Ethiopian messing with Adal's Wikipedia page. Removing somalis

[Khaem]

You are right brother. The karanle are the balaw of harar (bedouins of harar plataeu).

I was telling people the fact that balaw means bedouin is in ethiopian chronicles and that arab faqih uses those ethiopian chronicle scriptures-like terms such as balaw and awraai which means leader for garaad abuun.

The fact that ethiopians in the 10th century called an egyptian man a balaw shows it refers to bedouin nomadic life, not necessarily a tribe name like the eritrean balaw who only appear after the 13th century. Eritrean balaws literally appear in texts no earlier than the 1200s, which means the 10th century use of the term balaw in ethiopian chronicles for an egyptian muslim turned christian gives precedence to the notion it means bedouin rather than a specific tribe

Harla were likely settled farmers like some RX while Somalis were transhumant meaning they roam from place to place and pick up farming in certain seasons

You wrote a whole lot of nothing

 

[Bari🐍]

Lol I'm playing the game rn.
It clearly states the "culture" of Adal is Somali
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Haha I remember playing that game years ago. They had so many friggin DLCs I just ended up pirating them all lol.

 

[Khaem]

Haha I remember playing that game years ago. They had so many friggin DLCs I just ended up pirating them all lol.

Lol i can't be bothered with buying the dlc. Too much £££

 

[Step a side]

Let me first correct you in something,
You first claimed Malassay were the tribe of ahmed so they were Karanle, nur was among them so you made Him Karanle
Using this:
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Who ever wrote this is probably didn't even read the futuh

Malassay weren't a tribe as this guy claimed they were of different ethnic backgrounds but elite fighters
It was like Champions league you'll join if you're an elite fighter
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Many of them have non-somali names and also many of them were convert to islam
They aren't one tribe.

"Karanle are taking advantage of a ruler who didnt preserve his tribal legacy" anyone could say the same
I myself believe the imam was Karanle but Nur ibn mujahid was not,
We as somalis do infact heavily rely on oral traditions
Hell the whole existence of the powerful ajuran empire is also oral, no writing manuscripts.
What even makes the oral tradition even way stronger is the fact that the people of the hararghe region believed he was marehan:
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There's no scholar that says nur was karanle
Many says he was marehan tho
It's all hypothesis, Believing that Ahmed was Karanle is also hypothesis there's no clear evidence or surviving manuscripts about his tribe.
@Garaad Hirabu is an expert in this, idk alot about people's qabiils

Sidenote: Nur was related to ahmed on his maternal side, his sister married a guy who's supposedly a marehan that gave birth to nur ibn mujahid.



So? The arab revolt was to free the arabs, many of them were against it and were helping the ottoman empire, were the arabs who helped the Ottomans turks?

Also here it mentions that the marehan leader was chosen as the leader of all somalis:
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Translation:

"The Somalis, weary of the destruction inflicted on them went to the Imaam (Imaam Axmed), led by their (chosen) leader Hirabu. The Somalis with their leader concluded a complete peace with the Imaam.

After this, the Imaam made preparations for Jihad against Abyssinia, assembling his troops and the Somalis with their leader, Hirabu."

Marehans might have been antagonistized several times
But that wouldn't change anything, Nur really Appears to be a marehan
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My ears are open brother *don't use Malassay because they're not one tribe but a group of xoogsters of different ethnicities and qabils*

The Malasay were the most trused elite core professionals , so how can a tribe whose leaders were wavering could be trusted with leadership? Do you not realise if Amir Nur was MX his history in the Futuh would have been jeopardised by Hirabou a double dealer? Better yet Amir Nur would have led his clan to Harar in his place when Hirabou escaped but he had nothing to do with them. There are no hararge traditions of Amir Nur they are MX Somali traditions which is as real as their spirits Yaxye and Moorif kkkk. Also, Amir Nur has a brother and father mentioned in the Futuh which MX traditions do not mention. They don't know his family it is clear Hotepism whereas the Karanle have no relations to the studies done on them the books say Karanle not the other way around.

Marexaan whole claim on Amir Nur is based on an idea that he succeeded Gragn as the 2nd ruler to stake a claim on Harar which couldn't be further from the truth. Gureys brothers and sons took over after him and then went off to Awssa!!!

