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[Angelina]

Me speculating ? what about you ? you not only lied but also denied that family were against this marriage from the beginning.

The reason why he doesn't bring the father's current status is that it doesn't fit his narrative. He literary says the reason why he was imprisoned was due to fraud, furthermore the scamming etc was in the past. You've no basis at all to defend what you're insinuating about the father other than past actions from 17 yrs ago !!! This is what he wrote about the father




What speculation ? My observation is based on a number of facts, like parents disapproval before and after , nikah nightmare, insults etc How can the family not be at odds when they were against it and she bypassed her wali to marry him ? His mother is never going to accept it and will always treat her differently just look what he writes



Why would we assume that the father approves when he rejected the guy and was taken out of the picture by her ? Wallahi it's cajib the level of ignorance you're displaying here considering the problematic nature of this "marriage"

This guy is resorting to use the father's actions from 17 yrs ago to disparage him, what does that tell you about him ? what does that tells us about the father ? i mean he had to go back 17 yrs to find dirt on him doesn't this not point to the fact has corrected himself ? I wonder what would be his reaction if he was also judged for his past

Even is she did more than cooking and cleaning that's part of her obligation to her parents & family. Parents like us have their shortcomings why would should we focus on them when they've sacrificed more than us ? The girl hasn't done even half what her mother did when she yet somehow she's not entitled to sympathy

No amount of deflection is going to negate the fact that the guy clearly disrespects her parents, cares about his family more than hers while she does her outmost to please his family. The guy has no intention of trying to show the same level of courtesy that his wife has for his family, it's a one sided relationship

Isn't it strange that you are only showing contempt when the sacrifice is for her family laakin when she sacrifices her time and energy to please his family you're quiet why is this ? bal ii sheeg how is this normal ?

Your bias that you've against dhaqaanka soomaliyeed, gaar ahaan ragga soomaliyeed to be more specific is what is blinding you to the above facts and it's the reason why you're willing to give benefit of the doubt to the guy and not the parents.

We know that the father went to prison over fraud 17 years ago. We don't know if he scammed people yesterday and the same thing with the fake passports. So saying everything happened 17 yr ago is pure speculation. The father could still have a recent history of engaging in this sort of behavior.
He is clearly talking about her abo to paint a picture of how dysfunctional her family is and give us background info as to why she is the way she is.

Do you really think doing everything as 1 woman providing everything, going to all parents evening, providing for the education, raising them is the obligation of a daughter with brothers?

I find the fact that you're defending such disfunction is crazy. This naag nool dhaqan in which a woman takes on the duties of both men and women is blinding you.

Who said, I think its normal that she has that attitude towards her in-laws? At this point you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Her own husband doesn't agree and wants her to relax. So why would I comment?

How is me having an issue with this bias against dhaqaan Somali. What normal and good dhaqaan Somali can you see in the OP's story?

And what does this story have to do with Somali men in general?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

We know that the father went to prison over fraud 17 years ago. We don't know if he scammed people yesterday and the same thing with the fake passports. So saying he might have changed is speculation. He is clearly talking about her abo to paint a picture of her dysfunctional family and give us background info as to why she is the way she is.



Do you really think doing everything as a woman such providing everything, going to all parents evening, providing for the education, raising them is the obligation of a daughter with brothers?

I find the fact that you're defending such disfunction is crazy. This naag nool dhaqan in which a woman takes on the duties of both men and women is blinding you.

Who said, I think its normal that she has that attitude towards her in-laws? At this point you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Her own husband doesn't agree and wants her to relax.

How is me having an issue with this bias against dhaqaan Somali. What dhaqaan Somali can you see the OP's story?

And what does this story have to do with Somali men in general?

Had that been the case the guy would have said it so, i'm the only one who figured out that what he's was referring to happened 17 yrs ago neither you nor those who were replying in that sub knew it. How do you think people would've reacted if he wrote that 17 yrs ago her dad was imprisoned ? They would most certainly question him about it and what relevance it has to the dad now

He had to resort to actions from 17 yrs what does that tell you ? if the father was continuing with same things there wouldn't be a need to go back to 17 yrs ago

I'm not defending such actions merely pointing out the problem of how it's being utilised to discredit parents, justify bypassing wali and validate the need for guy to save her.

