Crazy Lady beheads another because she saw she insulted Islam in her dream

[Shimbiris]

Even @Shimbiris has a Pseudo Arab with a Turban on​

That's a pure looking Somali oday in the traditional garb of a Somali title holder (see here and here). And since when are turbans not a part of Somali culture:

? Nin cadaan ma isku qadatay? This man out here almost about to use the term "rag head" like even Xabashi priests don't wear turbans:

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[reer]

What have Arabs done for you? They bomb your people support terrorism and actively support Wahabissm to destroy your people. Eebe Waaq is simply Allah in Soomali and is the same God how is that kufr because your Arab daddy told you this? You cant even use your original names anymore, cucked ppl

what have ethiopians done for you? annexing your lands and building churches in ddsi. dont make this politics youre a habeshaphile.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

salafism brainwashed these people, they think its a pillar of islam to defend carabs with their entire life and this energy will never be reciprocated to them.

If you hate Arabs and Arabic so much why practice Islam and praise an Arabic prophet? Might as well become a waaqist looking for the signs of waaq in cows intestines

 

[reer]

Results from KSA funded mosques and lectures and print in the 90s, breeding extremism and wanton beheadings. This is why Siyaad Barre is vindicated for stopping the Wahabbi infilitraiton in the 80s what a hero.

salafism and islamic revivalism entered somalia in the 80s because some circumstances that rocked the muslim world. haram seige and ksa becoming conservative. and ussr invasion of afghanistan. and partly the iranian revolution.

 

[Shimbiris]

Regardless of whether Arabia is right next to us, we did have our own identity and religion before Christianity/Islam but decided to throw it away for Abrahamic Middle Eastern ones.

As Somali's... we were Waaqist for far longer than muslims. It's such a shame that our ancestors were so easy to manipulate and influence.

There is no proof that Somalis were converted through any sort of coercion or violence. I wouldn't doubt some internal jihads happened but there was no outside "manipulation" or conquests. The tribal origin myths give one the image of proselytizers (Imams) coming from Arabia and seemingly just succeeding probably because Islam was already similar to Waaqism as both are monotheistic. It likely wasn't that hard to convince Somalis.

Not to mention, Somalis adopted Islam in a syncretic manner meaning many pre-Islamic traditions remained until very recently like trials by fire, a belief in sacred trees, cultural implements like the wagar and folk stories like this which only further tells you how slowly and comfortably Islam was adopted.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

There is no proof that Somalis were converted through any sort of coercion or violence. I wouldn't doubt some internal jihads happened but there was no outside "manipulation" or conquests. The tribal origin myths give one the image of proselytizers (Imams) coming from Arabia and seemingly just succeeding probably because Islam was already similar to Waaqism as both are monotheistic. It likely wasn't that hard to convince Somalis.

Not to mention, Somalis adopted Islam in a syncretic manner meaning many pre-Islamic traditions remained like trials by fire, a belief in sacred trees, cultural implements like the wagar and folk stories like this which only further tells you how slowly and comfortably Islam was adopted.

I think there was an element of prestige as well.The Islamic World and it's trading networks were crucial for Somali ports and having access to the Muslim World was probably beneficial.

Reminds me of how Malay language & Islam spread first through elites/merchants then later to the general population without any Arab intervention.Again access to the Islamic World's trade network was also probably a huge factor and a sense of prestige belonging to this civiliation.

 

[Aurelian]

I don't buy this mental illness or wahabism, maybe the later has some part in this, but i think this lady just killed her for some reason and used islam as an excuse

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

WTF, we definitely do not need to be importing any crazy Pakistani Islam. They actually are worse than the Saudi's.

Sufism really needs to return to Somalia... these Salafi/Deobandi people will wreck havoc on our identity.

Many of the people accusing me of being a Salafist were calling me a kaffir in other threads for not following their extreme Ashari interpretation of Islam.The only solution for Somalis and the Islamic World is a return to the Mu'tazila which is an open minded rational thought school of Islam, modernize it and adapt it to the modern World.

 

[Lebron James]

If you hate Arabs and Arabic so much why practice Islam and praise an Arabic prophet? Might as well become a waaqist looking for the signs of waaq in cows intestines

The prophets ethnicity is not the same as mine, yet i follow the same religion because Islam is for everyone not a specific group thats what you people fail to realize. Nobody hates arabs or arabic but your type that takes things to an extreme and copy a demographic as if they are the purest of the world.

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[TekNiKo]

salafism brainwashed these people, they think its a pillar of islam to defend carabs with their entire life and this energy will never be reciprocated to them.

These people are nothing but cabeed Arab slaves. They look down on our ancestors and look up to widehooked nosed Arab. Very dirty disgusting people whom we share no relations absolutely despise them. We need Musueam of Waaq to destroy their infantile idealogy and commererate our own history.

 

[Nilotic]

They act like Arabs love Somalis or something

They're not obligated to love anyone and neither are you, however, that bloke calling an entire population "scum of the earth" has gone too far. Most people in any population are reasonably pleasant people that are just trying to live their lives...

..Africans are looked down upon due to material conditions; political, economic and scientific-technological power are tremendously important and we're lacking in these important categories.

 

[Shimbiris]

I think there was an element of prestige as well.The Islamic World and it's trading networks were crucial for Somali ports and having access to the Muslim World was probably beneficial.

Reminds me of how Malay language & Islam spread first through elites/merchants then later to the general population without any Arab intervention.Again access to the Islamic World's trade network was also probably a huge factor and a sense of prestige belonging to this civiliation.