 

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You wrote a whole lot of nothing View attachment 281352

What’s your point with this?

 

[Somali_patriotic]

The Malasay were the most trused elite core professionals , so how can a tribe whose leaders were wavering could be trusted with leadership? Do you not realise if Amir Nur was MX his history in the Futuh would have been jeopardised by Hirabou a double dealer? Better yet Amir Nur would have led his clan to Harar in his place when Hirabou escaped but he had nothing to do with them. There are no hararge traditions of Amir Nur they are MX Somali traditions which is as real as their spirits Yaxye and Moorif kkkk. Also, Amir Nur has a brother and father mentioned in the Futuh which MX traditions do not mention. They don't know his family it is clear Hotepism whereas the Karanle have no relations to the studies done on them the books say Karanle not the other way around.

Marexaan whole claim on Amir Nur is based on an idea that he succeeded Gragn as the 2nd ruler to stake a claim on Harar which couldn't be further from the truth. Gureys brothers and sons took over after him and then went off to Awssa!!!

Whatever dude continue arguing with you wouldn't lead us anywhere it seems
Just let me eat my khat in peace
I'm neither Karanle or marehan so it wouldn't effect me anyways

 

[Qeelbax]

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[Qeelbax]

Ileen @HabarSteven12 is an ajanabi it all makes sense because no Somali would say what you just said

I just went through this bastards post history. All of it is him claiming Somali history is Ethiopian, All incels claiming to be somali are infact somali and not larpers, and him propagating that vice will make a documentary on somali incels. This nacas is 100% ajnabi. @Admin get rid of this scum please.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I just went through this bastards post history. All of it is him claiming Somali history is Ethiopian, All incels claiming to be somali are infact somali and not larpers, and him propagating that vice will make a documentary on somali incels. This nacas is 100% ajnabi. @Admin get rid of this scum please.

Ajanabis think their slick but they always slip up sooner or later we caught one live should be clear that a lot of troll accounts are ajanabi

 

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Whatever dude continue arguing with you wouldn't lead us anywhere it seems
Just let me eat my khat in peace
I'm neither Karanle or marehan so it wouldn't effect me anyways

13 confirmed Karanle rulers on this list. They are rulers number 30, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 44, 47, 49, 52 and 53. Those are rulers of Harar partly under Adal at times and partly an independent emirate. Since 1471, Gragns awoowe and his relative Mahfuz were two lineages among Karanle who took power in Adal. The last one on the list would eventually establish the Aussa Imamate after Adal’s collapse. Despite the relocation we would stay relevant in Harar way up to the 20th century, of course together with our Somali brethren from other clans!

 

[silentshimbir]

Afars who inherited Adal in the second half of the empire had this to say

“les Harraris appartiennent à la race des Saumalis,” Rochet d'Héricourt, Second voyage sur les deux rives de la mer Rouge, 262.

and this is just one of many ajnabis who attest its somali

 

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Afars who inherited Adal in the second half of the empire had this to say

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“les Harraris appartiennent à la race des Saumalis,” Rochet d'Héricourt, Second voyage sur les deux rives de la mer Rouge, 262.

and this is just one of many ajnabis who attest its somali

Brother allow me the correct you slightly. The Afars never took over Adal from us Somalis. According to the chronicles the Issa Somalis under their Garaad would take over the Aussa Imamate from the Karanle Somalis in 1647. The people of Harar refused to have the Issa Garaad Imam Umardiin Adan be their leader for what ever reason and so they established the Harar Imamate with it’s capital in Harar. Meanwhile the Issa leader and his Imamate would be overthrown by the Afar mudayto shortly afterwards and the Afars would start the Aussa Sultanate. So the Afars only took over the Aussa Imamate after it was no longer recognised as the successor state of Adal. The Harar Imamate would continue rule as the true successor state of Adal in 1647 with the newly established Dawud dynasty.

 

[Arma]

We must remain vigilant on all amxaro activities online. There's something wrong with these lot.

 

[HabarSteven12]

I just went through this bastards post history. All of it is him claiming Somali history is Ethiopian, All incels claiming to be somali are infact somali and not larpers, and him propagating that vice will make a documentary on somali incels. This nacas is 100% ajnabi. @Admin get rid of this scum please.

