DH response to Faris

[techsamatar]

That tweet makes no sense, how's following the quran and sunnah a movement? Islam isn't a movement, what other masaajid do you see making dua for Palestine and destruction of the Jews in qunoot in every Salah other than salafi sunni masjids

The people upon ways of Salaf and Quran and sunnah are the only ones who attend masjids in every obligatory salah dua is made against the Yahud/Israel. Something Liberal munafiq bidah lovers are guided away from.

 

[Omar del Sur]

How do you know that he doesn't make dua for Palestine aswell, what he's saying there is still wrong , idk why he's taken serious in 2023

 

[Omar del Sur]

Lol are these Bidah Munafiqs still trying to frame that WW1/2 tweet against faris lol. It was troll account and he did not even tweet it since its so irrelevant and he denied it.

wallahi you are lying. i saw that tweet when he posted it. where did he deny it?

btw are you calling me a munafiq? and an innovator?

this is a big issue... calling people innovators is a big deal and we have this hizb that has spread this ideology where ppl get called innovators left and right like it's a casual thing.

 

[techsamatar]

wallahi you are lying. i saw that tweet when he posted it. where did he deny it?

btw are you calling me a munafiq? and an innovator?

this is a big issue... calling people innovators is a big deal and we have this hizb that has spread this ideology where ppl get called innovators left and right like it's a casual thing.

Ngga was I even reffering to you? didn't you say your upon salaf and a salafi.

 

[techsamatar]

“Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The evilest matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Every Friday Jumah you attend the speakers say this as introduction. So he is right.

 

[Omar del Sur]

That tweet makes no sense, how's following the quran and sunnah a movement? Islam isn't a movement, what other masaajid do you see making dua for Palestine and destruction of the Jews in qunoot in every Salah other than salafi sunni masjids

so salafiyyah doesn't exist, it's a myth?? when Salafi scholars talk about Salafi dawah, Salafi minhaj, they're just hallucinating?

Sheikh Fawzan and Sheikh Uthaymeen both said there is a hizb known as Salafis. Both of them said that. So there is a group of people known as Salafis.

There is also a group within the Salafis that is represented by the likes of SPUBS, Shamsi and Faris. This group is commonly referred to as "Madkhalis". I personally don't agree with that term but it is a real group of people that is being referred to. And I showed in this thread how their version of Salafiyyah is not in fact the same version as for example Sheikh Albani

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/refuting-muslims-during-time-of-war-shaykh-al-albani.157543/

Ok. And this group known as "madkhalis" by which I'm referring to Faris, Shamsi, SPUBS and those similar.... they have tended to be very quiet about Palestine, downplay it, minimize it and then they are shrieking at the top of their lungs about the attack on Shamsi. There is a clear discrepancy.

And as the tweet said, the ideology they have is a rot. A rot is like an infection, an infestation. It hasn't consumed the whole body. Not all Salafis are of the same mindset as Faris and them. But it is an entity within the larger group known as Salafis.

 

[Omar del Sur]

Ngga was I even reffering to you? didn't you say your upon salaf and a salafi.

I said I believe in Salafiyyah, I don't call myself a Salafi and I have avoided using that term for myself. I worry it can be a form of self-praise.

anyways- you said "these Bidah Munafiqs still trying to frame that WW1/2 tweet against faris lol.".... so I guess you are referring to a different group of ppl mentioning that tweet and I am not included.

 

[Omar del Sur]

“Whomever Allah guides, no one can lead him astray. Whomever Allah sends astray, no one can guide him. The truest word is the Book of Allah, and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The evilest matters in religion are those that are newly invented, for every newly invented matter is an innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in the Hellfire.”

Every Friday Jumah you attend the speakers say this as introduction. So he is right.

yes, we should be against bid'ah. that's not the issue that the tweet was talking about.

 

[techsamatar]

so salafiyyah doesn't exist, it's a myth?? when Salafi scholars talk about Salafi dawah, Salafi minhaj, they're just hallucinating?

Sheikh Fawzan and Sheikh Uthaymeen both said there is a hizb known as Salafis. Both of them said that. So there is a group of people known as Salafis.

