It's better to have faith than no faith, I say that as a gaal, faith is good for the soul 
Ex muslim somalis,you are wonderful - from your muslim somali sister
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First, you told us you "dated" men "with the intention of marriage".
Now, you threw bombshell.
Give it time and you'll expose yourself. The more you talk, the more you reveal more about yourself.
CALMONE20###
Roots in Somaliland + Somali Region ✝️
I dated a man with the intention of marriage, correct. What's wrong with me not hating ex muslims? Are you insinuating that I am now a kafir just because I have sympathy for ex muslims?First, you told us you "dated" men "with the intention of marriage".
Now, you threw bombshell.
Give it time and you'll expose yourself. The more you talk, the more you reveal more about yourself.
Ex-Muslims are porentially qawma-luuds. As long as they don't go back home, they can die in the West and we don't care.
The more you talk, the more you reveal yourself. What kind of a Muslim creates a thread, promoting gaalnimo while claiming to be a Muslim. You're a lost soul.
CALMONE20###
Roots in Somaliland + Somali Region ✝️
So I'm a lost soul for not hating ex muslims? Got it
I am sure that this is well-meaning but this goes against al-wala wal-bara.
He replied: what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’) is loving the believers and taking them as allies and friends, and hating the disbelievers, regarding them as enemies and disavowing them and their religion. This is what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’), as Allah, may He be glorified, says in Soorat al-Mumtahinah (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
Hating them and regarding them as enemies does not mean that you should mistreat them or transgress against them if they are not in a state of war with the Muslims. Rather what it means is hating them in your heart and regarding them as enemies in your heart, and not taking them as friends. But you should not offend them, harm them or mistreat them. If they greet you, then return their greeting, advise them sincerely and direct them to do good, as Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them”
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:46].
The People of the Scripture are the Jews and Christians, and other disbelievers who have been granted security, or have a peace treaty with the Muslims, or are living under Muslim rule. But whoever among them commits injustice is to be punished for his injustice and wrongdoing, otherwise what is prescribed for the believer is to argue with them in the way that is best, with both the Muslims and the disbelievers, whilst hating them for the sake of Allah, because of the verse quoted above.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa Ibn Baaz (5/246).
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: What is loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’)?
Answer: Disavowal and loyalty for the sake of Allah, may He be glorified, means that a person disavows everything that Allah disavowed, as He, may He be glorified and exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
This is applicable with polytheists who associate others with Allah, as He, may He be exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger”
[at-Tawbah 9:3].
So every believer must disavow every polytheist and disbeliever. This is with regard to people.
Similarly, the Muslim must disavow every deed that is not pleasing to Allah and His Messenger, even if it does not constitute disbelief, such as evildoing and sin, as Allah (may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“but Allah has endeared to you the faith and has made it pleasing in your hearts and has made hateful to you disbelief, defiance and disobedience. Those are the [rightly] guided”
[al-Hujuraat 49:7].
End quote from Fataawa Arkaan al-Islam, p. 183.
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (may Allah preserve him) said in Sharh Nawaqid al-Islam (p. 158): The Shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him) referred to one type of becoming allies with the disbelievers, which is supporting them, otherwise taking them as allies includes loving them in one’s heart, supporting them against the Muslims, praising them and so on, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded the Muslims to regard the disbelievers as enemies, hate them and disavow them. This is what is called, in Islam, loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’). End quote.
also from same link:
Ahmad (22132) narrated from Mu‘adh that he asked the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) about the best of faith, and he said: “The best of faith is to love for the sake of Allah and hate for the sake of Allah, and to keep your tongue busy in mentioning Him.” Shu‘ayb al-Arna’oot said: It is saheeh because of corroborating evidence.
At-Tabaraani narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The strongest bond of faith is taking believers as allies and friends for the sake of Allah and to regard disbelievers as enemies for the sake of Allah, to love for the sake of Allah and hate for the sake of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘ as-Sagheer, no. 2539.
The concept of loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’)
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Please could you explain the concept of loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’): to whom does it apply and is it permissible to take the disbelievers as allies and friends?He replied: what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’) is loving the believers and taking them as allies and friends, and hating the disbelievers, regarding them as enemies and disavowing them and their religion. This is what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’), as Allah, may He be glorified, says in Soorat al-Mumtahinah (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
Hating them and regarding them as enemies does not mean that you should mistreat them or transgress against them if they are not in a state of war with the Muslims. Rather what it means is hating them in your heart and regarding them as enemies in your heart, and not taking them as friends. But you should not offend them, harm them or mistreat them. If they greet you, then return their greeting, advise them sincerely and direct them to do good, as Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them”
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:46].
