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[The Ash'ari]

hayaay flex your googling skills

I thought you blocked me?

Bugger off.

 

[Knowthyself]

I thought you blocked me?

Bugger off.

i unblocked you so i can drag your ass back to aidstopia. now follow the trail of raw meat back to mereja.com

 

[The Ash'ari]

Ur contradicting yourself. If i'm doing it for nationalist reasons it would imply that my usage of Waaq has roots in the language/beliefs of the Somali nation, which would make it a Somali word for God along with 'Eebe'. If not, how then can u deem it to be nationalist posturing on my part?

Ebbe is the traditional name for God in Somali. Even the Qur'an translation in Somali says 'Ebbe'.

It has no roots in Arabic. So nobody can argue that it's a cultural import. It is the most beautiful and authentic name.

We should be proud of our legacy as Somali Muslims. Our Islam is very Somali. Just like Malaysia and Turkey

 

[Netero]

i unblocked you so i can drag your ass back to aidstopia. now follow the trail of raw meat back to mereja.com

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Ebbe is the traditional name for God in Somali. Even the Qur'an translation in Somali says 'Ebbe'.

It has no roots in Arabic. So nobody can argue that it's a cultural import. It is the most beautiful and authentic name.

We should be proud of our legacy as Somali Muslims.

I'm not sure if ur being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Abdalla]

lol Yes, alxamdulillaah. Do u find the use of the term Waaq problematic? If so, why?

Because I associate it with Waaqism, the pre-islamic religion in the horn. I think you use that term because you wanna limit the arab terms, waaq is arabic too. It means protector.

walaa waaq. Surah ra'd verse 37

 

[The Ash'ari]

I'm not sure if ur being deliberately obtuse.

I'm far from obtuse. I understand your arguments clearly.

The only issue with Waaq is, it almost has an element of paganism in it.

 

[The Ash'ari]

Because I associate it with Waaqism, the pre-islamic religion in the horn. I think you use that term because you wanna limit the arab terms, waaq is arabic too. It means protector.

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walaa waaq. Surah ra'd verse 37

Interesting. I must say.

 

[The Ash'ari]

@jugjugwacwac

You were right. Waaq seems to be very monotheistic. Interesting.

Just did some research.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Because I associate it with Waaqism, the pre-islamic religion in the horn. I think you use that term because you wanna limit the arab terms, waaq is arabic too. It means protector.

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walaa waaq. Surah ra'd verse 37

What's the problem with using the pre-Islamic Cushitic word for God? Waaqism was and still is a monotheistic religion. Oromos (especially the Boraana) and Rendilles who convert to either Christianity or Islam still refer to Allah as Waaq, and I think that's perfectly fine. In fact some Somali clans to this day still use the term, and most of the others only stopped using it quite recently.

As for the term Waaq found in the Quran it has no relation to the Cushitic term Waaq. It's very sad that u allow arabs to appropriate an indigenous Cushitic term from our monotheistic pre-Islamic religion when these same Arabs were idol worshipers.

 

[Abdalla]

Interesting. I must say.

Jugjugwacwac already implied that the word waaq has no origine in the somali language, so both our assumptions were wrong. I didn't see his last comment before i made mine.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I'm far from obtuse. I understand your arguments clearly.

The only issue with Waaq is, it almost has an element of paganism in it.

I somewhat agree, Waaqism wasn't strictly monotheism, it was more henotheistic. Which basically meant they recognised there was a supreme creator/Lord, but they didn't rule out that lesser deities could exist. Eebe(God) would be a better word to use, however Waaq ain't bad if you're referring to the Lord.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

Jugjugwacwac already implied that the word waaq has no origine in the somali language, so both our assumptions were wrong. I didn't see his last comment before i made mine.

I don't get this, what do u mean I implied the term waaq had non-Somali origins?

 

[The Ash'ari]

I somewhat agree, Waaqism wasn't strictly monotheism, it was more henotheistic. Which basically meant the recognised there was a supreme creator/Lord, but they didn't rule out that lesser deities could exist. Eebe(God) would be a better word to use, however Waaq ain't to bad if you're referring to the Lord.

I personally prefer the word, Ebbe.

Our Islam was always distinctly Somali. We should be proud of that.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I somewhat agree, Waaqism wasn't strictly monotheism, it was more henotheistic. Which basically meant they recognised there was a supreme creator/Lord, but they didn't rule out that lesser deities could exist. Eebe(God) would be a better word to use, however Waaq ain't to bad if you're referring to the Lord.

I've never heard that Waaqism accommodated lesser dieties. Based on everything I've read it was strictly monotheistic, which could explain the easy transition of our ancestors from Waaqism to Islam. Can u provide some sources backing ur claim up?

Regardless, I'm glad we're in agreement that Waaq is an option if one is referring to Eebbe.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

I've never heard that Waaqism accommodated lesser dieties. Based on everything I've read it was strictly monotheistic, which could explain the easy transition of our ancestors from Waaqism to Islam. Can u provide some sources backing ur claim up?

I don't believe its a fact though, my source was Wiki.

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I don't believe its a fact though, my source was Wiki.

It's all good sxb. But take it from me, it was strictly monotheistic. And for me it's a source of pride that our ancestors were monotheists while much of the world were animists and polytheists. That's why I think we should pepper the term Waaq (swt) in our talk here and there as homage to our monotheistic heritage which spans thousands of years.

 

[Abdalla]

What's the problem with using the pre-Islamic Cushitic word for God? Waaqism was and still is a monotheistic religion. Oromos (especially the Boraana) and Rendilles who convert to either Christianity or Islam still refer to Allah as Waaq, and I think that's perfectly fine. In fact some Somali clans to this day still use the term, and most of the others only stopped using it quite recently.

As for the term Waaq found in the Quran it has no relation to the Cushitic term Waaq. It's very sad that u allow arabs to appropriate an indigenous Cushitic term from our monotheistic pre-Islamic religion when these same Arabs were idol worshipers.

I thought you used if for nationalistic reasons. I found it ironic that you would use a Quranic Arabic, which means protector, under the assumption it's a Somali word.

As for how to refer to God, I prefer calling Him by his favourite names and the names He favours to be called upon.

I don't get this, what do u mean I implied the term waaq had non-Somali origins?

I was referring to this post.

Ur contradicting yourself. If i'm doing it for nationalist reasons it would imply that my usage of Waaq has roots in the language/beliefs of the Somali nation, which would make it a Somali word for God along with 'Eebe'. If not, how then can u deem it to be nationalist posturing on my part?

 

[jugjugwacwac]

I thought you used if for nationalistic reasons. I found it ironic that you would use a Quranic Arabic, which means protector, under the assumption it's a Somali word.

As for how to refer to God, I prefer calling Him by his favourite names and the names He favours to be called upon.



I was referring to this post.

I was using it for nationalistic reasons and it is a Somali word. That's what I was arguing in that post of mine which u quoted.

 

[Canuck]

For those who are accusing me of being a fake Somali

Let's only talk in the Somali language. Time for some ppl to get exposed

Aff Soomali bas

I can go to YouTube and bring Russian speaking Somali better than any of us. Go boy.