I just went through this bastards post history. All of it is him claiming Somali history is Ethiopian, All incels claiming to be somali are infact somali and not larpers, and him propagating that vice will make a documentary on somali incels. This nacas is 100% ajnabi. @Admin get rid of this scum please.

Wallah I am Somali. Aad baad u waalan tahay sxb. If someone doesn't align with your distorted narrative than they are not somali? You are ignorant, intellectually dishonest and extremely uneducated on the history of the Adal sultante. You keep showing numerous confirmation bias and have no regard for historical accuracy. Imam Ahmed ibn ibrahim al ghazi was not somali. The ruling elite of the Adal sultante were Ethio-semetic Muslims.

During the conquest of the abyssinia, somalis were primarily nomads who roamed around the desert in search of water and pasture for their livestock. When Imam Ahmed invited the somali nomadic tribes to join his military expeditions against abyssinia, they refused citing poverty and lack of resources. Most Somalis deserted in the first military encounter between Adal and Abyssinia(Battle of Shimbure kure). They fled in huge numbers and Imam Ahmed severely rebuked them. Luckily the Harari malaysay held their ground which shifted the momentum in favour of the Adal sultante. Do you realize the Ruiling class of the Adal sultante constructed a large wall with five gates in Zeila to prevent Somali nomads from entering their city. A similar wall was built in harar. The reason for that is because nomadic socieites are anarchic and lawless. Somalis had nothing to do with the Adal/Ifat sultante. Those empires were founded and built by Ethio-semetic Muslims.

Sxb you are delusional and lack knowledge on the history of the Adal sultante. The constant urge to aggressively assert Somalis in the Adal/Abyssinia conflict shows you are suffering from an inferiority complex and know very well I am telling the truth. I know it's a hard pill to swallow. You need to stop being so emotionally attached to the Adal sultante and Imam Ahmed. They had nothing to do with Somalis. Another person on this forum stated the same conclusion as me a while back. Lastly Somali nomads entered the city of Zeila after the fall of the Adal and Abyssinia empires. Before that Zeila was ruled by an Arab who hailed from Yemen.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Ajanabis think their slick but they always slip up sooner or later we caught one live should be clear that a lot of troll accounts are ajanabi

So if someone doesn't align with your distorted narrative than they are not Somali? Wallahi I am Somali but I will not deny historical truth. May Allah guide and forgive you for lying about my ethnicity.

 

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Wallah I am Somali. Aad baad u waalan tahay sxb. If someone doesn't align with your distorted narrative than they are not somali? You are ignorant, intellectually dishonest and extremely uneducated on the history of the Adal sultante. You keep showing numerous confirmation bias and have no regard for historical accuracy. Imam Ahmed ibn ibrahim al ghazi was not somali. The ruling elite of the Adal sultante were Ethio-semetic Muslims.

During the conquest of the abyssinia, somalis were primarily nomads who roamed around the desert in search of water and pasture for their livestock. When Imam Ahmed invited the somali nomadic tribes to join his military expeditions against abyssinia, they refused citing poverty and lack of resources. Most Somalis deserted in the first military encounter between Adal and Abyssinia(Battle of Shimbure kure). They fled in huge numbers and Imam Ahmed severely rebuked them. Luckily the Harari malaysay held their ground which shifted the momentum in favour of the Adal sultante. Do you realize the Ruiling class of the Adal sultante constructed a large wall with five gates in Zeila to prevent Somali nomads from entering their city. A similar wall was built in harar. The reason for that is because nomadic socieites are anarchic and lawless. Somalis had nothing to do with the Adal/Ifat sultante. Those empires were founded and built by Ethio-semetic Muslims.

Sxb you are delusional and lack knowledge on the history of the Adal sultante. The constant urge to aggressively assert Somalis in the Adal/Abyssinia conflict shows you are suffering from an inferiority complex and know very well I am telling the truth. I know it's a hard pill to swallow. You need to stop being so emotionally attached to the Adal sultante and Imam Ahmed. They had nothing to do with Somalis. Another person on this forum stated the same conclusion as me a while back. Lastly Somali nomads entered the city of Zeila after the fall of the Adal and Abyssinia empires. Before that Zeila was ruled by an Arab who hailed from Yemen.

