Do African 'leaders' actually want Africa to grow

[Macalin dheerow]

Africa might actually need to just industrialise key industries that they
control.


A little history lesson


The country I reside in, Finland industrialised due to the production of wood and paper. More then 100 years ago people lived in huts here.

What happened, was that other europeans came and with some finns made plants based on wood and other resources easily available in the country. The foreigners essentially kickstarted the industrialisation by bringing in the needed knowledge and capital.


The excess capital they got was invested on other ventures, mainly on other types of plants, for example textile plants.

The owners of the plants then invested in their neighbourhood by building schools and hospital to keep their workers happy.

From exporting resources the finns started to export finished goods after gaining enough capital.



Africa needs to industrialise so they can progress.


I will give you guys an example

Ghana is the 2nd largest producer of cocoa in the world. Cocoa is more then 100 billion dollar industry in which Ghana sees fraction of the profits.

Ghanas president has announced they will build plants to export the finished cocoa products, significantly gaining more profits and control over the industry.

If Ghana succeds in gaining control of the production, it will kickstart its industrialisation.

Ghanas diaspora could potentially do this. They have a big diaspora and just by investing in to few plants would create a domino effect.

 

[Nilotic]

Other than Egypt which failed to industrialise because they lacked native sources of coal, every other African country lacked the pre-existing infrastructure base that Japan had before the Meiji Era, and had no economic development to foster an industrial revolution. You can’t industrialise when you have a feudal level of social structures, with a basically illiterate population(e.g. Ethiopia).

Edo period Japan had major highways, bridges, a postal service, lighthouses, civil engineering, and other advanced public infrastructure and services. It had banks and a financial industry that could capitalize investment. Edo, just one city, had a higher urban population than every Sub Saharan African country combined, with a population of 1 million(making it the biggest city in the world at a time).

The Japanese were also financed by prominent Western financiers like Jacob Schiff; Vietnam likely would have failed against the United States without the massive aid provided by the Soviets.

 

[Chase]

Other than Egypt which failed to industrialise because they lacked native sources of coal, every other African country lacked the pre-existing infrastructure base that Japan had before the Meiji Era, and had no economic development to foster an industrial revolution. You can’t industrialise when you have a feudal level of social structures, with a basically illiterate population(e.g. Ethiopia).

Edo period Japan had major highways, bridges, a postal service, lighthouses, civil engineering, and other advanced public infrastructure and services. It had banks and a financial industry that could capitalize investment. Edo, just one city, had a higher urban population than every Sub Saharan African country combined, with a population of 1 million(making it the biggest city in the world at a time).

Wooden castles and stone bridges are not equivalent to railroads, factories, machinery operating centres etc. Japan was backwards thanks to their constant civil wars and samurai culture which stifled their growth. It was their wisdom to admit their culture was not enough to compete with the Europeans that opened the door to modernizing Japan, they had the courage and conviction to get things done at the expense of their lives, we didn't.

The Meiji restoration is one of the most impressive cases of how a society can transcend the entire industrial revolution in 40 years. Just incredible focus and raw determination, what the Japanese achieved is a historic feat, you can't take that away from them.

 

[Nilotic]

I think African leaders want to improve Africa but they also want to improve their pocket.

I find it hard to believe that any African leader does not have his people somewhat in mind. The problem is that many of them have different ways of how to improve their country than common sense would dictate.

I see no evidence that African 'leaders' actually have an iota of concern for their people; I guarantee you that they would destroy any endeavour that allowed the people to claw their way out of poverty...

..They would lay waste to critical infrastructure -- just like Mobutu Sese Seko in the DRC; he feared that his people would use the roads to overthrow him, so he destroyed them.

African 'leaders' are literally evil.

 

[Chase]

I see no evidence that African 'leaders' actually have an iota of concern for their people; I guarantee you that they would destroy any endeavour that allowed the people to claw their way out of poverty...

..They would lay waste to critical infrastructure -- just like Mobutu Sese Seko in the DRC; he feared that his people would use the roads to overthrow him, so he destroyed them.

African 'leaders' are literally evil.

'B-but guns, g-germs and steel'

 

[Nilotic]

If a Congolese Bismarck came to power, he'd get called a warlord, sanctioned by the UN and then taken to the Hague.

Violent uprisings in Africa solving our problems is unlikely

This actually happened, but the man (Patrice Lumumba) wasn't violent and he wasn't taken to the Hague... he was murdered by the United States, the UN and Belgium.