Yeah, the whole claiming descent from the Banu Hashim thing that repeats itself with Somali tribes is probably proof that they felt a certain prestige came with Islam. A big part of why the eastern Horn prospered more than Abyssinia during the Middle Ages in terms of urbanism was Islam and the trade networks that came with it. You're probably right. That was most likely a big motivating factor.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

That's a pure looking Somali oday in the traditional garb of a Somali title holder (see here and here). And since when are turbans not a part of Somali culture:

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? Nin cadaan ma isku qadatay? This man out here almost about to use the term "rag head" like even Xabashi priests don't wear turbans:

Sheekh Madar founder of modern Hargeisa:

 

[reer]

They're not obligated to love anyone and neither are you, however, that bloke calling an entire population "scum of the earth" is a step too far. Most people in any population are reasonably pleasant people that are just trying to live their lives...

..Africans are looked down upon due to material conditions; political, economic and scientific-technological power are tremendously important and we're lacking in these important categories.

gerara here with your rationalism. if youre not a rabid arabphope then clearly youre a salafi who wants to be arab and hates himself according to certain users.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

We need Musueam of Waaq to destroy their infantile idealogy and commererate our own history.

You mean temple of waaq where you sacrifice cows and drink it's blood like a savage

 

[TekNiKo]

what have ethiopians done for you? annexing your lands and building churches in ddsi. dont make this politics youre a habeshaphile.

Ethiopians? Who mentioned them? Ethiopia has nothing to do with preserving our history. I aupport Sufi Islam which already has preserved our Waaq ancestors. Saar, Nidaar, Wagar, Mingis, Huur, Hobaaleey, many practices still exist that our ancestors performed in Sufism. Wahabism wants to elimante this and is a cancerous idealogy that even destroys the Saints graves.

If this makes me an ethiophile so be it, better my fellow Cushitic than an Ayrab Semite bootyclap

 

[Mr.Humphrey]

But you are an anonymous person on the internet, no one even knows if you are a Somali.

You mean temple of waaq where you sacrifice cows and drink it's blood like a savage

You don't even identify with Somalia so instead of disrespecting what our ancestors believed in why not go do your eid sacrifice and drink camel urine like the Arab you want to be. The rest of us will work to rid extremism from the country and build a place for proud Somalis to call home.

 

[reer]

Ethiopians? Who mentioned them? Ethiopia has nothing to do with preserving our history. I aupport Sufi Islam which already has preserved our Waaq ancestors. Saar, Nidaar, Wagar, Mingis, Huur, Hobaaleey, many practices still exist that our ancestors performed in Sufism. Wahabism wants to elimante this and is a cancerous idealogy that even destroys the Saints graves.

If this makes me an ethiophile so be it, better my fellow Cushitic than an Ayrab Semite bootyclap

somalis gained prestige and honor because we became muslim. we have little known history pre islam. you support religious heresy in the name of somalinimo.

 

[Al-Ma'mun]

Yeah, the whole claiming descent from the Banu Hashim thing that repeats itself with Somali tribes is probably proof that they felt a certain prestige came with Islam. A big part of why the eastern Horn prospered more than Abyssinia during the Middle Ages in terms of urbanism was Islam and the trade networks that came with it. You're probably right. That was most likely a big motivating factor.

If you look at the Shafiici madhab distribution for example.It becomes very apparent that it spread with trade but also in the case of Yemen during the 12th century, there was a Sufi Sunni revival thanks to the Ayyubids and later Yemeni dyansties and they were probably responsible for sending the proselytizers to the Somali coasts.It seems it was only around the time of Imam Axmed were the nomads in SL firmly Muslim, they might have been muslim by that only a few centuries while the coastal cities were probably Muslim a lot longer then that


"At an undetermined moment during the Middle Ages, when the nomads start to be progressively islamized, simple mosques outlined on the floor often accompany the cairns. The linear distribution of mosques and graves is not always coherent the optimal natural routes (González-Ruibal and Torres 2018: 6), and there were undoubtedly other Figure 17: identification of cairns at the mountain pass of Jidhi, western Somaliland. Satellite images provided by Google Earth Jorge de Torres Rodriguez Built on diversity: Statehood in Medieval Somaliland (12th-16th centuries AD) 182 Anejos de NAILOS. ISSN 2341-3573. Nº. 6, 2020 A factors –social, economical, cultural or political- which influenced the movements of the nomads beyond their adaptive strategies to the environment. Two of these influences in Somaliland were trade and religion. The specific seasonal patterns of Somaliland favour the presence of nomadic populations by the coast at a moment when the monsoon winds allow the arrival of ships in and out of the Red Sea (González-Ruibal & Torres 2018: 4), and that coincidence has settled the bases for a long tradition of trading seasonal gatherings and fairs which has lasted until the 19th century (Cruttenden 1849: 54-55). In a coast where Zeila was the only permanent trading centre during the Middle Ages, these seasonal markets were not just a resource for the nomads: they were a key factor in the economy of the Ifat and Adal sultanates, which had in trade one of their strategic sources of wealth and influence (Pankhurst 1961: 346-350). The second key reference for the seasonal movements were the sanctuaries which acted as aggregation centres for the nomads. The excavation of one of these sites has proved the continuation of many pagan traditions well into the 14th century, when Islam was well consolidated in the region (González-Ruibal & Torres 2018: 14)"

 

[Mr.Humphrey]

somalis gained prestige and honor because we became muslim. we have little known history pre islam.

Somalis always had honour and prestige doqon.

If you suffer from self hate you can always claim your real ethnicity.