Nilotic
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African Nations have resources beyond just oil and gas and could have used those resources as engines of economic growth.
Please explain why gene editing is necessary for getting us out of our predicament.
Do African 'leaders' actually want Africa to grow
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African Nations have resources beyond just oil and gas and could have used those resources as engines of economic growth.
Please explain why gene editing is necessary for getting us out of our predicament.
The ability to create populations smarter than anyone in history is going to help Africa catch up to the 1st world.
Nilotic
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I want a political system that is significantly more technocratic, however, it should allow the people to have regulated inputs.
It sounds counter-intuitive, but perhaps the best solution for Africa's problems is to campaign for the removal of elections for candidates at all levels of Government and replace it with sortition -- jury-duty applied to politics.
Elections would still take place but they would be for platforms and policies instead of politicians and personalities.
My writings on the matter:
Nilotic
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Assuming that it works...what would stop the rest of the world from using the gene editing technology and enhancing their established lead?
These Advances in Tech are going to allow the gaps between human groups to close, and is going to lead unconditional convergence, with the the standards of living throughout the world become more or less the same by the end of the 21st century/beginning of the 22nd
Because African men are
A) Dumb.
B) Cowards.
I don't know which is worse, when you take a look at the Asian continent, it offers a stark contrast to Africa.
Japan was the first non-white nation to industrialise and defeat a European nation in war, it took them roughly 40 years to achieve this. They did this by sending dignitaries to the west to observe how they functioned, why didn't Africa do this? They also imported foreigners with the technical know how to operate machinery and build infrastructure, all this while being sanctioned by the west. Japan was then subsequently destroyed by nuclear bombs and an alliance led by the U.S backed by the U.K and it's colonies. The Europeans knew exactly what was going to happen to Asia once Japan took over, imagine China today in the 1960's, Korea was undergoing a transformation in its economy, imagine Vietnam fully developed by the 70's. If this trend continued Europe would have been eclipsed by a united Asian economic union.
Why didn't an African nation at least attempt this in the early 1900's? (who cares if they failed, its the thought that counts) No idea.
The Vietnamese had more bombs dropped on their nation than the entire Pacific war of WWII. Their nation was burnt down, was a experimental staging ground for chemical weapons and yet they prevailed against the U.S military machine. When has a African nation sacrificed themselves for freedom to that magnitude? Africans get killed a lot for sure, but its hardly ever for noble reasons, its more for intimidation tactics, which always worked, at least for the most part. Asians probably got killed at a rate of 10 to every African, and that's still probably an underestimate.
South Korea wasn't supposed to develop like how it is today, the IMF and the west was very displeased to see South Korea get into the electronics and chemical/pharmaceutical industry and actively sought to sabotage their progress. Asians didnt develop because they're white adjacent, people under estimate how much racism and genocide they went through, Chinese opium wars, Phillipine massacres, Korean war etc like Africa they were considered colonies too, an inferior people to be ruled by Europeans.
In 1985, the plaza accord occurred. The plaza accord was the event of the U.S manipulating it's currency because Japan was about to overtake it on the international economic front. The U.S couldn't compete under the rules of international trade that it had an outsized influence in and resorted to currency manipulation to down their economic rival Japan.
China won't repeat Japan's mistake;
www.globaltimes.cn
Why am bringing this up? The fact of the matter is African men are nothing like Asian men, they do not have the heart, discipline, smarts and brutal efficiency to compete on the global stage, its a cold hard truth. Whites didn't accept Asians into the global club because they wanted to, they did it because they had no choice but to acknowledge them. What Africa needs is a revolution of the highest order, something never done before, something that will be noted on the history books forever. If Africans keep going like this 'why are our leaders doing this' then we deserve everything coming our way.
A) Dumb.
B) Cowards.
I don't know which is worse, when you take a look at the Asian continent, it offers a stark contrast to Africa.
Japan was the first non-white nation to industrialise and defeat a European nation in war, it took them roughly 40 years to achieve this. They did this by sending dignitaries to the west to observe how they functioned, why didn't Africa do this? They also imported foreigners with the technical know how to operate machinery and build infrastructure, all this while being sanctioned by the west. Japan was then subsequently destroyed by nuclear bombs and an alliance led by the U.S backed by the U.K and it's colonies. The Europeans knew exactly what was going to happen to Asia once Japan took over, imagine China today in the 1960's, Korea was undergoing a transformation in its economy, imagine Vietnam fully developed by the 70's. If this trend continued Europe would have been eclipsed by a united Asian economic union.