There is also a group within the Salafis that is represented by the likes of SPUBS, Shamsi and Faris. This group is commonly referred to as "Madkhalis". I personally don't agree with that term but it is a real group of people that is being referred to. And I showed in this thread how their version of Salafiyyah is not in fact the same version as for example Sheikh Albani

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/refuting-muslims-during-time-of-war-shaykh-al-albani.157543/

Ok. And this group known as "madkhalis" by which I'm referring to Faris, Shamsi, SPUBS and those similar.... they have tended to be very quiet about Palestine, downplay it, minimize it and then they are shrieking at the top of their lungs about the attack on Shamsi. There is a clear discrepancy.

And as the tweet said, the ideology they have is a rot. A rot is like an infection, an infestation. It hasn't consumed the whole body. Not all Salafis are of the same mindset as Faris and them. But it is an entity within the larger group known as Salafis.

In the current era marked by the emergence of 73 sects and various innovations within Islam, the term "Salafi" is now commonly used to describe individuals who adhere to the Pure Aqeedah, following the Quran and Sunnah. It's important to note that "Salafi" is not considered a sect or a distinct group but rather a distinguishing name set apart from those associated with innovations and those deviating from the fundamental tenets of Islam. It signifies a commitment to the authentic teachings of Islam, emphasizing adherence to the Quran and Sunnah, in contrast to groups following innovations or, in extreme cases, engaging in disbelief (kufr).

Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The best people are those of my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them. Then, there will come people after them whose testimony precedes their oaths and their oaths precede their testimony.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6429, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2533

mām al-Barbahārī (rahimahullāh, died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He (salallāhu ‘alaihi wasallam) responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”[1]

1. Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said: “The best generation is my generation than those who come after them and than those who come after them.” (Sahih Al Bukhari 3451)

2. Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said: “I command you to follow my companions, than those who come after them and than those who come after them.” (Tirmidhi 2165, Sahih).

3. Prophet (صَلَّى اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ) said: “As for the Ummah of yours, the soundness of Its religious understanding has been placed in Its earliest generations.” (Sunan An Nasa’i).

 

[Omar del Sur]

It's important to note that "Salafi" is not considered a sect or a distinct group but rather a distinguishing name set apart from those associated with innovations and those deviating from the fundamental tenets of Islam.

are you more Salafi than Sheikh Fawzan and Sheikh Uthaymeen? both of them said there is a hizb, there is a group of people known as Salafis. also your post contradicts itself. not only contradicts itself but contradicts the hadith.

you say Salafis are the saved sect of the 73 sects, correct? it's the saved sect but it's not a sect? how can a saved sect not be a sect??? it's a sect but it's not???

anyways, Sheikh Uthaymeen said there is a hizb known as Salafis and he said this while giving his explanation of the 40 hadith of Imam Nawawi:




Sheikh Fawzan says as well it's a hizb

 

[techsamatar]

are you more Salafi than Sheikh Fawzan and Sheikh Uthaymeen? both of them said there is a hizb, there is a group of people known as Salafis. also your post contradicts itself. not only contradicts itself but contradicts the hadith.

you say Salafis are the saved sect of the 73 sects, correct? it's the saved sect but it's not a sect? how can a saved sect not be a sect??? it's a sect but it's not???

anyways, Sheikh Uthaymeen said there is a hizb known as Salafis and he said this while giving his explanation of the 40 hadith of Imam Nawawi:




Sheikh Fawzan says as well it's a hizb

In today's era, adhering to the ways of the Salaf is often perceived as a sect or Hizb. I don't deny this characterization, but it's important to note that those who identify as Salafi are not, by definition, part of the three early generations of Muslims (Salaf). Instead, the term "Salafi" is commonly used to refer to those who follow the pure teachings of Islam as exemplified by the early generations. So, while not being actual members of the Salaf, individuals identifying as Salafi are recognized for their commitment to the fundamentals of Islam as practiced during that time.

So, yes, referring to it as Hizb is a positive thing in today's times; in fact, it is required to distinguish yourself from Ahul Bidah and Rafidhi.

 

[Omar del Sur]

In today's era, adhering to the ways of the Salaf is often perceived as a sect or Hizb. I don't deny this characterization, but it's important to note that those who identify as Salafi are not, by definition, part of the three early generations of Muslims (Salaf). Instead, the term "Salafi" is commonly used to refer to those who follow the pure teachings of Islam as exemplified by the early generations. So, while not being actual members of the Salaf, individuals identifying as Salafi are recognized for their commitment to the fundamentals of Islam as practiced during that time.

