English Map and Description of the Somali Coast in 1688

[Grant]

Exposed where? You called them false just because it debunks your lying made up opinions. I'm not going to further waste my time debating a racist historical revisionist troll like you, it ends here. Go talk to other users exposing you instead of coming to someone who is extremely knowledgeable about the Somali history.

 

[Shanshiyo1234]

Are you Bantu or something? Everyone knows Bantus in southern Somalia are slave descendants. Here is the link you wanted: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...dAhXlKcAKHeFEDJEQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

You only posted a blog of Zanzibar Sultanate. How do you consider that a real source? Let me show you what real sources are with authentic books written by top historians with PHD in history.

I told you this once and again. Zanzibar Sultanate didn't rule the Benadir coast at all. It was locally governed by the Geledi Sultanate and the Hiraab Imamate who were successor states of the Ajuran Empire exercised real authority in the Benadir coast. Zanzibar was only nominal meaning they claimed the territories but didn't control it.

Same way as you said that Arabs from Yemen or Egypt under Ottoman Empire ruled northern Somalia when in fact it was nominal again because the local rulers were Sharmake and his descendants.

Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X1dDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA63&dq=Haji+Sharmarke&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOoJu56OzcAhVGgVwKHV33B50Q6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Haji Sharmarke&f=false

Learn what nominal means you dotard and don't bother bringing this topic again especially with your fake made up blogs. It's already been proven by these authentic sources that Arabs had no authority anywhere in Somalia. You have been debunked completely.

As for the fort in Mogadishu. You do realize they received permission from Sultan Ahmed to build a fort in Mogadishu? They had 0 authority in Mogadishu, it was the seat of Yaquub dynasty that ruled Hiraab kingdom. You really think Zanzibar can construct in Mogadishu without Geledi approval?

Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=mw1n9-3ZvcQC&pg=PA387&dq=sultan+yusuf+ahmed+geledi+permission+fort&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2wJTWh5rdAhXoBsAKHRqWAqYQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=sultan yusuf ahmed geledi permission fort&f=false

Now you can't slander me since I've provided all the links above same way as I did in our previous debates but you went silent and rejected all the historians and their books. Just remember everyone knows you're a historical revisionist troll and have been exposed for lying countless times. I've debunked you in multiple threads with many sources and you have rejected them all same way as you rejected the 10 sources which proves Mogadishu was always dominated by Somalis but you have flat out rejected them and kept being a repetitive buffoon just to dodge the questions. You're an intellectually dishonest stubborn fool and everybody knows it. When people read this thread, they are shocked how you try to be so repetitive just to dodge the sources.

Here: https://www.somalispot.com/threads/...lways-somali-cities.47908/page-5#post-1313759

Serious question how did the Benadiri go from “guests” in Mogadishu to being hated in Somalia? Also why didn’t the Somalis develop their own script. Why were Somalis using Arabic script in the 7th century?

 

[Factz]

Serious question how did the Benadiri go from “guests” in Mogadishu to being hated in Somalia? Also why didn’t the Somalis develop their own script. Why were Somalis using Arabic script in the 7th century?

Benadiri people aren't hated at all and Somalis did develop their own writing script but they saw Arabic language as the best language so they used wadaad script instead.

 

[Grant]

Serious question how did the Benadiri go from “guests” in Mogadishu to being hated in Somalia? Also why didn’t the Somalis develop their own script. Why were Somalis using Arabic script in the 7th century?

The Minorities challenge the notion that all Somalis are V32. Waddad's script was only introduced in the 13th century and was not a single script, but had several local variations. Even into the 20th century, these variations were not mutually intelligible, which is why the introduction of the Latin script in 1972 was so significant. The first Maay vocabulary lists only came out in 2003 and, again, Uways al-Baraawe does not get the credit he deserves. Note that the Somali language is still not standardized.

This Wiki does not appear to have been tampered with yet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadaad_writing

"The Arabic script was introduced to Somalia in the 13th century by Sheikh Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn (colloquially referred to as Aw Barkhadle or the "Blessed Father"[5]),[6] a man described as "the most outstanding saint in northern Somalia."[7] Of Somali descent, he sought to advance the teaching of the Qur'an.[6] Al-Kawneyn devised a Somali nomenclature for the Arabic vowels, which enabled his pupils to read and write in Arabic.[8] Shiekh Abi-Bakr Al Alawi, a Harari historian, states in his book that Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn was of native and local Dir (clan) extraction.[9]

Though various Somali wadaads and scholars had used the Arabic script to write in Somali for centuries, it would not be until the 19th century when the Qadiriyyah saint Sheikh Uways al-Barawi of the Tuuni clan would improve the application of the Arabic script to represent Somali. He applied it to the Maay dialect of southern Somalia, which at the time was the closest to standardizing Somali with the Arabic script. Al-Barawi modeled his alphabet after the Arabic transcription adopted by the Amrani of Barawa (Brava) to write their Swahili dialect, Bravanese.[10][11]

Wadaad writing was often unintelligible to Somali pupils who learned standard Arabic in government-run schools.[12] During the 1930s in the northwestern British Somaliland protectorate, Mahammad 'Abdi Makaahiil attempted to standardize the orthography in his book The Institution of Modern Correspondence in the Somali language. Following in the footsteps of Sh. Ibraahim 'Abdallah Mayal, Makaahiil therein championed the use of the Arabic script for writing Somali, showing examples of this usage through proverbs, letters and sentences.[10]

In the 1950s, the Somali linguist Musa Haji Ismail Galal (1917–1980) introduced a more radical alteration of Arabic to represent Somali. Galal came up with an entirely new set of symbols for the Somali vowels. Lewis (1958) considered this to be the most accurate Arabic alphabet to have been devised for the Somali language.[2]"