Why didn't an African nation at least attempt this in the early 1900's? (who cares if they failed, its the thought that counts) No idea.
The Vietnamese had more bombs dropped on their nation than the entire Pacific war of WWII. Their nation was burnt down, was a experimental staging ground for chemical weapons and yet they prevailed against the U.S military machine. When has a African nation sacrificed themselves for freedom to that magnitude? Africans get killed a lot for sure, but its hardly ever for noble reasons, its more for intimidation tactics, which always worked, at least for the most part. Asians probably got killed at a rate of 10 to every African, and that's still probably an underestimate.
South Korea wasn't supposed to develop like how it is today, the IMF and the west was very displeased to see South Korea get into the electronics and chemical/pharmaceutical industry and actively sought to sabotage their progress. Asians didnt develop because they're white adjacent, people under estimate how much racism and genocide they went through, Chinese opium wars, Phillipine massacres, Korean war etc like Africa they were considered colonies too, an inferior people to be ruled by Europeans.
In 1985, the plaza accord occurred. The plaza accord was the event of the U.S manipulating it's currency because Japan was about to overtake it on the international economic front. The U.S couldn't compete under the rules of international trade that it had an outsized influence in and resorted to currency manipulation to down their economic rival Japan.
China won't repeat Japan's mistake;
China won’t repeat Japan’s Plaza Accord mistake - Global Times
Why am bringing this up? The fact of the matter is African men are nothing like Asian men, they do not have the heart, discipline, smarts and brutal efficiency to compete on the global stage, its a cold hard truth. Whites didn't accept Asians into the global club because they wanted to, they did it because they had no choice but to acknowledge them. What Africa needs is a revolution of the highest order, something never done before, something that will be noted on the history books forever. If Africans keep going like this 'why are our leaders doing this' then we deserve everything coming our way.
Nilotic
VIP
Because African men are
A) Dumb.
B) Cowards.
I don't know which is worse, when you take a look at the Asian continent, it offers a stark contrast to Africa.
Japan was the first non-white nation to industrialise and defeat a European nation in war, it took them roughly 40 years to achieve this. They did this by sending dignitaries to the west to observe how they functioned, why didn't Africa do this? They also imported foreigners with the technical know how to operate machinery and build infrastructure, all this while being sanctioned by the west. Japan was then subsequently destroyed by nuclear bombs and an alliance led by the U.S backed by the U.K and it's colonies. The Europeans knew exactly what was going to happen to Asia once Japan took over, imagine China today in the 1960's, Korea was undergoing a transformation in its economy, imagine Vietnam fully developed by the 70's. If this trend continued Europe would have been eclipsed by a united Asian economic union.
Why didn't an African nation at least attempt this in the early 1900's? (who cares if they failed, its the thought that counts) No idea.
The Vietnamese had more bombs dropped on their nation than the entire Pacific war of WWII. Their nation was burnt down, was a experimental staging ground for chemical weapons and yet they prevailed against the U.S military machine. When has a African nation sacrificed themselves for freedom to that magnitude? Africans get killed a lot for sure, but its hardly ever for noble reasons, its more for intimidation tactics, which always worked, at least for the most part. Asians probably got killed at a rate of 10 to every African, and that's still probably an underestimate.
South Korea wasn't supposed to develop like how it is today, the IMF and the west was very displeased to see South Korea get into the electronics and chemical/pharmaceutical industry and actively sought to sabotage their progress. Asians didnt develop because they're white adjacent, people under estimate how much racism and genocide they went through, Chinese opium wars, Phillipine massacres, Korean war etc like Africa they were considered colonies too, an inferior people to be ruled by Europeans.
In 1985, the plaza accord occurred. The plaza accord was the event of the U.S manipulating it's currency because Japan was about to overtake it on the international economic front. The U.S couldn't compete under the rules of international trade that it had an outsized influence in and resorted to currency manipulation to down their economic rival Japan.
China won't repeat Japan's mistake;
China won’t repeat Japan’s Plaza Accord mistake - Global Times
Why am bringing this up? The fact of the matter is African men are nothing like Asian men, they do not have the heart, discipline, smarts and brutal efficiency to compete on the global stage, its a cold hard truth. Whites didn't accept Asians into the global club because they wanted to, they did it because they had no choice but to acknowledge them. What Africa needs is a revolution of the highest order, something never done before, something that will be noted on the history books forever. If Africans keep going like this 'why are our leaders doing this' then we deserve everything coming our way.
The cold, hard truth.
We have to change everything about us.