No sources just emotions

 

[HabarSteven12]

Imam Ahmed was not somali. The Adal/Ifat Sultante was not founded or built by Somalis. Wallahi I cringe when I see Somalis spreading ridiculous narratives about the Adal sultante. Please stop deliberately lying and misinforming people online about the ethnicity of the great Imam Ahmed. I beg my somali brethren to stop aggressively asserting themselves in the Adal/Abyssinia conflict. Wallahi you guys are only embrassing yourselves. Even Ethiopian Muslims are calling out Somalis. This is so cringe and embrassing.

 

[HabarSteven12]

No sources just emotions

Sxb you are perfectly describing yourself. Why are you so emotionally attached to a guy who wasn't even Somali? I don't see Ethiopian Muslims doing this. Have you read the Adal sultante by mohamed Haji? Have you read the Ethiopian-Adal war by Jeffrey M. Shaw? I don't like to engage with people who are intellectually dishonest. I have extensive knowledge on this topic. Don't resort to Ad hominem fallacies or using Wikipedia as a legitimate academic source.

 

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Sxb you are perfectly describing yourself. Why are you so emotionally attached to a guy who wasn't even Somali? I don't see Ethiopian Muslims doing this. Have you read the Adal sultante by mohamed Haji? Have you read the Ethiopian-Adal war by Jeffrey M. Shaw? I don't like to engage with people who are intellectually dishonest. I have extensive knowledge on this topic. Don't resort to Ad hominem fallacies or using Wikipedia as a legitimate academic source.

Stop crying. Imam Ahmed and the leaders before him and after him from Hobat all the way to Aussa Imamate were Somali. Harar in its essence is a Somali settlement and later you had Ethio Semites like yourself migrate to it. You have the most authoritative Harari scholars like Ahmed Sami say this. This guy had several European institutions ask him to give information about Harar and it’s entire history. This guy gave 8 abtirsi of the imam to Takle Sadiq Mekuria who is regarded to be the most authoritative Amharic historian and Haile selassi’s right hand man. Mekuria writes about all Ethiopian History including Axum and Nubia. Mekuria is taught in univerisities in Addis, Amharas who have studied the book mention the historian Mekuria is one of their biggest countrys treasure, he refused a CIA offer to retire in the US when Mengistu took over.

This is the status of the great Ahmed Sami you are arguing against . It shows that you are emotional and upset about everything.

The Malassay were Somali even Germans know this.

 

[HabarSteven12]

Stop crying. Imam Ahmed and the leaders before him and after him from Hobat all the way to Aussa Imamate were Somali. Harar in its essence is a Somali settlement and later you had Ethio Semites like yourself migrate to it. You have the most authoritative Harari scholars like Ahmed Sami say this. This guy had several European institutions ask him to give information about Harar and it’s entire history. This guy gave 8 abtirsi of the imam to Takle Sadiq Mekuria who is regarded to be the most authoritative Amharic historian and Haile selassi’s right hand man. Mekuria writes about all Ethiopian History including Axum and Nubia. Mekuria is taught in univerisities in Addis, Amharas who have studied the book mention the historian Mekuria is one of their biggest countrys treasure, he refused a CIA offer to retire in the US when Mengistu took over.

This is the status of the great Ahmed Sami you are arguing against . It shows that you are emotional and upset about everything.

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The Malassay were Somali even Germans know this.

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If Malasaay was somali what does the term mean in af Somali? You see how foolish you sound. Malasaay was the elite infantry unit that formed the Adal sultante. The entire malasaay elite unit was comprised of harari infantry. The term malasaay means solution in the harari language. Many reputable harari scholars such as Abdurrahman Qorram, Mohamed Hassan and Dr Duri Mohamed mention that the harari ethnic group constituted the majority of the Malasay elite force. You are once again demonstrating confirmation bias and purposely taking things out of context to suit your distorted narrative. You obviously didn't read any of the books written by the great scholar Ahmed-As-Sami. If you did you would know that Imam Ahmed wasn't Somali. Opinions held by some scholars in the past doesn't amount to empirical fact or evidence. Learn the difference between a opinion and established fact. You are just selectively taking things out of context and not showing the full picture.