is by investing and buying property. I don’t see why the husband needs to get his piece of the pie unless the wife is kind enough to share but even then the kids will get the lions inheritance and they’d get more if the wife invests her money
It's team work tho you can't do anything together if one is out of the loop. That's gen wealth on your own. I'm not really talking about the husband getting any money I'm only arguing that he needs to be aware of it.
I’m suspicious of men who seem to think they have a right over women’s money and in this day and age I can see why I women would want to hide it. Look at the replies, the men here seem to think that the wife’s money means they can slack off and get their piece of the pie. Look at your first part of the paragraph? You think that a woman has to contribute just as much it seems
No I'm just using the logic non traditional people already use. If you have choosen to contribute and split stuff then you can't exactly hide this sort of information and since there non traditional using Islamic arguments are basically out of the window because if he gets that sort of raise it leads to her being able to slack off and visversa. They both owe each other in that context.

I think that yes women in 50/50 relationship do have to contribute just as much but i dont believe in 50/50 relationship so personally that's not my thing. Neither would I feel that I'm owed anything from a woman money wise.

You can’t predict how people will react. If you’re using the trust argument, then why are pre-nups okay? Does the person making their partner sign a prenup believe they’ll take half of their money?
whatever happens happens you can't predict the future so no point going through it selfishly and making everything about yourself. Relationships are about being partners its not a solo affair. If you can't trust a man don't get married or marry someone in your socio-economic bracket if that's what you would consider safer.

Plus you have autonomy just get a divorce if things go left if you get a bad reaction.

Prenup are based on post divorce and how people feel about each other in a relationship after are very different. you no longer have any loyalties to each other and well Islamically neither of you have a right to each others money post divorce so its not even about trust its about preventing anything if a divorce ever happens because people pick and choose when they wanna follow islamic laws and when they don't. Plus that's basically only a thing in a few western states. You don't need a prenup living in the UAE because you can't use the justice system there to go behind your partners back.

Plus it's upfront so you can back out of it based on how you feel about it when its presented to you. this is about hiding stuff where you aren't even given the decency to back out. It's like someone telling you they did zina and they you choose to marry them after the fact compared to someone who hides it.
 
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AbrahamFreedom

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I do believe they’re in the UK since the blog is UK based and I can’t imagine a teacher in America making such a tiny amount.

The question didn’t specify what she isn’t and isn’t doing. For all you know she could be. She’s made it clear that she’s saving the money and how she’s doing it, you don’t know so your point is moot.

You have no idea. The question literally said she wants to save for her kids. What are you basing it on? That she’s a Somali woman? How can you interpret and analyze this when she’s point blank said that she wants to save the money and you have no context to go off by? Where does it say she’s a spendthrift, where does it say that they have financial problems? Nothing says that. In fact she got her original money through her own investments which shows she has a good head on her shoulders.

Abdifreedom you’re coming across as a troll and a woman hating one at that.

Blogs can be based anywhere and anyone everywhere will comment on them. Plenty of teachers make $25K a year. They usually teach in private nonprofits/religious private schools. Also, if they are in the UK, they are making considerably higher than the median household income (like double). His feelings suggest they are not in the UK.

Her abo/hooyo told her to invest. It happens to all of us. I can't take you serious calling me anti-women or a troll when I have been championing Somali women since 2014 (almost 10 years). We both know the money is for herself and she added that it's for her children to seem like the good person. She even asks if what she's doing is wrong (which suggests the money isn't for her kids but her indulgence). Maybe you should reply to her post and ask her if she would be open to putting it as a downpayment if she's really interested in setting her children up. The answer will be no.

@Angelina, your very common way of thinking is why the Somali diaspora is in shambles. Day after day, people constantly spreading views that contribute to destroying the family unit and keeping their community poor.
 
She didn’t know this prior to her getting 6 figures back from her investment. He was a normal husband. My point is, even after years of marrying, you’ll never know. The man wasn’t a bad man before this at all so that’s a cop out argument.
nope, your wrong, you can't always use these excuses, she thought he was a normal man, she probs didn't vet him hard enough, just another women marrying a man thinking everything will be normal, and bam she got money and his true character came out.
now if she actually got to know the man properly before marriage this wouldnt have happened
you guys really like to blame everything on the other person after marriage as if its impossible to find out who a man is before your married to him
take some self accountability
 
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