DH response to Faris

[Qeelbax]

In the current era marked by the emergence of 73 sects and various innovations within Islam, the term "Salafi" is now commonly used to describe individuals who adhere to the Pure Aqeedah, following the Quran and Sunnah. It's important to note that "Salafi" is not considered a sect or a distinct group but rather a distinguishing name set apart from those associated with innovations and those deviating from the fundamental tenets of Islam. It signifies a commitment to the authentic teachings of Islam, emphasizing adherence to the Quran and Sunnah, in contrast to groups following innovations or, in extreme cases, engaging in disbelief (kufr).

Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The best people are those of my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then, there will come people after them whose testimony precedes their oaths and their oaths precede their testimony.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6429, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2533

mām al-Barbahārī (rahimahullāh, died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”[1]

1. Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said: “The best generation is my generation than those who come after them and than those who come after them.” (Sahih Al Bukhari 3451)

2. Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said: “I command you to follow my companions, than those who come after them and than those who come after them.” (Tirmidhi 2165, Sahih).

3. Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said: “As for the Ummah of yours, the soundness of Its religious understanding has been placed in Its earliest generations.” (Sunan An Nasa’i).

You are as delusional as Jews thinking Allah swt promised them Palestine

 

[Qeelbax]

my point is simply that there is a group of people known as Salafis. Sheikh Uthaymeen and Sheikh Fawzan both affirmed there is a hizb known as Salafis. Sheikh Fawzan used the term in a positive way and Sheikh Uthaymeen used in a negative way and in fact warned people not to follow the Salafi hizb while he did however urge people to follow the way of the Salaf.

In your opinion, do you think Salafis are the only Muslims that aren’t misguided? Do you think that Salafiyah is the only one of the 72 sects that will be saved?

 

[Qeelbax]

Salafi/Sunni/Ahlul Hadith etc whatever the title may be all describe the only saved sect , when it's said sunnis are the saved sect then that means salafis are the saved sect, that means ahlul hadiith are the saved sect etc

Sunni≠Salafi, Salafis are a new branch of Sunnis.

 

[Omar del Sur]

In your opinion, do you think Salafis are the only Muslims that aren’t misguided? Do you think that Salafiyah is the only one of the 72 sects that will be saved?

Sheikh Uthaymeen in his explanation of 40 Hadith Imam Nawawi said that there is a difference between the way of the salaf and the hizb he called Salafis (he himself called them a hizb).

I think everyone should follow the way of the salaf. If one of us is trying to arrive at the correct opinion on a controversial issue, for example- I think we should try to follow the understanding of the earliest generations and insha'Allah we'll arrive at the correct view.

The hadith itself specifies the saved sect: "All of them are in the Fire Except one sect." He said: "And which is it O Messenger of Allah?" He said: "What I am upon and my Companions.""

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2641 - The Book on Faith - كتاب الإيمان عن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

(btw the website says it's a weak hadith but to my understanding it's actually not... but all this is assuming we're going by the hadith)

So to my understanding... this hadith means we should follow the sunnah and the understanding of the sahaabah. It doesn't mean we follow some super narrow sect based in Saudi Arabia or based around SPUBS and then we label as innovators and in the fire everyone who is outside of our tiny group.

Myself, I like learning from Sheikh Fawzan, Sheikh Ibn Baz, Sheikh Uthaymeen (although I'm working on moving more towards going directly from the classical scholars, which is my real goal). I do not like Faris, I do not like Shamsi, I don't like SPUBS. These two sets of names are actually very different. But- are you in the fire if you don't listen to Sheikh Ibn Baz, Sheikh Fawzan and them??? Am I in the fire because I'm not eating mcdonalds and listening to Faris?

