Conflict Between Cissa and Afar Continues

[Aseer]

@Aseer Somalia if functioning could essentially serve as the western or Chinese sheriff on the continent ensuring all countries keep in line because they have the bravest soldiers on the continent and even Russia and south Cuba had to join the war which no super power ever does in the mid east or Africa. We got lots of history in warfare due to environment which Africans don't and are truly maskin in warfare. They needed three superpowerscBritain, France and Italy for essentially 1 million population at the time and severely divided too. We are the Irish of Africa. Siyad even said regarding Kenya we will send out police to arrest their military showing them how weak their soldier class is.

It was our own undoing and the nations that surrounded us that made our nation and people what it is today, you couldn't have said it better doc.

 

[Gaandheri]

IOG the cancer in HOA the man destabilizing the HOA, the men who’s clans men are getting ethnically cleansed, the men who’s country will become a battle ground between the west and Houthi’s, a men who’s country is being used to arm RSF. If the Emirati plans come to fruition he can say good bye to all that port money.

 

[Killamenace78]

Djibouti belongs to Somalis the afar were moved into this land by the French so they can screw the votes which it worked in their favor now that the afar live in the northern part of Djibouti which is dry desert land literally uninhabitable they want to move down south and steal fertile Dir lands but we can’t give up without a fight

 

[NidarNidar]

Afars are truly langaab. Getting xooged by one (1) Somali sub clan all this time. They would be finished if Somalis weren't so busy fighting each other all the time

Not all Afar the ones in Djibouti are fine, Abiy is fanning the flames on Issa in Ethiopia.

 

[soomal__.nur1]

I got no love for anfar but our interests collide to remove this irir godfather clan issa from power.

PL can provide diplomatic support we want to see the majority rule not the minority dictatorship and get buy in from the west that issa are trying to replicate what failed in South Africa the white minority rule. We must house the anfar in PL and give them assistance on what to do post issa regime and sell how they can be seen as the hero democracy freedom fighters vs the evil issa minority ruled regime.

War puntlanday elect a bah dubays as president as I can have access behind the scene to guide him on how to lay our pieces on the geopolitical chessboard to ensure Djibouti is no longer meddling in Somalia Politics for irirism or heck we may even get a new ally if the anfar win and restore democracy from issa dictatorship.

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[EritreanPost_]

This is historical revisionism.

Eritrea and Djibouti made formally peace in 2018 when Afwerki and IMG met in Saudi and wen Eritrean officials went to Djibouti.

Eritrea itself doesn’t have any problem with the Djiboutian government at all.

In 2006 both Eritrea and Djibouti were even at same side supporting Somalia when the Ethiopian TPLF army invaded Somalia. Both IGM and Afwerki backed the ICU.

but the tensions between Djibouti and Eritrea were caused by outsiders. After the 1998 Ethiopian Eritrean border war, Ethiopia dragged other countries in HOA to isolate Eritrea.

Ethiopia forced Djibouti to take hard position on Eritrea.

Ethiopia boycotted Eritrea‘s Assab port and imported all its weapons during the 1998 Ethiopian-Eritrean border war through the port of Djibouti.

But since 2018 both Eritrea and Djibouti improved its relations. And eritrea opposed the idea of an independent Afar republic

It is the Ethiopian gov that claims that Eritrea and Djiboutis coasts belong to Eritrea, that the Italians and French separated the Ethiopian afars from the Eritrean and Djibouti Afars and it’s the Ethiopian gov that talked about land swap or confederation.

*belong to Ethiopia

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

Anfar is the majority and the majority should rule not the daba dhilif issa who crafted Djibouti by being a daba dhilif to france to suit issa interest. Ha kacaan anfaartu infact puntland was doqons about somalinimo and even helped these cowards on the will iyo abti alliance thru doonbiro iyo darod helping them against eritrea in 2007 and what do they do in return? Create 4.5 in carta to disempower darods.

They send their American donated humvees in the SSC war and what did the ahmed samatar do he even brought food and rations for snm in the tukaraq war even tho it was abshir wolde a reer hersi majerten who housed and trained them and made their careers a possibility.

@FBIsomalia and puntitequeen know if dr osman was in power i would be sending huge hiil for anfar and also support their cause that the majority should rule not a minority issa which is payback for issa meddling in somalia politics using irirism and sending military inventory to SL in the ssc war. Issa isnt invisible wuxuna ka shaqaynaye xumaanta somalia since carta and any more meddling in Somalia will result in PL sending assistance to anfar.

It is in PL and Somalia interest to remove issa from Djibouti power as that ismacil omar geele is the godfather of irirism. If we backed anfar and they take over power we can ensure Djibouti is neutral in Somalia Politics or Pro PL IN return for our assistance to restore the majority anfar into power and remove the issa dictatorship. We can sell it as our support for democracy fighting a minority issa regime which is similar to south africa in diplomatic circles.

The South African model of white minority rule on a black majority didn't even work how will a issa minority rule with an anfar majority work. f*ck them and ismacil omar geele they are the cancer behind the isku dir of hawiye and darod as he fears a big, strong Somalia will overshadow his tiny issa enclave.

What are you talking about Canfar is 30% of the population or even less.