The fact that you didn't raise any comments or concerns about it even after i mentioned about the double standards from the guy & how he reacted to it indicates you didn't think it was worthy enough to warrant a response. Look at the disdain he shows when she sacrifices for her family and the lack of a similar aversion when she does it for his family

The reason this fact passed you back is due to your bias and continued benefit of the doubts you kept on giving the guy. When it came to the parents it was lacking why ? why are you so intent to portray the father's as a criminal even after 17 yrs ? why did it seem he was not practising when the guy didn't even mention it at all ?

All of your actions are based on views that you hold about our culture and men, in particular somali men.

 

[Angelina]

Had that been the case the guy would have said it so, i'm the only one who figured out that what he's was referring to happened 17 yrs ago neither you nor those who were replying in that sub knew it. How do you think people would've reacted if he wrote that 17 yrs ago her dad was imprisoned ? They would most certainly question him about it and what relevance it has to the dad now

He had to resort to actions from 17 yrs what does that tell you ? if the father was continuing with same things there wouldn't be a need to go back to 17 yrs ago

I'm not defending such actions merely pointing out the problem of how it's being utilised to discredit parents, justify bypassing wali and validate the need for guy to save her.

The fact that you didn't raise any comments or concerns about it even after i mentioned about the double standards from the guy & how he reacted to it indicates you didn't think it was worthy enough to warrant a response. Look at the disdain he shows when she sacrifices for her family and the lack of a similar aversion when she does it for his family

The reason this fact passed you back is due to your bias and continued benefit of the doubts you kept on giving the guy. When it came to the parents it was lacking why ? why are you so intent to portray the father's as a criminal even after 17 yrs ? why did it seem he was not practising when the guy didn't even mention it at all ?

All of your actions are based on views that you hold about our culture and men, in particular somali men.

1. The bit in bold is not only silly, but false. His whole post is about trying to find ways for his wife to relax. He doesn’t want her to make any sacrifices for his family. In fact, he finds her behavior concerning and even calls her a 'soldier' ect and also laments that 'there is nothing helpless about her'. He clearly has an aversion as well.

2. I'll give a guy who wants his wife to relax and not do all the chores and is concerned about her physical and mental health the benefit of the doubt. Could he be a straight up vindictive liar? Yes. Could he actually be telling the truth? Yes. We will BOTH never know. But one thing, I think to be true is that your reaction would have been different if the husband was Somali.

3.What views have I peddled about Somali men? I always say some never all when I talk about the issues in our community and I find it amazing that still seems to offend some of you lot. No community is perfect, especially when it comes to the treatment of women and things will never change if men keep on getting offended for talking about real social realities.

4. Tell me what parts of the culture have I critiqued? I'm curious to know what you think I have issues with.

 

[Kan'an]

Sad read. What an amazing woman.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Had that been the case the guy would have said it so, i'm the only one who figured out that what he's was referring to happened 17 yrs ago neither you nor those who were replying in that sub knew it. How do you think people would've reacted if he wrote that 17 yrs ago her dad was imprisoned ? They would most certainly question him about it and what relevance it has to the dad now

He had to resort to actions from 17 yrs what does that tell you ? if the father was continuing with same things there wouldn't be a need to go back to 17 yrs ago

I'm not defending such actions merely pointing out the problem of how it's being utilised to discredit parents, justify bypassing wali and validate the need for guy to save her.

The fact that you didn't raise any comments or concerns about it even after i mentioned about the double standards from the guy & how he reacted to it indicates you didn't think it was worthy enough to warrant a response. Look at the disdain he shows when she sacrifices for her family and the lack of a similar aversion when she does it for his family

The reason this fact passed you back is due to your bias and continued benefit of the doubts you kept on giving the guy. When it came to the parents it was lacking why ? why are you so intent to portray the father's as a criminal even after 17 yrs ? why did it seem he was not practising when the guy didn't even mention it at all ?

