Confederalism - The Solution for Somalia?

[Helios]

In this system similar to the Swiss Model, you would have highly autonomous states that are left to their devices bar free movement, a national military, immigration and foreign relations. Picture this as a European Union + more in Somalia

This means that SL PL and whatever the south decides to cut itself into will be free from each other and any perceived overlord in Mogadishu, yet will still be able to operate and conduct commerce.

*Independence of the two regions must be recognized first and then they will have appropriate leverage to negotiate their terms of entry*

What needs to be ironed out is how to elect representatives to the confederal govt and ensure people aren't disenfranchised no matter how little power this national govt may have. As well, dispute mechanisms between potential members need to be agreed upon.

The room to manoeuvre of the cantons
Under the Federal Constitution, all the cantons have equal status and rights, namely in the following policy areas:

• budget
• political system
• taxation (since they can levy taxes)

Each canton has its own constitution, acts, parliament, government and courts.
The cantonal governments are also elected by the people, in most cases under a first-past-the-post system

Now even further down at the Communal level (Cities and subregions)

• schools and welfare provision
• energy supplies
• roads
• local planning
• local taxation

Critique I can think of the System
- Corruption duh
- SL and PL need to subscribe and solve SSC dispute to make this work
- Al-Shabaab needs to be eliminated before an even looser Somali state will be established
- Managing foreign relations since the states will have very different interests

Switzerland
https://www.ch.ch/en/demokratie/federalism/federalism/

@PuntiteQueen please do MJ magic with the tags

 

[EDsomali]

Swiss IQ = 100

Somali IQ = 68

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

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[EDsomali]

It could probably work but Somalis would find a way to f*ck that up. Leave it to the Swiss guys it’s out of those odaays iq

A system like this won't work in a highly tribal state like ours.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

2019, the calls for Confederation started to rise.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/confederation-calls-start-to-rise-on-somalia.66913/

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/should-somalia-be-a-confederate-country.59680/

@Tukraq

 

[Louis Vuitton Don]

A system like this won't work in a highly tribal state like ours.

Fuxk I was trying to edit my comment, deleted on accident.

Yes your probably right.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

If it entered the political conscience in Somalia, it means it will be discussed at some stage.

Especially if Puntland declares they are going to cut off all contact with the federal government.

The more Mogadishu leans Centralist, the more Federalist groups will lean further into Confederalism.

 

[Odkac WRLD]

I’m flattered but what is making you people tag me

 

[madaxweyne]

we tried centralism and it failed
we treid federalism but the mother of federalism decided to try secessionism and confederationalism

great now were gonna try confederationalism this is definately going to work

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

we tried centralism and it failed
we treid federalism but the mother of federalism decided to try secessionism and confederationalism

great now were gonna try confederationalism this is definately going to work

Puntland will only leave if Federalism fails.

The Centralist leaning N&N hasn't been honest about implementing it.

 

[Louis Vuitton Don]

we tried centralism and it failed
we treid federalism but the mother of federalism decided to try secessionism and confederationalism

great now were gonna try confederationalism this is definately going to work

What do you think would work?

 

[Helios]

A system like this won't work in a highly tribal state like ours.

How so? It literally leaves the tribes with their own almost countries within a broader union.

 

[EDsomali]

How so? It literally leaves the tribes with their own almost countries within a broader union.

Tribes?

Sub-Clans or Sub-sub-clans or Sub-sub-sub-clans?

Do you see the problem?

 

[Helios]

Tribes?

Sub-Clans or Sub-sub-clans or Sub-sub-sub-clans?

Do you see the problem?

You didnt read the second part??

Now even further down at the Communal level (Cities and subregions)

• schools and welfare provision
• energy supplies
• roads
• local planning
• local taxation

 

[madaxweyne]

What do you think would work?

deni solution might work a constitution needs to be implemented where all the federal member states need to agree on one of the things i like to see is one national military, immigration, and foreign relations to be dictated by the federal government while the member states can keep out of national politics and focus on schools and welfare provision investment opportunities and infrastructure development and roads planning, local taxation and local security ie state forces etc

 

[EDsomali]

You didnt read the second part??

No, I did.

But cities are tribal, towns are too.

We'll have thousands of highly autonomous states which is very inefficient.

 

[Automaton]

Puntland will only leave if Federalism fails.

The Centralist leaning N&N hasn't been honest about implementing it.

Federalism has already failed and no one wants it besides your state. You act like you can just leave the and we will let you, very delusional.

 

[Automaton]

Federalism is a failed TPLF project that meant to divide us and legitimize clannism. The same PIM crew are openly talking about deporting fellow Somalis from Puntland like they're foreigners. Any Somali can live where they please from Awdal to lower Juba. Confederation is even a worse solution.

 

[.279]

There's no solution for somalia or Somalis in general. Runta aan isku sheegno

Let me exit before I go on the most self hating rant in history

 

[Helios]

There's no solution for somalia or Somalis in general. Runta aan isku sheegno

Let me exit before I go on the most self hating rant in history

Please do tell