In somalia yes:siilaanyosmile:
But if halal meat was outlawed in the west you'd be the first to cry...
In somalia yes:siilaanyosmile:
Nah man infact I'd support it cause it's their country that's why I don't care about trump deporting Somalis after all it's his countryBut if halal meat was outlawed in the west you'd be the first to cry...
Because I refuse to just take something a person told me for granted, especially if it's some sheeko xariir from beduins in the Arabian peninsula a millennia ago.
Pride in your history. We were not in darkness before the white man. We have a long history to be proud of.Could you define examples of what constitutes Somalinimo is first
@Justathought
Its a fact that there are and has been Somalis who were not muslims/religious but still dedicate their lives and energy for this country. Are you saying that Michael Mariano who was a christian Somali that dedicated his life for an independent Somalia left his Somalinimo?
This form of radical Salafism that has been manufactured in Saudi and imported to Somalia for the last 30 years is a bigger threat to Somalinimo in my opinion. I have cousins who unfortunately adhere to Wahhabism and they say braindead things like "All muslims belong to one Ummah, I'm closer to some dhegacas in the gulf than to my fellow Somali who is not religious".
I guess we've had different experiences. Many of the ones I know of are heavily in the sunken place. Which is why I asked if there is a medium.There aren't many non-Muslim Somalis to give a decisive answer on this. With that said, my observation about the few I met online and interacted with is that they are more civil and less bigoted than the majority Somalis who would sacrifice their entire ethnicity and country for their clan. Clan bigotry is more corrosive than gaalnimo in my view. At least latter is spiritually corrosive whilst the other is both spiritually and socially corrosive(the clan bigotry).
Personally, a Somali person's faith is a non issue. It is not the first question I ask. If they keep their religious views personal, Somalinimo all the way. I would nominate them to office.
Ethiopia is not a good example. It is literally kept together by force as well as support from the west. A country where 6% of the population rules is a country that will fall apart at some point. Are you a Somali gaal? When I speak of lack of loyalty and ignorance this is what I mean. Ethiopia is a terrible example. Any knowledgeable Somali would know about the treatment of various ethnicities including our own in that country is not something ideal or desirable.Somalis look the same and have the same religion, and yet they have been fighting eachother for decades.
Meanwhile plurastic countries who have a lot more tribes than us and have different religions like Ethiopia for example are a lot more peaceful as their citizens are used to other people being different.
Somalis unfortunately are all the same and now they are fighting to become identical (everyone has to be a salafi/ or only my clan can live here).
I don’t think atheist Somalis have lost touch with their somalinimo it’s more that Salafi Islam is incompatible with secularism.
Our history didn't start in the 90's. Why do you discount our long history? When I say lack of loyalty this is an example.Interesting.
Why did Somali Muslims destroy our country and turn it into an anarchic and inhospitable country where it has been voted “the worst place a mother to live.?” Does Islam and worshipping Allah comes second to them? Do they believe in Somalinimo or Clannism?
Our history begs to differ. We were a tiny group who were a force in the Horn and I'm proud of that. Are you?Diinta leads to diig laan
Our history didn't start in the 90's. Why do you discount our long history? When I say lack of loyalty this is an example.
You have 2 extremes i.e Some Somalis who discount their history and believe we were all grave worshipping savages before the Saudi doctrine reached our shores vs Some Somali atheists who think we were Muslims Savages who have no history to be proud of.
Surely there is a medium?
And Islam and Somalinimo does come second to Somalis. That's why we're in the mess we are today.
Our history begs to differ. We were a tiny group who were a force in the Horn and I'm proud of that. Are you?
Adoonka
Sxb, you are right, our history didn't start with the tribal anarchy and we had a long history where Somalis were tolerant of each other and the non-Muslim Somalis, be they Christians and Atheists trained as Military officers and in other fields in East and Western countries were the most patriotic Somalis. However, since 1990, many claim Somalis became closer to their religion and closer "to their God" and the overwhelming majority practice it till today. The patriotism was replaced by destructive and evil tribal forces by these religious people, why?