All of your actions are based on views that you hold about our culture and men, in particular somali men.

The timojoleec guy was not accepted by his "wife's" father, so he is ing online, calling whatever he can use against his father-in-law. In decent societies and decent families, there is a tradition that you don't barrage your in-laws. This guy doesn't even understand that or at least not adhering to it. We don't even know if what he claims about the father and 2 of the brothers are even true.

The other irony I see in the story is how is this marriage is even legit if the father refused the guy to marry the daughter? The whole idea of having a weli is for the father to decide if the guy is suitable for his daughter. So if the father rejected, where does the uncle fit in? This is a bizarre story that doesn't hold in normal Muslim marriages.

I honestly think the guy is ing because he couldn't get over the fact that a black African man denied his daughter to marry him. He also can't get over the fact that the girl is still going to her family even though her father disowned her.

You also have the usual suspects who like to take jump every Xalimo who ran with an ajnabi and use that to disparage Somali guys. There is nothing else to this story.

 

[Shimbiris]

I'll get attacked for this, but this is the norm for our dhaqan. This has been happening for centuries. Even explorers who came to our lands would comment on how hard working the women are. Even the ajnabi commentators knew straight away the wife was Somali.

Not attacking but that's simply not fair. Pre-current era Somali men were not like this at all. There was a generally balanced dynamic among nomadic and farmer families. The aabo managed the large livestock like the cattle, camels and horses, handled raids, trade, defense and any legal affairs, educated the boys on these matters and so on. He was crucial. The hooyo in turn gathered materials for the tent, set-up the tent, managed the small livestock like the sheep and goats, reared the children in regards to their dhaqan and passed her particular brand of duties onto the girls. Everyone had a role. No reer baadiyo man was just laying around waiting for benefits while his wife broke her back. What "benefits" were there a century ago?

And there clearly has been some sort of cultural and moral decay in our community, especially among western diasporans in the last 30 or so years. In my parents' youth it was quite regular to know of men who would outright kidnap their own children after a dicey divorce in order to remain with them or who would white-knuckle it through a miserable marriage for their ilmo's sake. You still get remnants of this type here and there. Just recently a cousin of mine was telling me about this abti of ours who divorced his wife who birthed him two twin girls. He gave her two large houses in her name and instructed her to rent one of them out to someone for her own additional income on-top of the generous monthly bill he sends her and regularly visits his girls while making it clear their schooling and all other such matters would be his responsibility. He's not the norm nowadays but not unheard of.

And please miss me before you come in with some "You're in denial" type attack, abaayo. I'm well aware our community is rife with degeneracy nowadays. Just pointing out that there are many exceptions and that this wasn't the case a century ago at all as you try to imply. I mean in this story alone the guy says:

My wife asked her uncle, a nice gentleman who not only has a great knowledge of Islam but has a nice family, respect his wife, works and support his children and is involved in the muslim community, to be her wali and after few talks and one meeting he accepted and spoke with the Imam who agreed and we just went on with our plans.

 

[__08]

This is what you call true love!

I know far too many Somali girls who practically run their homes, work and parents expect them to carry their whole family on their back as they're daughters.

I'll get attacked for this, but this is the norm for our dhaqan. This has been happening for centuries. Even explorers who came to our lands would comment on how hard working the women are. Even the ajnabi commentators knew straight away the wife was Somali.

We do way too much.

 

[Angelina]

Not attacking but that's simply not fair. Pre-current era Somali men were not like this at all. There was a generally balanced dynamic among nomadic and farmer families. The aabo managed the large livestock like the cattle, camels and horses, handled raids, trade, defense and any legal affairs, educated the boys on these matters and so on. He was crucial. The hooyo in turn gathered materials for the tent, set-up the tent, managed the small livestock like the sheep and goats, reared the children in regards to their dhaqan and passed her particular brand of duties onto the girls. Everyone had a role. No reer baadiyo man was just laying around waiting for benefits while his wife broke her back. What "benefits" were there a century ago?