So, yes, referring to it as Hizb is a positive thing in today's times; in fact, it is required to distinguish yourself from Ahul Bidah and Rafidhi.

my point is simply that there is a group of people known as Salafis. Sheikh Uthaymeen and Sheikh Fawzan both affirmed there is a hizb known as Salafis. Sheikh Fawzan used the term in a positive way and Sheikh Uthaymeen used in a negative way and in fact warned people not to follow the Salafi hizb while he did however urge people to follow the way of the Salaf.

 

[Omar del Sur]

 

[techsamatar]

Based Original Tweet, True Dawah is the Modern Jihad.

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

so salafiyyah doesn't exist, it's a myth?? when Salafi scholars talk about Salafi dawah, Salafi minhaj, they're just hallucinating?

Sheikh Fawzan and Sheikh Uthaymeen both said there is a hizb known as Salafis. Both of them said that. So there is a group of people known as Salafis.

There is also a group within the Salafis that is represented by the likes of SPUBS, Shamsi and Faris. This group is commonly referred to as "Madkhalis". I personally don't agree with that term but it is a real group of people that is being referred to. And I showed in this thread how their version of Salafiyyah is not in fact the same version as for example Sheikh Albani

No such thing as version of Salafiyyah, you're implying there's different versions of following the quran and sunnah upon understanding of the salaf, Madkhali is a tribe not a group. It's like saying Al Waadi'i for people that take from Shaykh Muqbil Al Waadi'i. You're also implying that only spubs take from sheikh Rabii' Al Madkhali which is false. Whoever is part of a hizb then they're hizbi simple as that

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/refuting-muslims-during-time-of-war-shaykh-al-albani.157543/

Ok. And this group known as "madkhalis" by which I'm referring to Faris, Shamsi, SPUBS and those similar.... they have tended to be very quiet about Palestine, downplay it, minimize it and then they are shrieking at the top of their lungs about the attack on Shamsi. There is a clear discrepancy.

And as the tweet said, the ideology they have is a rot. A rot is like an infection, an infestation. It hasn't consumed the whole body. Not all Salafis are of the same mindset as Faris and them. But it is an entity within the larger group known as Salafis.

No evidence for them being very quiet or downplaying it.

Salafis or sunnis or ahlul hadiith etc whatever synonymous title you want to use, isn't based upon individuals or linked to certain individuals

 

[Banadiri Warrior]

you say Salafis are the saved sect of the 73 sects, correct? it's the saved sect but it's not a sect? how can a saved sect not be a sect??? it's a sect but it's not???

Salafi/Sunni/Ahlul Hadith etc whatever the title may be all describe the only saved sect , when it's said sunnis are the saved sect then that means salafis are the saved sect, that means ahlul hadiith are the saved sect etc

 

[Omar del Sur]

No such thing as version of Salafiyyah, you're implying there's different versions of following the quran and sunnah upon understanding of the salaf

Everyone says they follow Quran and Sunnah but there are tons of different interpretations of what that actually means in practice. Even the extreme sufis are liable to tell you they're following Quran and Sunnah.

Not everyone who is known as a "Salafi" has the same understanding of what "Salafiyyah" consists of. SPUBS and Sheikh Uthaymeen are both known as Salafi but both of them had/have different interpretations of what Salafiyyah is. SPUBS and Sheikh Uthaymeen are way different from each other.

Also, there is a group known as "Madkhalis". This is just a fact. Are all the people using the term just hallucinating?? Faris and Shamsi do not represent the same understanding as the likes of Sheikh Ibn Baz.

Pretending Sheikh Ibn Baz, Shamsi and directly following the Quran and Sunnah are all the exact same thing is misleading. All three are distinct.

 

[Omar del Sur]

irrespective of whether I agree with DH on everything or on the term "Madkhali" itself- he has a point here and notice how Faris and Shamsi were both promoted by enemies of Islam, as DH mentions. Faris was posted by a Zionist propaganda account and here we have Paul Golding promoting Shamsi as a "moderate imam".

I also want to mention- I don't think all "madkhalis" are deliberate traitors, some may be duped.... but there is a reason they keep getting promoted by Zionist and anti-Islam elements.

 

[Qeelbax]

although protesting is still haram

 

[Qeelbax]

wallahi you are lying. i saw that tweet when he posted it. where did he deny it?

btw are you calling me a munafiq? and an innovator?

this is a big issue... calling people innovators is a big deal and we have this hizb that has spread this ideology where ppl get called innovators left and right like it's a casual thing.

I saw that tweet too kulaha fake account.