It would be insane to think like that. I definitely think everyone should follow the way of the salaf. But if they want to follow Sheikh Ibn Baz and them specifically I think it's up to them. I don't think Sheikh Ibn Baz and Sheikh Uthaymeen themselves had that sort of extreme sectarian mindset. I suggest people pick a madhhab and study a madhhab. I don't think it's really important either way whether they want to follow those aforementioned Saudi scholars specifically. For people who are shafi'i, I really urge building a connection with the work of Imam Nawawi and especially minhaj at talibeen.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@techsamatar if you object to what I said, what specifically do you object to? just doing a mocking emoji isn't a refutation and it's haraam to mock Muslims btw. this is a problem with some of these types calling themselves Salafis. they are extremely rude and condescending when dealing with other Muslims.

 

[techsamatar]

@techsamatar if you object to what I said, what specifically do you object to? just doing a mocking emoji isn't a refutation and it's haraam to mock Muslims btw. this is a problem with some of these types calling themselves Salafis. they are extremely rude and condescending when dealing with other Muslims.

It has turned into Secterian today due to the Fitna and innovation that has occurred and people deviating from following the Quran and sunnah on the knowledge of the 3 early generations or salafs. So one today has to make himself distinct, we do not base our opinions or whims and desires on the Deen of Allah but what the early Muslims took the Quran and Sunnah as. So you cannot just say follow the Salaf but not ascribe to yourself as a salafi or sit with others that follow the salaf.

And this Saudi obession with salafism having different versions etc is just a myth and coping mechanism which Ahul bidah and Shia have spread, and many other stuff like calling others wahabbi and Madkhali just taking peoples surnames and using it as a slander coz those men did not use their desires and allow worshipping of graves and forms of shirk and rebbling against rulers and the filth the khawarji( killers of uthman/Ali) have caused such as splinter of the ummah.

 

[Galool]

 

[Galool]

 

[Galool]

 

[techsamatar]

Your lost ignorant fool keeping twerking for Ahul Bidah. Did that guy just slander Sudais lol.

No such thing or sect called Madkhali or wahhabi exist, may Allah bless those brothers for their firmness in Quran and sunnah and ways of the Salaf. Only the Rafidhi and the sufis/Ahul bidah slander and use those names since they burn when people who do not follow their whims and desires tell them what they do and practice is not upon Quran and sunnah.

 

[techsamatar]

The tweet below is the view held by Daniel Haqiqatjou towards the people of Sunnah, Hadeeth and Salafiyyah of this era. He belittlingly labels them “Madkhalis” in his attempt to ascribe the Salafis to one of the major scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah of this age, the renowned Imām and scholar of Hadeeth, Rabeeʿ Ibn Hādī Al-Madkhali (may Allah preserve him). So Haqiqatjou has taken it upon himself to demean and revile the Salafis and anyone who praises Shaikh Rabeeʿ or takes from his books, writings, evidence-based refutations and fatwas. Daniel Haqitajou uses the term to intimidate, bully and frighten people from the Salafi Daʿwah, its scholars and callers. This has been the way of Ahlul-Bidʿah throughout history. The grave-worshippers, Sufis and Rāfidah labelled Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Hadeeth (i.e., the Salafis) as “Wahhābis”, which is intended as a derogatory term for those who read, study and benefit from the works of Tawheed and ʿAqeedah of Shaikhul-Islām Muhammad Ibn ʿAbdul-Wahhāb (may Allah’s mercy be upon him).

This method of revilement and belittlement is the way of Ahlul-Bidʿah wal-Ahwā (People of Innovation and Desires) in every age―for this reason the two Imāms of the early Salaf, Abu Hātim and Abu Zurʿah (may Allah’s mercy be upon them) stated: “The distinguishing sign of the people of innovation (Ahlul-Bidʿa) is that they revile Ahlul-Athar (the People of Narrations).”

 

[techsamatar]

Daniel Haqiqatjou

ignorant follower of the Deobandis/Sufi about whom he said, “I am a complete fan of that movement and I’ve had multiple Deobandi teachers… I’m a fanboy, no doubt about it”! It’s no wonder he hasn’t the foggiest idea of the importance of Allah’s istiwā ʿalal-ʿarsh

Keep using the opinion of Ahul bidah and Munafiqs, they thrive on ignorance of Muslims and twitter.