And there clearly has been some sort of cultural and moral decay in our community, especially among western diasporans in the last 30 or so years. In my parents' youth it was quite regular to know of men who would outright kidnap their own children after a dicey divorce in order to remain with them or who would white-knuckle it through a miserable marriage for their ilmo's sake. You still get remnants of this type here and there. Just recently a cousin of mine was telling me about this abti of ours who divorced his wife who birthed him two twin girls. He gave her two large houses in her name and instructed her to rent one of them out to someone for her own additional income on-top of the generous monthly bill he sends her and regularly visits his girls while making it clear their schooling and all other such matters would be his responsibility. He's not the norm nowadays but not unheard of.

And please miss me before you come in with some "You're in denial" type attack, abaayo. I'm well aware our community is rife with degeneracy nowadays. Just pointing out that there are many exceptions and that this wasn't the case a century ago at all as you try to imply. I mean in this story alone the guy says:

I clearly remember you debating with another poster arguing that Burton was pretty unbiased and would mostly write what he would see although he obviously did display racist undertones. So how do you explain this?

Or could you explain this documentary recorded in the 1950s-60s please:

Look from 20:22.

They clearly say the women worked harder than the men and do chores the whole day.

This isn't to suggest that men didn't do anything. Life in the nomad was hard so men obviously had to do the things women didn't have the strengh or ability to do.

But Clearly the work women did took up all day as they had lots of little things to do and had to soley cook,clean, take of the kids, give birth and recover in such harsh conditions ect.

 

[Shimbiris]

I clearly remember you debating with another poster arguing that Burton was pretty unbiased and would mostly write what he would see although he obviously did display racist undertones. So how do you explain this?

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Or could you explain this documentary recorded in the 1950s-60s please:

Look from 20:22.

They clearly say the women work harder than the men and do chores the whole day.

? Both those same sources describe in length the numerous things the men do. I am not contesting that Somali women worked hard or even maybe were worked harder in some ways than the men. What I am contesting is your absolutely bullshit paralleling of modern nacaasiin to old nomadic men. Again, what benefits were old nomadic Somali men collecting?

You realize if all these guys did was sleep and lay around all day and do nothing that would be khalas for the entire family, yes? No wealth being traded, the larger animals running amok and not managed and, worst of all, the women and children would be raided, raped and taken captive by other men. Do not dance around this, abaayo. You tried to act like the men a hundred years ago were basically doing nothing and were not crucial to the family or taking care of it in some way which is absolutely ridiculous to imply based on your own sources you just shared.

You wouldn't exist right now if your male ancestors were weak, lazy and useless. Your line would have been snuffed out ages ago.

 

[Angelina]

? Both those same sources describe in length the numerous things the men do. I am not contesting that Somali women worked hard or even maybe were worked harder in some ways than the men. What I am contesting is your absolutely bullshit paralleling of modern nacaasiin to old nomadic men. Again, what benefits were old nomadic Somali men collecting? You realize if all these guys did was sleep and lay around all day and do nothing that would be khalas for the entire family, yes? No wealth being traded, the larger animals running amok and not managed and, worst of all, the women and children would be raided, raped and taken captive by other men. Do not dance around this, abaayo. You tried to act like the men a hundred years ago were basically doing nothing and were not crucial to the family or taking care of it in some way which is absolutely ridiculous to imply based on your own sources you just shared.

My point was women were always overworked more. Anyone with common sense knows that a nomadic man also had to work and do the tasks the women clearly didn't have the strengh for.

I never said men did nothing back in the days btw. You should know I have a love of history, so saying that would be dumb on my behalf.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

1. The bit in bold is not only silly, but false. His whole post is about trying to find ways for his wife to relax. He doesn’t want her to make any sacrifices for his family. In fact, he finds her behavior concerning and even calls her a 'soldier' ect and also laments that 'there is nothing helpless about her'. He clearly has an aversion as well.

2. I'll give a guy who wants his wife to relax and not do all the chores and is concerned about her physical and mental health the benefit of the doubt. Could he be a straight up vindictive liar? Yes. Could he actually be telling the truth? Yes. We will BOTH never know. But one thing, I think to be true is that your reaction would have been different if the husband was Somali.

