DH response to Faris

[Qeelbax]

What a sad state of affairs. Saudi Nationalism is the best form of Jihad to them. It’s honestly getting harder to differentiate between these guys and the Shias that worship Ali and their Imams.

 

[Qeelbax]

is this how the salaf interacted with other Muslims? if you're really a Salafi you should be a Salafi in how you deal with other Muslims.

According to him we are misguided and well you know what MIAW did to the “misguided” Muslims.

 

[Qeelbax]

It has turned into Secterian today due to the Fitna and innovation that has occurred and people deviating from following the Quran and sunnah on the knowledge of the 3 early generations or salafs. So one today has to make himself distinct, we do not base our opinions or whims and desires on the Deen of Allah but what the early Muslims took the Quran and Sunnah as. So you cannot just say follow the Salaf but not ascribe to yourself as a salafi or sit with others that follow the salaf.

And this Saudi obession with salafism having different versions etc is just a myth and coping mechanism which Ahul bidah and Shia have spread, and many other stuff like calling others wahabbi and Madkhali just taking peoples surnames and using it as a slander coz those men did not use their desires and allow worshipping of graves and forms of shirk and rebbling against rulers and the filth the khawarji( killers of uthman/Ali) have caused such as splinter of the ummah.

I’m a follower of Islam. Muhammed SAW is my messenger and I’m of his ummah. I believe in the Quran and Sunnah and the teachings of the Salaf.

I do not subscribe to the 18th century reformist movement called Salafiyyah and I don’t follow the scholars that emerged through this movement. Therefore I am not a Salafi and you are a jahil for takfiring Muslims for not subscribing to a group who didn’t exist 500 years ago. 500 years ago there was no Salafiyyah.

If you ask me what my madhab is, I will tell you I follow the Shafi’i {And Maliki} madhab. If you ask me what my aqeedah is I will tell you I lean towards the Ashari creed. But I am not a “Shafiyah” or a “Ashariyah”.

I’m a Muslim, period.

 

[Qeelbax]

it’s not salafis it’s muslims who call themselves salafis but are under government control and “obey the ruler no matter what types”

Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be rulers after me whose malevolence will deceive the people. Whoever affirms their lies and helps their wrongdoing, I disavow myself from him and he is disavowed from me. Whoever does not affirm their lies, nor helps their wrongdoing, I am part of him and he is part of me.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 286

Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Albani

 

[Qeelbax]

But that white guy is right. He’s not praising them, he’s just stating their motives. They are after money and investments.

I don’t like guys like Shamsi and I don’t like guys like DH. His approach and demeanor is always inappropriate and immature. I fail to see why mentioning the guy’s past was necessary. I also do not see praise anywhere in his statement. It was the objective truth.

 

[techsamatar]

@Omar del Sur This answers your question.

 

[techsamatar]

Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be rulers after me whose malevolence will deceive the people. Whoever affirms their lies and helps their wrongdoing, I disavow myself from him and he is disavowed from me. Whoever does not affirm their lies, nor helps their wrongdoing, I am part of him and he is part of me.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Ibn Ḥibbān 286

Grade: Sahih li ghayrihi (authentic due to external evidence) according to Al-Albani

I hope your not a Khawariji.

Muslim reported in his Sahīh (1847) from Wā’il Ibn Hujr that: Salamah Ibn Yazeed Al-Ju’fee asked Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ): “O Prophet of Allah, what do we do if we have rulers over us who demand their rights yet they withhold our rights?” He replied: “Listen to them and obey them [regardless]. Upon them is their burden and on you will be your burden.”

Bukhāri (7054) and Muslim (1849) reported from Ibn ‘Abbās (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (ﷺ) said:

“Whoever sees from his leader something that he dislikes, then let him be patient with him because whosoever separates from the jamā’ah (i.e. the body of Muslims in a country) even by a handspan, and then dies in that condition, he will die the death of pre-Islamic ignorance (jāhiliyyah).”

Al-Hāfidh Ibn Hajr said in explanation of this hadeeth that Ibn Abī Jamrah Al-Andulūsi (d. 599H) said:

“The meaning of ‘separation’ is to attempt to break the covenant of allegiance that was attained for this leader — even if one splits away by the smallest degree. So, he gave the similitude of a handspan because even that amount will lead to the spilling of blood without due right.” (Al-Fath 13/7)

It is for this reason that the Imām of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah, Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (d. 241H) stated in his work, Usūlus-Sunnah as is recorded in Sharhu Usūlil-I’tiqād of Al-Lālikā’ee (1/161):

“It is not permissible for anyone among the people to fight the ruler and nor to rise up against him. And whosoever does that is an innovator, upon other than the Sunnah and upon other than the Straight Path.”