The two extremes that has destroyed Somalia are religious-tribal Somalis and their co-religious brethren, Alshabab. The latter (a puritanical 7th Century Islam in practice) proved that Somalis aren't really interested in Islam or to live like Mohamed did, but they are prepared to live in a hell-hole they created and will die for their clan's interest. Some years ago, I volunteered to work with an agency that built wells for the nomads and the intention of the project was to keep these warring clans apart by utilising their own wells. Not Islam and neither Somalinimo could make them cooperate and tolerate one another. To cut a long story short, the initial start of the project became problematic and was delayed many times as each clan urged (via violent threats towards staff) that the project should be started in their zone. There were other clan middle men whose sole intention was to steal and appropriate the machinery and everything saleable in the markets. There were threats of Alshabaab hanging on these staff's shoulders. It was a situation of a Stone Age like mentality and all of these people prayed. Are these savages your Somali patriots who uphold Somalinimo? How? Islam as practiced purely by Alshabab is savagery and Somali clannism is evil too, the two are two sides of the same coin. Let's return that cursed place and it's people when Somalis tolerated one another, worshipped less and were more productive and self-sufficient than currently and Somalinimo was on it's peak. Let's take baby-steps to get rid of these evil ideologies (intolerant-Islam and Clannism) and utilise every Somali to rebuild it. Or, let Sheikh so and so and illiterate odeyaasha dhaqanka turn it further into a hell-hole that would be impossible to fix it.
Is that the cushitic history of the cursed Kush in the biblical story that others labelled you and is/was (now too) based the slavery and colonisation and of racism today? Are you celebrating being the progeny of a cursed "black" fella?
If not that history, a smart person who has lost everything doesn't dwell in the past to feel good, but will attempt all in h/her power not sink deeper into the abyss. Sxb, get off from your high horse and let's try to fix that hell-hole together.
I made a mistakeعودبالله
I was reading many books but my english won't be great but I will do it fi sabilliah for you to understand.
The meaning of Salaf is like path or way but in regards to Salaf it means those who came before like the Prophet, sahabah, or the students of the sahabah the word salafi can be used like but rather a better word called Athari.
But this has very long back story during the time of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab, he lived when the Ottomans committed there Biddah in the Muslim world mainly in hejaz, Yammah (najd) and more places. Continue on the Ottomans were of Maturidi and Ashariyyah background. Reading the works of sheikh al Islam ibn taymiyyah he spread this knowledge with everyone no one like it. They rejected, because it was considered extreme.
I told why they deem "salafism/wahhabism" extreme because they deny those who came before who have used the quran and sunnah properly.
Do you think our history starAddoonka
Sxb thanks for bringing my attention to my mistake, it was addressed towards Just A Thought and if it made you offended, my apologies.
There is no such thing as a somali born in Somalia that's atheist btw Somalia has been muslim for as long as Islam has existed our dhaqan language everything is related to Islam so stop making this nonsensical argumentwhat kind of question is this? of course not kaafirnimo does not lead to dhiig laa'an. Because islam is only an idealogy, a belief system. Islam is not what the entire somali dhaqan is right?
but what does make you a self hater is not loving your dhaqan, luuqad, dadkaaga etc. if not being muslim is the same as not being somali, then what were our
ancestors?many of them were non muslim for sure...
the reason you believe this is because you have only probably met the western born somali atheist who are liberal and dont follow cultural norms. If you met a somali born in somalia who was an atheist, you'd definetly consider them somali.