3.What views have I peddled about Somali men? I always say some never all when I talk about the issues in our community and I find it amazing that still seems to offend some of you lot. No community is perfect, especially when it comes to the treatment of women and things will never change if men keep on getting offended for talking about real social realities.

4. Tell me what parts of the culture have I critiqued? I'm curious to know what you think I have issues with.

1. How is it silly? there’s a preferential treatment that he awards to his family that’s lacking in how he interacts with her family. Does he for instance call his sister, parents etc “selfish” for cooking and cleaning for them even when his concerned about it ? It’s obvious the guy disrespects her family yet you continue ignore

2. Let’s review the guy who you continue to give benefit of the doubt:

a) Bypasses the wali because he refused him his daughter
b) Discredits the father now based on past actions that father did 17 yrs ago
c) Disparages & disrespects the girls parents
d) Makes no effort to establish relationship with her parents

After all that we’re supposed to belief that he has the best of intentions to take care of her ? Even if the guy was somali I would never support him simply based on bypassing the wali forget all the other actions. Please bring evidence of me supporting such actions. What’s a more plausible scenario is you not tolerating such actions had the guy been somali. I mean just look at thread of that nigerian girl, your argued differently and contradict yourself here. Unlike you I don’t support such people especially when they contradict diinta no matter who it is.

3. How many times have we had discussions where I pointed out your gender bias ? In fact our last discussion involved you clearly ignoring clear cut haram actions all on the basis of gender.

4. Why did you not give benefit of the doubt to the mother ? Why did you argue against the similarity present in the cultural expectations that both mothers have and just focused on the somali mother ?

 

[Shimbiris]

My point was women were always overworked more. Anyone with common sense knows that a nomadic man also had to work and do the tasks the women clearly didn't have the strengh for.

I never said men did nothing back in the days btw. You should know I have a love of history, so saying that would be dumb on my behalf.

Sorry, abaayo, I got triggered. Forgive your brother.

But yes, Somali men have always been most cruel in many ways to our counterparts. I apologize to your race on behalf of mine.

 

[Angelina]

1. How is it silly? there’s a preferential treatment that he awards to his family that’s lacking in how he interacts with her family. Does he for instance call his sister, parents etc “selfish” for cooking and cleaning for them even when his concerned about it ? It’s obvious the guy disrespects her family yet you continue ignore

2. Let’s review the guy who you continue to give benefit of the doubt:

a) Bypasses the wali because he refused him his daughter
b) Discredits the father now based on past actions that father did 17 yrs ago
c) Disparages & disrespects the girls parents
d) Makes no effort to establish relationship with her parents

After all that we’re supposed to belief that he has the best of intentions to take care of her ? Even if the guy was somali I would never support him simply based on bypassing the wali forget all the other actions. Please bring evidence of me supporting such actions. What’s a more plausible scenario is you not tolerating such actions had the guy been somali. I mean just look at thread of that nigerian girl, your argued differently and contradict yourself here. Unlike you I don’t support such people especially when they contradict diinta no matter who it is.

3. How many times have we had discussions where I pointed out your gender bias ? In fact our last discussion involved you clearly ignoring clear cut haram actions all on the basis of gender.

4. Why did you not give benefit of the doubt to the mother ? Why did you argue against the similarity present in the cultural expectations that both mothers have and just focused on the somali mother ?

1. Why do you keep on talking about cooking and cleaning?! Are you okay horta. According to OP the wife is doing 10x more than cooking and cleaning. We've had this discussion. You're arguing for the sake of arguing now. This isn't normal. You can't compare merely cooking and cleaning to literally doing everything for the family. You simply cannot.




A) where does it say her father point blank refused? Show me. Whenever I make a point you always say he would have said. So why didn't he specifically say that her father said no to the union?

Do you know the background story as to how her uncle became her Wali? How do you know her father wasn't unable and appointed him? Why would the iman accept her uncle as a wali whilst her father is alive?!