 

[Nilotic]

Because the gulf states native arabs population did not rebel against the Kings. Eventually the rulers get bored of buy new cars and mansions, so they then uses the rest the money to build up the country. This keeps the population happy plus bring prestige to the country which the Arab rulers like. Also the gulf has a small population compare to the amount of oil they have so they are able to uplift the native Arab populations living standards very easily.

The problem with Africa is the leaders are constantly replaced. Their position is not guaranteed, so the new leader then tries to make as much wealth from the country as soon as possible because he knows he will be eventually be overthrown no matter what he does.

It's the other way round, mate.

African 'leaders' literally have the longest tenure in office in the world; you have leaders that remain in place for as long as 40 years.

African dictators always use sham elections to provide themselves with democratic legitimacy and unearned mandates that span 3 to 4 decades. We need to remove the election of candidates and create a political system that is contingent on institutions instead of individuals.

 

[FOBish]

Because African men are

A) Dumb.

B) Cowards.

I don't know which is worse, when you take a look at the Asian continent, it offers a stark contrast to Africa.

Japan was the first non-white nation to industrialise and defeat a European nation in war, it took them roughly 40 years to achieve this. They did this by sending dignitaries to the west to observe how they functioned, why didn't Africa do this? They also imported foreigners with the technical know how to operate machinery and build infrastructure, all this while being sanctioned by the west. Japan was then subsequently destroyed by nuclear bombs and an alliance led by the U.S backed by the U.K and it's colonies. The Europeans knew exactly what was going to happen to Asia once Japan took over, imagine China today in the 1960's, Korea was undergoing a transformation in its economy, imagine Vietnam fully developed by the 70's. If this trend continued Europe would have been eclipsed by a united Asian economic union.

Why didn't an African nation at least attempt this in the early 1900's? (who cares if they failed, its the thought that counts) No idea.

The Vietnamese had more bombs dropped on their nation than the entire Pacific war of WWII. Their nation was burnt down, was a experimental staging ground for chemical weapons and yet they prevailed against the U.S military machine. When has a African nation sacrificed themselves for freedom to that magnitude? Africans get killed a lot for sure, but its hardly ever for noble reasons, its more for intimidation tactics, which always worked, at least for the most part. Asians probably got killed at a rate of 10 to every African, and that's still probably an underestimate.

South Korea wasn't supposed to develop like how it is today, the IMF and the west was very displeased to see South Korea get into the electronics and chemical/pharmaceutical industry and actively sought to sabotage their progress. Asians didnt develop because they're white adjacent, people under estimate how much racism and genocide they went through, Chinese opium wars, Phillipine massacres, Korean war etc like Africa they were considered colonies too, an inferior people to be ruled by Europeans.

In 1985, the plaza accord occurred. The plaza accord was the event of the U.S manipulating it's currency because Japan was about to overtake it on the international economic front. The U.S couldn't compete under the rules of international trade that it had an outsized influence in and resorted to currency manipulation to down their economic rival Japan.

China won't repeat Japan's mistake;

China won’t repeat Japan’s Plaza Accord mistake - Global Times

www.globaltimes.cn

Why am bringing this up? The fact of the matter is African men are nothing like Asian men, they do not have the heart, discipline, smarts and brutal efficiency to compete on the global stage, its a cold hard truth. Whites didn't accept Asians into the global club because they wanted to, they did it because they had no choice but to acknowledge them. What Africa needs is a revolution of the highest order, something never done before, something that will be noted on the history books forever. If Africans keep going like this 'why are our leaders doing this' then we deserve everything coming our way.

It is so depressing reading your post, honestly, if only Africans admit their shortcoming it may make difference, wallahi, when the Taliban came back to Kabul some Somali were saying that alx will never like that, or if Somalia is not careful we will be like Yemen, and shit like that..like come on they don't even admit we are in a shithole of a country.

 

[HiraanBorn]

It is so depressing reading your post, honestly, if only Africans admit their shortcoming it may make difference, wallahi, when the Taliban came back to Kabul some Somali were saying that alx will never like that, or if Somalia is not careful we will be like Yemen, and shit like that..like come on they don't even admit we are in a shithole of a country.

The sad thing is most people don't like being told or realising that they are failing in life. Some can acknowledge it and try to do something but others simply ignore it and do nothing.

The greatest people in history always acknowledged their shortcomings and strived to overcome them, a few succeeded and some did not. It is not easy.