 

[techsamatar]

Furthermore, this ignorant upstart and self-confessed Deobandi fanboy wants Muslims to participate in some sort of backlash against the governments of Muslim countries because according to him the Salafis hold that Muslims “should passively allow governments to implement liberal secularizing policies”. He and his likes want to incite the Muslims into open criticism against the rulers using social media platforms, leading to an escalation in fitnah, demonstrations and another “Arab Spring” style uprising in the Muslim countries, culminating in thousands of deaths as occurred not so long ago in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia and elsewhere―and while this upheaval decimates the Muslims, Daniel Haqiqatjou, Yasir Qadhi, Omer Suleiman and their ilk sit in the comfort of their homes in the US (and the West) sipping their ice-teas in front of devices and digital screens!

There occurs in a narration that: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) mentioned the rulers and the evil rulers, and he mentioned the leaders and the evil leaders. He said that the misguidance of some of them will fill what is between the sky and the earth! So he was asked: “O Messenger of Allah, should we not strike them with the sword?” He replied: “No. So long as they establish the prayer, then no.” (Reported by Al-Imām Nuʿaym Ibn Hammād (died 239H) in Kitāb Al-Fitan, 1/185, no. 491)

The methodology of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamāʿah (i.e., the Salafis) with respect to the rulers is as Al-Imām Ibn Bāz (Allah’s mercy be upon him) stated:

“It is not from the methodology of the early scholars (Salaf) to spread the mistakes and shortcomings of the rulers and to mention that from the pulpits, because that leads to disorder and chaos, and the absence of hearing and obeying the rulers in that which is good―and it leads to delving into affairs that are harmful and not of benefit. Instead, the way of the Salaf was to advise the sultan or ruler, and to write to him, or to inform the scholars who would then convey that advice to the ruler so that he is directed towards goodness. As for forbidding what is wrong without mentioning the name of the wrongdoer, such as forbidding and rebuking fornication, drinking alcohol and usury without mentioning the name of the doer―that is an obligation due to the general proofs [in the Sharīʿah]. And it is sufficient that the sins are refuted and warned against without mentioning the name of the one doing them, not the ruler and nor other than him.” He continued (rahimahullāh), “And when the ignorant Khawārij opened the door of evil in the time of the Caliph ʿUthmān (radiyallāhu ʿanhu), and they criticised him openly, the fitnah became severe, fighting and corruption ensued whose effects upon the people have not ceased till this day.” (Majmooʿ Al-Fatāwā of Ibn Bāz 8/210)

The Messenger of Allah (salallāhu ʿalaihi wasallam) said: “If one of you sees something from the ruler that he hates, let him not publicise it.” This is a clear hadeeth forbidding openly protesting and publicly speaking against the ruler. Then he gave the Muslims a method of correcting the ruler: “Rather you should take the ruler by his hand into seclusion and advise him privately. If he accepts the advice, then that is good. If he refuses, then you have fulfilled your duty.” (Hadeeth reported by Imām Ahmad in al-Musnad 3/403 no. 15369, As-Sunnah of Ibn Abī ʿĀsim 3/102 no. 910, graded sahīh by Al-Albānī and others).

 

[Galool]

Your lost ignorant fool keeping twerking for Ahul Bidah. Did that guy just slander Sudais lol.

No such thing or sect called Madkhali or wahhabi exist, may Allah bless those brothers for their firmness in Quran and sunnah and ways of the Salaf. Only the Rafidhi and the sufis/Ahul bidah slander and use those names since they burn when people who do not follow their whims and desires tell them what they do and practice is not upon Quran and sunnah.

So not only do you openly and without shame say you work for an Israeli software company that likely uses the software to monitor Palestinians, but you are also a madkhali? That is on brand.

Do not speak to people about Islam. You are another example of the rot that is madkhalism.

Another madkhali zionist spotted. This you?