B) We know her father was convicted 17yrs ago, but as for his laziness and other faults like scamming we have no idea if its recent history or not.

3. Last discussion, I clearly said FDS is beneficial for gaal women, but as a Muslim women who have no business being involved. I didn't know what it was and it was based on the posts I saw.


4. I actually told you why. You clearly don't read what I write and argue for the sake of arguing authobillah. Right now that is disingenuous.

Did he write anywhere that his Pakistani mother relies on her daughter 100% both financially and to raise the kids despite also having grown sons. What cultural expectations is it you keep on talking about. Asians don't have that. They rely on their MEN
and that is the case for normal Somali families.

 

[Angelina]

Sorry, abaayo, I got triggered. Forgive your brother.

But yes, Somali men have always been most cruel in many ways to our counterparts. I apologize to your race on behalf of mine.

You clearly said balanced dynamic and I only attested that based on the books and documentaries I read, never claimed they did nothing. Even in this day and age, I don't even believe that all Somali do nothing. That is an absurd narrative. Many are hard working and some even do more than their womenfolk, however we do have a modern cultural issue of expecting Somali mums in particular to do an unhealthy amount and for some reason some of the guys here are acting like i'm attacking all of them for merely talking about it.

But it's fine though, you're definitely one of the great ones on this site.

 

[Angelina]

I said, the Nigerian girl was smart for NOT marrying into that family. What does that have to do with anything? The Pakistani guy has already married her and are her family trying to kill him?

Your point doesn't make sense in the slightest.

With regards to the Nigerian girl

@AdoonkaAlle

This was my reply to another poster. I can't believe you'd bring that. Really goes to show how you'll literally use any argument, even one's that don't make sense to argue a point.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

1. Why do you keep on talking about cooking and cleaning?! Are you okay horta. According to OP the wife is doing 10x more than cooking and cleaning. We've had this discussion. You're arguing for the sake of arguing now. This isn't normal. You can't compare merely cooking and cleaning to literally doing everything for the family. You simply cannot.




A) where does it say her father point blank refused? Show me. Whenever I make a point you always say he would have said. So why didn't he specifically say that her father said no to the union?

Do you know the background story as to how her uncle became her Wali? How do you know her father wasn't unable and appointed him? Why would the iman accept her uncle as a wali whilst her father is alive?!

B) We know her father was convicted 17yrs ago, but as for his laziness and other faults like scamming we have no idea if its recent history or not.

3. Last discussion, I clearly said FDS is beneficial for gaal women, but as a Muslim women who have no business being involved. I didn't know what it was and it was based on the posts I saw.


4. I actually told you why. You clearly don't read what I write and argue for the sake of arguing authobillah. Right now that is disingenuous.

Did he write anywhere that his Pakistani mother relies on her daughter 100% both financially and to raise the kids despite also having grown sons. What cultural expectations is it you keep on talking about. Asians don't have that. They rely on their MEN
and that is the case for normal Somali families.

10x more of what ? paying bills, meeting with the school everything she did for her family is nothing out of ordinary and i'm pretty certain alot of users her can relate to this. What exactly set her apart from other children who do just that ? I asked you who was paying the bills, doing the cooking cleaning etc before she came to the country ? was she going to school meetings while not knowing the language ? What's most probably is that she started to take more responsibility as she grew up and earning enough money to pay bills etc

1) You must be joking now, this what he writes

My wife asked her uncle, a nice gentleman who not only has a great knowledge of Islam but has a nice family, respect his wife, works and support his children and is involved in the muslim community, to be her wali and after few talks and one meeting he accepted and spoke with the Imam who agreed and we just went on with our plans.

If the father agreed to the marriage there would be no point for her to ask the uncle is there now ? The sole reason why he tells us that the father is lazy and was imprisoned is to show how he's not fit to be her guardian. Many imam's simply don't vet properly and couldn't be bothered as long as there's any wali they would conduct the marriage. There's also the cases of dodgy imam who do just without hesitation. I know of cases where the imam in one masjid refused to conduct the marriage while another imam from a different masjid conducted it.