The People of the Scripture are the Jews and Christians, and other disbelievers who have been granted security, or have a peace treaty with the Muslims, or are living under Muslim rule. But whoever among them commits injustice is to be punished for his injustice and wrongdoing, otherwise what is prescribed for the believer is to argue with them in the way that is best, with both the Muslims and the disbelievers, whilst hating them for the sake of Allah, because of the verse quoted above.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa Ibn Baaz (5/246).
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: What is loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’)?
Answer: Disavowal and loyalty for the sake of Allah, may He be glorified, means that a person disavows everything that Allah disavowed, as He, may He be glorified and exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
This is applicable with polytheists who associate others with Allah, as He, may He be exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger”
[at-Tawbah 9:3].
So every believer must disavow every polytheist and disbeliever. This is with regard to people.
Similarly, the Muslim must disavow every deed that is not pleasing to Allah and His Messenger, even if it does not constitute disbelief, such as evildoing and sin, as Allah (may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“but Allah has endeared to you the faith and has made it pleasing in your hearts and has made hateful to you disbelief, defiance and disobedience. Those are the [rightly] guided”
[al-Hujuraat 49:7].
End quote from Fataawa Arkaan al-Islam, p. 183.
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (may Allah preserve him) said in Sharh Nawaqid al-Islam (p. 158): The Shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him) referred to one type of becoming allies with the disbelievers, which is supporting them, otherwise taking them as allies includes loving them in one’s heart, supporting them against the Muslims, praising them and so on, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded the Muslims to regard the disbelievers as enemies, hate them and disavow them. This is what is called, in Islam, loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’). End quote.
also from same link:
Ahmad (22132) narrated from Mu‘adh that he asked the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) about the best of faith, and he said: “The best of faith is to love for the sake of Allah and hate for the sake of Allah, and to keep your tongue busy in mentioning Him.” Shu‘ayb al-Arna’oot said: It is saheeh because of corroborating evidence.
At-Tabaraani narrated from Ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The strongest bond of faith is taking believers as allies and friends for the sake of Allah and to regard disbelievers as enemies for the sake of Allah, to love for the sake of Allah and hate for the sake of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albani in Saheeh al-Jaami‘ as-Sagheer, no. 2539.
firstly, the punishment for apostates is in the hadith. secondly- this is why we have to go back and study tafsir. we can't just invent our own interpretation.
no compulsion in religion means you can't force someone to convert against their will. it doesn't nullify the law on apostates.
TheProfessor
Peace
On this one I agree with uMost Somalis aren’t event practicing Muslims themselves, so people shouldn’t be so quick to judge.
Yeah because if I was you I would be more worried about muslim somalis who are back home starving to death or dying from drought and terrorism. Never understood why muslim somalis have such a hatred for non-muslim somalis, some of you lot hate us more than al-shabab.
@CALMONE20### thank you abaayo macaan, unfortunately not all people can think logically like you.
al-Mu'tamid المعتمد
عِشْ مَا شِئْتَ فَإِنَّكَ مَيِّتٌ
Why would you not hate those who rejected Allah and His messenger ﷺ?
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You're a walking disaster with two legs. You can't be a Muslim and then brag about how you like ex-Muslims while rubbing it on people's noises. I can see you're in the process of falling over a cliff.....Those of us who can read people like you can clearly see your agenda. If you're an ex-Muslim, stop hiding behind being a Muslim while promoting gaalnimo.
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Garaad diinle
It's not that we hate on them on the contrary it's they who hate on our religion. I really don't care for them nor do i have the necessary energy to spare for hatred against them but once they start spewing their hate against islam well this is what i would say.
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al-Mu'tamid المعتمد
عِشْ مَا شِئْتَ فَإِنَّكَ مَيِّتٌ
Not really. It's clear from the Qur'an that those who disbelieve in the religion are under the anger of Allah.
He is the One Who has placed you as successors on earth. So whoever disbelieves will bear ˹the burden of˺ their own disbelief. The disbelievers’ denial only increases them in contempt in the sight of their Lord, and it will only contribute to their loss.
35:39
Indeed, it will be announced to the disbelievers, “Allah’s contempt for you—as you disbelieved when invited to belief—was far worse than your contempt for one another ˹Today˺.”
40:10
A Mean Guy
Minister of Ajanabi Affairs
That was an emotional read tbh. Welcome back to the religion sister.
Somali mums are one of the kindest people on earth. God bless them and may Allah also guide ur father.
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