 

[Nilotic]

Periplus

I know that leaders like Thomas Sankara, Patrice Lumumba and Seretse Khama cared for their people, but they are the exception and not the rule.

 

[Nilotic]

 

[shamrock]

Periplus

I know that leaders like Thomas Sankara, Patrice Lumumba and Seretse Khama cared for their people, but they are the exception and not the rule.

it's rare for people i like them to show up in africa cause the west keeps killing them

 

[Calaf]

Thomas Sankara, pan-African icon who wanted to 'decolonise minds'

"Sankara is a whole philosophy, a way of thinking and being, a way of life. Sankara is a pride of Africa," high-school teacher Serge Ouedraogo said.

www.monitor.co.ug

But yet, killed by the same person who he called a friend. Africans ain't going forwards politically for a simple reason, backstabbing and dictatorship.

 

[Hared]

when you have beautiful all year round weather like most of black africa has, soil like you just throw a seed and out it sprouts, lakes, rivers and ocean with unpertubed fish voluntarily turnimg up on your shores, livestock in abundance that in some places it is literally part of the family. wild fruits literally falling from trees sometimes you wonder why the f*ck does this white race coming from those horrible cold places that forced him to run wild globally just to survive at one time dragging me from my semi bliss to work on his distant fields and now trying to force down his horrible urbanised. polluted slavish, robotic way of live down my throat in the name of development keep bothering me. if they left me on my own i will develop at my pace and needs.
after all necessity also forces a realignment and i would willingly adapt then

 

[reer]

@Nilotic because sub aaharn africans (apart from somalis) are too heterogeneous. people wont trust each other. also democracy and dictatorship are double edged swords. it is extremely hard to lift people up from destituteness to a powerhouse without dictatorship to ignore all the red talr. but dictatorship can turn to crap. and you cant undergo massive rapid development in a democracy. because african democrats are almost always western bootlkckers.

 

[Tambien]

I think a lot of african leaders are nihilists and sociopathic. I don't think all of them are retards, to get to a leadership position in many parts of Africa is often like battle royale, they just don't care anymore.

I don't think westerners could stand to see any african country doing ok like other formerly colonized asian, middle eastern countries. I think its an ego thing that stems from slavery times. When you sell off people who look similar to you, even not from your own ethnicity, people will view just as badly as the slaves you're selling.

 

[Juke]

Other than Egypt which failed to industrialise because they lacked native sources of coal, every other African country lacked the pre-existing infrastructure base that Japan had before the Meiji Era, and had no economic development to foster an industrial revolution. You can’t industrialise when you have a feudal level of social structures, with a basically illiterate population(e.g. Ethiopia).

Edo period Japan had major highways, bridges, a postal service, lighthouses, civil engineering, and other advanced public infrastructure and services. It had banks and a financial industry that could capitalize investment. Edo, just one city, had a higher urban population than every Sub Saharan African country combined, with a population of 1 million(making it the biggest city in the world at a time).

Agreed, people are ignoring the fact these people had high level, organized societies for thousands of years prior to industrialization. To this point Sub-Saharans have skipped many steps along the way.

 

[repo]

Many of them grew up in poverty, they are different from you who grew up in the West.

 

[Tambien]

Agreed, people are ignoring the fact these people had high level, organized societies for thousands of years prior to industrialization. To this point Sub-Saharans have skipped many steps along the way.

Africa in the 1800s was more like Europe in the 1000s, 700 years is a blip in human history but its still crucial. They also skipped from the Stone Age straight to the Iron Age, missing about 1500 years of development and they were still stuck in the proto-writing era.

 

[Caaro]

They'd have a bigger pot of money to steal from

those retards are practically sitting on a gold mine of reasouces, it's the richest continent, they simply lack foresight and ambition they are satisfied by eating the European table scraps

This ironically shows that African leaders have more foresight than you guys and aren’t complete idiots.

Think about it, if Africans developed their country, it means more than developing their infrastructure. It means developing their population, educating them, giving them a better QOL.

Now that’s all been done, do you think the african leaders can cash out their investment and start wantonly taking money out the treasury?? Of course not!

The people would obviously be aware of this and immediately take him out of office. Take Somalia for example, Muse Biixi is doing whatever he wants but the people are either too illiterate to be aware, too hungry to care, or too uneducated to know what it really means.

By keeping the population distracted and stupid, you can do what you want to them.