2) The scamming, fraud etc all from the past only the bit about laziness is recent as i stated earlier on. Had it not been for me you would've continued to assume his imprisonment was recent. My suspicions were right about him and it was due to that i was able to find this important fact he omitted.

The father is the laziest man on earth. Scammed people, went to prison for a few months over fraud, had a collection of passports with different names faking to be a refugees all the time

I find it very strange that you don't find anything wrong with discrediting the father based on what he did 17 yrs ago, why is this ? why are you so intent to prove the father of wrong doing after all this time ? That's not a healthy attitude to have it's as if this personal to you


3) With regards to FDS you continuously kept on asking me what's wrong with their advice even after you highlighted the issues of zina, hatred of men. You brushed this factors aside as if they weren't major issues. You gave them benefit of the doubt due to their gender and would never tolerate such actions if it were done by men.


4) I'm not arguing for the sake of it, just pointing out the contradictions in your actions. There's a pattern to your advocacy of this guy, FDS, gender issues etc and it's very problematic as you clearly tolerate actions that you would never otherwise tolerate even if they contradict diinta.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

With regards to the Nigerian girl

@AdoonkaAlle

This was my reply to another poster. I can't believe you'd bring that. Really goes to show how you'll literally use any argument, even one's that don't make sense to argue a point.

I brought it up as it highlights yet another case of you contradicting yourself. You agreed with nigerian girl decision not marry that guy because his family was against it. Yet when it came to the somali girl you completely changed your stance

When you were confronted about it, you went ahead and denied that the somali girl's family didn't object to her marriage which is completely false.

 

[Angelina]

I brought it up as it highlights yet another case of you contradicting yourself. You agreed with nigerian girl decision not marry that guy because his family was against it. Yet when it came to the somali girl you completely changed your stance

When you were confronted about it, you went ahead and denied that the somali girl's family didn't object to her marriage which is completely false.

Authobillah. The Somali is already married?! How can you compare the unmarried with the married?!

How can you even compare a situation in which people are threatening death?!

They're married already! Are you okay horta. A marker of a normal person is that they understand you can't bring back spilt milk. So, am I meant to advocate for divorce?!

Really read what you wrote, because walal you really are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

Honestly, I can't take you serious at this point because you're not logical. You have an insane tendency to compare the incomparible.

 

[HiraanBorn]

@Angelina I can't lie abaayo but I have always noticed you have clear issues with men's actions (especially Somali) and that you more often than not defend women's actions. Laakin why are you defending this timojileec ajnabi when you wouldn't do the same for your own men?

It screams of self-hate in my opinion and usually I think you are pretty consistent in your views but views can be consistently incorrect. I think your views are being shown to be incorrect, especially concerning this issue.

 

[Angelina]

@Angelina I can't lie abaayo but I have always noticed you have clear issues with men's actions (especially Somali) and that you more often than not defend women's actions. Laakin why are you defending this timojileec ajnabi when you wouldn't do the same for your own men?

It screams of self-hate in my opinion and usually I think you are pretty consistent in your views but views can be consistently incorrect. I think your views are being shown to be incorrect, especially concerning this issue.

I hardly defend the haram actions of women. That isn't fair at all as in this forum men will defend men that sleep around, lie, cheat and the worst of it. Have you seen me defend women doing blatant haram?!

Nah, this isn't coming from a place of self hatred. I've been on this forum for time now. Have you seen me defend ajnabi men? I think most timo jelec and Arabs are worse than Somali men, but one thing i've noticed is that if a Somali girl marries out, there seems to be an obsession with the guys on this forum to find faults in her relationship and say things won't last. Believe me when I say this. If the OP was Somali we would not have this conversation. I'm consistant, but they're not. Really couldn't careless about ajnabi men. I'm not even personally a fan of IR relationships, but the obsession some of the guys here have is crazy to me.

Most normal people will simply engage with the post and understand that the Pakistani OP could be lying or he could be telling the truth, but overanalysing to such an extent you're creating your own version is insane to me.