I am employed by a billion-dollar, stock-traded software company headquartered in Israel, founded and owned by Israelis. I work at their UK subsidiary, where we receive technology support from the headquarters and pay them a percentage of the revenue we generate. The company specializes in providing workforce management software and security solutions to all businesses Israel they probably do software to monitor Palestinians who knows.

Ironically, my CEO is about to visit the headquarters to discuss a list of demands for our UK branch. However, the situation took a surprising turn when Hamas invaded Israel, i think it will cause significant disruptions, especially in the procurement of software and hardware.

Do I feel guilt for working with Israelis? Nah. Is it Haram? Don't think so.

If I am on the path to becoming a future Dictator and uniting Somalia, sacrifices will need to be made, and I must elevate to power, and get closer to ones who control the globe behind the curtains.

 

[Galool]

 

[techsamatar]

So not only do you openly and without shame say you work for an Israeli software company that likely uses the software to monitor Palestinians, but you are also a madkhali? That is on brand.

Do not speak to people about Islam. You are another example of the rot that is madkhalism.

Another madkhali zionist spotted. This you?

I work for UK branch we do not have software or hardware for military or industrial complex so keep coping Ahul bidah you Munafiq.

People Like you talk out of your 3 holes with your opinions and feelings, Does this Munafiq even know who Madkhali even was lol, let me guess am wahhabi too? average deviant npcs who pick upon terms from rafidhi and the rest of them deviants.

 

[techsamatar]

Keep referencing this Deobandi sufi lover lol, Wallahi a stray dogs opinion has more weight then this guy. He has already been dealt with: https://abukhadeejah.com/concise-ad...l-haqiqatjou-against-ahlus-sunnah-wal-jamaah/

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Sunni≠Salafi, Salafis are a new branch of Sunnis.

No such thing as branch of sunni, sunni= salafi which means following the quran and sunnah upon understanding of the righteous salaf. Whatever title u want to use wether it's sunni or salafi or ahlul hadiith or athari all refer to same manhaj

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

Everyone says they follow Quran and Sunnah but there are tons of different interpretations of what that actually means in practice. Even the extreme sufis are liable to tell you they're following Quran and Sunnah.

It can only be proven through actions , merely claiming it verbally isn't of any use

Not everyone who is known as a "Salafi" has the same understanding of what "Salafiyyah" consists of. SPUBS and Sheikh Uthaymeen are both known as Salafi but both of them had/have different interpretations of what Salafiyyah is. SPUBS and Sheikh Uthaymeen are way different from each other.

You're only proving my point, just like how not everyone who calls themselves Muslim is Muslim likewise not everyone who calls themselves sunni or salafi is sunni or salafi. Spubs doesn't represent Salafiyyah

Also, there is a group known as "Madkhalis". This is just a fact. Are all the people using the term just hallucinating?? Faris and Shamsi do not represent the same understanding as the likes of Sheikh Ibn Baz.

Yes they're a tribe that reside in Saudi ,notable scholars from that tribe include Shaykh Rabii' Al Madkhali , Shaykh Muhammad bin Hadi Al Madkhali etc.

Yes all those people using the term as it it's a sect or group are misinformed and are all slandering the innocent tribe. They've used the name of a tribe as transformed it into a slur والعياذ بالله , Faris and shamsi aren't scholars they don't represent Salafiyyah

Pretending Sheikh Ibn Baz, Shamsi and directly following the Quran and Sunnah are all the exact same thing is misleading. All three are distinct.

Nobody said that, I don't think you're even concentrating on what's being said , as you're diverting and confusing yourself. How're you mentioning Sheikh bin baz and shamsi in same sentence?

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

In your opinion, do you think Salafis are the only Muslims that aren’t misguided? Do you think that Salafiyah is the only one of the 72 sects that will be saved?

Yes only people who follow quran and sunnah upon understanding of the salaf aren't misguided regardless of the term they use to differentiate and distinguish themselves from people of falsehood