Obedience to the ruler, whether he is righteous, pious, sinful or tyrannical is an obligation. Muslim reported in his Sahīh (1836) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (ﷺ) said:

“You are obligated to listen to the ruler and obey him in times of ease and in times of hardship, whether you are pleased or displeased and even when another person is given preference over you (while you were more deserving).”

Muslim also reported (1059) from Anas Ibn Mālik (may Allah be pleased with him) that Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) stated:

“You will see after me severe preferential treatment (to those less deserving than you), so be patient until you meet Allah and you meet His Messenger at the drinking lake (Al-Hawd).” So they responded, “We shall be patient.”


Ibn Abī ‘Āsim reported in As-Sunnah (1026) and Ibn Hibbān in his Sahīh (4062) from ‘Ubādah Ibn Sāmit (may Allah be pleased with him) that Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said:

“Listen to the ruler and obey him when it is hard for you and when it is easy for you, whether you are pleased or displeased, and when others are given preference over you, and even when they consume your wealth and beat your back.” (Delared sahīh by Al-Albāni; see Dhilāl Al-Jannah and At-Ta’līqāt Al-Hisān).

Shaikh Al-Islām Ibn Taymiyyah (may Allah’s mercy be upon him) said: “Being patient with the tyranny of the rulers is a fundamental principle (asl) from the fundamentals of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamā’ah.” (Majmoo’ Al-Fatāwa 28/179) And this saying of Ibn Taymiyyah is in accordance and harmony with the ahādeeth of the Messenger (ﷺ).

Ibn Abī ‘Āsim reported in As-Sunnah (2/508) from ‘Adiyy Ibn Hātim (may Allah be pleased with him) that we said: “O Messenger of Allah, we do not ask you regarding obedience to the ruler who has taqwā (who is pious and who fears Allah), and is good and rectifies. Rather, we are asking about the ruler who does such-and-such and such-and-such?“ And he mentioned their evil traits. So the Prophet (ﷺ) answered: “Fear Allah! Listen to the ruler and obey him.” (Also reported by At-Tabarāni in Al-Kabīr, 17/101, and authenticated by Al-Albāni in Dhilāl Al-Jannah)

Al-Imām Ibn Taymiyyah (d. 728H) stated: “There have not been a people who revolted against their ruler except that their condition after their rebellion was worse than before they rebelled.” (Minhāj As-Sunnah 3/231) Is this not the constant reality of affairs even up until our times? Look at the uprisings and revolutions that have taken place across the Muslim world, between 2008 and 2019. What has been the condition of the people after these uprisings? Death, terror, upheaval and destruction! Yet the political activists and their so-called “liberal” allies call for more and more demonstrations, rallies and revolutions! The Muslims need to wake up and return the Sunnah of their Prophet (ﷺ)! The great Imām of the early Salaf, Yunus Ibn ‘Ubayd, stated: “It is amazing to see a person calling to the Sunnah in our time. And what is more amazing is the one who answers the call to the Sunnah.” (Abu Nu’aym in Hilyatul-Awliyā, 3/21, Ibn Battah in Al-Ibānah, no. 20 and Al-Lālikā’i, nos. 21-23)

Al-Hasan narrated saying: Allah’s Messenger mentioned the rulers and the evil rulers, the leaders and the evil leaders. He mentioned that the misguidance and deviation of some of them will fill what is between the sky and the earth! So he was asked: “O Messenger of Allah, should we not strike them with the sword??” He replied: “No. So long as they the pray the prayer, then no.” (Reported by Al-Imām Nu’aym Ibn Hammād (died 239H) in Kitāb Al-Fitan, 1/185, no. 491)

 

[techsamatar]

@Omar del Sur @Qeelbax Do you agree that Islamic rulers today should be removed and revolted against for not assembling their armies ? some khawariji cosplay as as their target audience no matter sect or Aqedah to rally support for misguidance.

 

[Galool]

But that white guy is right. He’s not praising them, he’s just stating their motives. They are after money and investments.

I don’t like guys like Shamsi and I don’t like guys like DH. His approach and demeanor is always inappropriate and immature. I fail to see why mentioning the guy’s past was necessary. I also do not see praise anywhere in his statement. It was the objective truth.

You need to look at all his statement to understand he is a shill for the UAE/Saudi.

It is not objective truth when he is making excuses for them aligning with zionists and attacking Islam/Muslims as a means to materal gain, that is not acceptable as Muslims.

 

[Omar del Sur]