@Shimbiris @The alchemist
Lots to say. Most of the undated r medieval. Medieval Amharics look North Ethiopic, same for Axum (no surprises there). Really interested in the few that fall within PN cline.
Ethiopian aDNA (Axum n so n so)
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@Shimbiris @The alchemist
Lots to say. Most of the undated r medieval. Medieval Amharics look North Ethiopic, same for Axum (no surprises there). Really interested in the few that fall within PN cline.
Good to know on the Aksumites. An old Habesha friend asked me many years ago if the Aksumites could have looked "Arabian" and was perturbed by that possibility as he felt it wasn't as much his heritage as he grew up believing if so. I explained back then that their culture seemed too Cushitic influenced and like Habesha culture for them, in my humble opinion, not to already be heavily Agaw in their ancestry. Glad to see this will put the saaxiib at ease.
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Arabsiyawi
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Same. I really hope they’ll post a rediffusion
It was Jumma time in the UK unfortunately so I couldn't attend but I got a decent rundown. Lmk if u want me to post.
Yes please. It would be much appreciated walaal. Not much aDNA from Africa these days so I'm always eager to get what I can
Arabsiyawi
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Arabsiyawi
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Sourre Kabanawa seems quite similar to @NidarNidar and I on vahaduo. He's just more Mideastern-shifted than us.
Very interested in "Sourré-Kabanawa" (SK_1000BP in particular):
Source:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...as-an-islamic-gateway-to-eastern-ethiopia.pdf
Source:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...as-an-islamic-gateway-to-eastern-ethiopia.pdf
Is the data for the two hararghe samples available ?
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Very interested in "Sourré-Kabanawa" (SK_1000BP in particular):
Source:
https://www.cambridge.org/core/serv...as-an-islamic-gateway-to-eastern-ethiopia.pdf
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Garaad Awal
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They all got Horner HG Y-DNA…must all belong to the same clan or something.
The fact that he clusters with the PNs makes me think he's more Somali-like than anything else because in my upcoming AM post I did make a PCA where I cluster modern Horners with PNs and put up a more detailed (labeled) version on GitHub and you can see plainly that it's pretty much Somalis, Oromos and Afars who cluster with PNs whilst Habeshas are north of them alongside Sahos:
Juxtapose that with:
Pretty much just looks like a slightly MENA/Habesha-shifted Somali which makes perfect sense as the Gurage types had not settled in as much yet. Plus, my PCA above is of averages, there may very well be individual and totally normal Somali samples who cluster just as slightly north-shifted as him.
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What has me more curious is Sourre Kubanawa 1000ybp. Seems completely autosomally distinct from the 400ybp sample but not like Habeshas or Somalis in particular and doesn't cluster with them at all. Can't even see them in the PCA as they're probably layered under other samples. Wonder if they're more south or north.
The fact that he clusters with the PNs makes me think he's more Somali-like than anything else because in my upcoming AM post I did make a PCA where I cluster modern Horners with PNs and put up a more detailed (labeled) version on GitHub and you can see plainly that it's pretty much Somalis, Oromos and Afars who cluster with PNs whilst Habeshas are north of them alongside Sahos:
Juxtapose that with:
Pretty much just looks like a slightly MENA/Habesha-shifted Somali which makes perfect sense as the Gurage types had not settled in as much yet. Plus, my PCA above is of averages, there may very well be individual and totally normal Somali samples who cluster just as slightly north-shifted as him.
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What has me more curious is Sourre Kubanawa 1000ybp. Seems completely autosomally distinct from the 400ybp sample but not like Habeshas or Somalis in particular and doesn't cluster with them at all. Can't even see them in the PCA as they're probably layered under other samples. Wonder if they're more south or north.
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I think it relates well to what our brother Alchemist notes about the archaeology, no? That there were, from early on, Ethiosemitic types nearby who were shown to be eating things like pork next to the camel pastoralists (basically Somalis). But it's very interesting that it maybe seems like earlier Ethiosemites more admixed than current ones? Let's see when the actual samples are available, tho. PCAs can be wonky when scaled a bit like this.
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The alchemist
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Amazing. This came out of nowhere.
A lot of things to infer, with those results reinforcing some of my model of "theories."
A lot of things to infer, with those results reinforcing some of my model of "theories."
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