What political/economic system Africa should embark on is a moot point, communism, socialism, capitalism, who cares? The Soviet Union - Russia - produced and procured cutting edge military and civilian technology which at the time had capabilities beyond the reach of everyone else (first to send a satellite and man to space). All this while decades ago Russia was a mere backwater of serfs and farmers. What Africa requires is men like Mao Zedong, Stalin, Otto Von Bismarck, George Washington etc.
Africa needs a massive cultural transformation, a high-tech industry (aviation, both civil and military, and navy), in other words pure industrial production/output. I don't care if it takes some dictator who'll put millions in the ground to achieve this cause let's be real, most revolutionary leaders had no need for morals or ethics but results, if you're going to embark on something like this, your hands are going to get dirty. The question is, do we have the intelligence and discipline to achieve this? Either way you answer, we have a long way to go.
If a Congolese Bismarck came to power, he'd get called a warlord, sanctioned by the UN and then taken to the Hague.
Violent uprisings in Africa solving our problems is unlikely
@Nilotic
African leaders are incompetent leeches that need to be locked away forever due to the crimes they have committed against their people.
You have previously suggested a solution to combat this. I don’t remember clearly but it was something along that africans create a culture of resistance and self-determination, primarily targeting kids.
This culture essentially would protect africans from corrupt leaders holding them responsible if they f*ck up.
I agree with you partially. Africans need to develop a culture of resistance and self determination but to implement this we need good leaders.
Leaders are in my opinion essential in making countries strong and independent. We will need them in the future
African leaders are incompetent leeches that need to be locked away forever due to the crimes they have committed against their people.
You have previously suggested a solution to combat this. I don’t remember clearly but it was something along that africans create a culture of resistance and self-determination, primarily targeting kids.
This culture essentially would protect africans from corrupt leaders holding them responsible if they f*ck up.
I agree with you partially. Africans need to develop a culture of resistance and self determination but to implement this we need good leaders.
Leaders are in my opinion essential in making countries strong and independent. We will need them in the future
Nilotic
VIP
I essentially agree with all of that, except for the part about banking on brilliant individuals to get us out of this quandary.
We should socialise Nation and Sovereignty affirming ideologies; the Nation should be governed by institutions instead of individuals, because institutions are enduring.
I would go so far as to institute compulsory classes on realpolitik, history and the economic interests of the Nation in every university and vocational course.
Our positions and conclusions are virtually identical; I'm surprised we didn't interact on this matter before.
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I think African leaders want to improve Africa but they also want to improve their pocket.
I find it hard to believe that any African leader does not have his people somewhat in mind. The problem is that many of them have different ways of how to improve their country than common sense would dictate.
I find it hard to believe that any African leader does not have his people somewhat in mind. The problem is that many of them have different ways of how to improve their country than common sense would dictate.
Other than Egypt which failed to industrialise because they lacked native sources of coal, every other African country lacked the pre-existing infrastructure base that Japan had before the Meiji Era, and had no economic development to foster an industrial revolution. You can’t industrialise when you have a feudal level of social structures, with a basically illiterate population(e.g. Ethiopia).
Edo period Japan had major highways, bridges, a postal service, lighthouses, civil engineering, and other advanced public infrastructure and services. It had banks and a financial industry that could capitalize investment. Edo, just one city, had a higher urban population than every Sub Saharan African country combined, with a population of 1 million(making it the biggest city in the world at a time).
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Nilotic
VIP
The system I advocated for is called Sortition; it can only work within the framework of a cultural revolution and it will require leaders to put it in place; it would have to start out in an unofficial capacity before it can capture the State.
Everything you have said is par the course, Asia has gone through that and more. Did you know Mao Zedang told his people that the U.S might unleash nuclear bombs on their major cities? And he was right, the American top brass were considering this;
Amid the utmost secrecy, top aides of President Lyndon B. Johnson agonized during the early months of 1964 over a single, preoccupying national security issue: Should the United States bomb China to stop it from becoming a nuclear power?
“I’m for this,” scrawled Johnson’s national security advisor, McGeorge Bundy, on one memo about a possible preemptive strike that might cripple Chinese nuclear installations.
The Joint Chiefs of Staff studied options for military action, including the use of U.S. nuclear weapons. The CIA plotted covert action against China’s test facilities at Lop Nor. American officials even sounded out the Soviet Union about collaborating to stop China from getting the bomb
Mao received full support from his people, by 1964 China achieved a modest arsenal of nuclear weaponry to deter western aggression, they achieved real Independance.