 

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[JamalFarah]

Many things said here aren't quite right. Firstly, Afars aren't even close to being the majority in Djibouti. Also, the conflict isn't just between Afars and Cisse; Afars see it more as a clash between them and with Somalis. Dr. Osman's criticism of Djibouti seems insincere because he's against Djibouti's because of the harm they have caused for Somalinimo, yet he doesn't like nationalist feelings among his own kinsmen. While Somali clans often fight, siding with outside forces against fellow Somalis is a big problem.

The idea of a secret alliance between Hawiye, Isaaq, and Cisse, along with "Irirism,"is a conspiracy theory. When Somaliland declared itself indepedent and Ali Mahdi formed a government with MJ it was dead as any serious political grouping.

During the SSC conflict, Somalia didn't have the resources to step into conflicts, it has no troops, equipment or finance to spare. Recent moves by President HSM suggest a push to remove Somalilanders from top government positions, any statement alluding to an Iririst plot can be explained away if you have some basic reasoning.

Djibouti borders Somaliland, so it's natural for them to want to prevent Somaliland from falling apart. Djibouti simply cannot handle a refugees stream many times its own population from Somaliland.

Djibouti, led by IOG, has always backed Somalia's unity and growth. Djibouti would benefit from a stable Somalia, both economically and geopolitically, as it would strengthen its position against Ethiopia's expansionist goals, which all countries in the horn have to deal with.

The one thing that has been accepted as fact but hasn't been proven is the extent of Djiboutian support to Somaliland during the conflict. There's limited and difficult-to-verify footage of those "American humvees." Additionally, stories have circulated about Djibouti providing aid to those trying to establish an Awdal state. Why would they give military equipment that could potentially be used against other actors they support?

Blaming Djibouti for the 4.5 clan power-sharing arrangement overlooks the fact that major Somali clans accepted it. Besides this believe that 4.5 uniquely hurts your clan is completely untrue, every outlet show that in Somalia proper the Hawiye are the largest clans, and that the most fertile and densly populated ones are found among the Raxanweyn, these are clans taking a parliamentary hit from the current 4.5 when it comes to seat arrangements.

You express a desire for Cisse's death. In another post, you mentioned joining Al-Shabaab if their goal was to genocide Habr Gidir. How can anyone take you seriously after saying such things? You spend a lot of time making hateful comments about other clans. This behavior, especially when you yourself heavily associated your post withPuntland, risks linking Puntland with your hateful politics and lunacy, and therefor cultivate sympathiser against it, simply because of the dislike of you, eternal fueling this type of online shitflinging.

 

[Gemstone]

Many things said here aren't quite right. Firstly, Afars aren't even close to being the majority in Djibouti. Also, the conflict isn't just between Afars and Cisse; Afars see it more as a clash between them and with Somalis. Dr. Osman's criticism of Djibouti seems insincere because he's against Djibouti's because of the harm they have caused for Somalinimo, yet he doesn't like nationalist feelings among his own kinsmen. While Somali clans often fight, siding with outside forces against fellow Somalis is a big problem.

The idea of a secret alliance between Hawiye, Isaaq, and Cisse, along with "Irirism,"is a conspiracy theory. When Somaliland declared itself indepedent and Ali Mahdi formed a government with MJ it was dead as any serious political grouping.

During the SSC conflict, Somalia didn't have the resources to step into conflicts, it has no troops, equipment or finance to spare. Recent moves by President HSM suggest a push to remove Somalilanders from top government positions, any statement alluding to an Iririst plot can be explained away if you have some basic reasoning.

Djibouti borders Somaliland, so it's natural for them to want to prevent Somaliland from falling apart. Djibouti simply cannot handle a refugees stream many times its own population from Somaliland.

Djibouti, led by IOG, has always backed Somalia's unity and growth. Djibouti would benefit from a stable Somalia, both economically and geopolitically, as it would strengthen its position against Ethiopia's expansionist goals, which all countries in the horn have to deal with.

The one thing that has been accepted as fact but hasn't been proven is the extent of Djiboutian support to Somaliland during the conflict. There's limited and difficult-to-verify footage of those "American humvees." Additionally, stories have circulated about Djibouti providing aid to those trying to establish an Awdal state. Why would they give military equipment that could potentially be used against other actors they support?

Blaming Djibouti for the 4.5 clan power-sharing arrangement overlooks the fact that major Somali clans accepted it. Besides this believe that 4.5 uniquely hurts your clan is completely untrue, every outlet show that in Somalia proper the Hawiye are the largest clans, and that the most fertile and densly populated ones are found among the Raxanweyn, these are clans taking a parliamentary hit from the current 4.5 when it comes to seat arrangements.

You express a desire for Cisse's death. In another post, you mentioned joining Al-Shabaab if their goal was to genocide Habr Gidir. How can anyone take you seriously after saying such things? You spend a lot of time making hateful comments about other clans. This behavior, especially when you yourself heavily associated your post withPuntland, risks linking Puntland with your hateful politics and lunacy, and therefor cultivate sympathiser against it, simply because of the dislike of you, eternal fueling this type of online shitflinging.

I have never seen @DR OSMAN use any references or sources. The man only writes about his opinions and spicy takes on all matters. To him if you're not from PL, you're either an enemy or an enemy in the making. All I can say is for none Puntlanders his posts have no substance. Don't take him seriously!

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