i was only speaking theoretically btw. And yes of course there are somalis born in somalia who are atheist, they might only be in the 100s but their are some, there has to be. And you know before the 80s our culture wasnt crazy like this and many people didnt practise back then. My argument is 100% right, you only think those non muslim somalis arent somali enough because you believe being somali is just being a muslim arab bootyclapper, tragic.Do you think our history star
There is no such thing as a somali born in Somalia that's atheist btw Somalia has been muslim for as long as Islam has existed our dhaqan language everything is related to Islam so stop making this nonsensical argument
Non practicing isn't the same as an atheist before the 80s Somalis were still muslim it's not Arab bootyclapping that's just a fact btw this argument won't go anywhere so I'm just gonna tell yout his say you're a gaal in Somalia or insult the prophet and see what happens and you'll know if being Somali is the same as being a Muslimi was only speaking theoretically btw. And yes of course there are somalis born in somalia who are atheist, they might only be in the 100s but their are some, there has to be. And you know before the 80s our culture wasnt crazy like this and many people didnt practise back then. My argument is 100% right, you only think those non muslim somalis arent somali enough because you believe being somali is just being a muslim arab bootyclapper, tragic.
And i would also like to say that arab bootyclappers are as much self haters like atheists.
Adoonka
Sxb, you are right, our history didn't start with the tribal anarchy and we had a long history where Somalis were tolerant of each other and the non-Muslim Somalis, be they Christians and Atheists trained as Military officers and in other fields in East and Western countries were the most patriotic Somalis. However, since 1990, many claim Somalis became closer to their religion and closer "to their God" and the overwhelming majority practice it till today. The patriotism was replaced by destructive and evil tribal forces by these religious people, why?
The two extremes that has destroyed Somalia are religious-tribal Somalis and their co-religious brethren, Alshabab. The latter (a puritanical 7th Century Islam in practice) proved that Somalis aren't really interested in Islam or to live like Mohamed did, but they are prepared to live in a hell-hole they created and will die for their clan's interest. Some years ago, I volunteered to work with an agency that built wells for the nomads and the intention of the project was to keep these warring clans apart by utilising their own wells. Not Islam and neither Somalinimo could make them cooperate and tolerate one another. To cut a long story short, the initial start of the project became problematic and was delayed many times as each clan urged (via violent threats towards staff) that the project should be started in their zone. There were other clan middle men whose sole intention was to steal and appropriate the machinery and everything saleable in the markets. There were threats of Alshabaab hanging on these staff's shoulders. It was a situation of a Stone Age like mentality and all of these people prayed. Are these savages your Somali patriots who uphold Somalinimo? How? Islam as practiced purely by Alshabab is savagery and Somali clannism is evil too, the two are two sides of the same coin. Let's return that cursed place and it's people when Somalis tolerated one another, worshipped less and were more productive and self-sufficient than currently and Somalinimo was on it's peak. Let's take baby-steps to get rid of these evil ideologies (intolerant-Islam and Clannism) and utilise every Somali to rebuild it. Or, let Sheikh so and so and illiterate odeyaasha dhaqanka turn it further into a hell-hole that would be impossible to fix it.
Is that the cushitic history of the cursed Kush in the biblical story that others labelled you and is/was (now too) based the slavery and colonisation and of racism today? Are you celebrating being the progeny of a cursed "black" fella?
If not that history, a smart person who has lost everything doesn't dwell in the past to feel good, but will attempt all in h/her power not sink deeper into the abyss. Sxb, get off from your high horse and let's try to fix that hell-hole together.
Islam is closely entwined with the Somali Dhaqan TODAY. Most Somalis merely hypothesize about our previous history. We don't know what it was for a fact. Not sure what the point is of bringing up people who lived more than a millenia ago and how that effects how we live today. Some of yall lack reading comprehension. My 1st post was about the observation I made about Somali gaals and their worship of the west. Can you love your people while looking up to the people who seek to actively destroy them?what kind of question is this? of course not kaafirnimo does not lead to dhiig laa'an. Because islam is only an idealogy, a belief system. Islam is not what the entire somali dhaqan is right?
but what does make you a self hater is not loving your dhaqan, luuqad, dadkaaga etc. if not being muslim is the same as not being somali, then what were our
ancestors?many of them were non muslim for sure...
the reason you believe this is because you have only probably met the western born somali atheist who are liberal and dont follow cultural norms. If you met a somali born in somalia who was an atheist, you'd definetly consider them somali.
Most of the people in Somalia are Muslims, how is that they're in conflict? Of course you'll say clanism but if lack of diin lead to diiglaan what about having a diin?