BREAKING: With Somali flag in the background, Mukhtar Robow announces he quit Al-Shabab.

[XamarCade]

His mission is done, AS's chapter is about to be closed soon. Connect the dots guys:
1. New administration in states which wants to end Extremism in ME, they succeeded in Iraq
2. Ethiopia can not be trusted for trying importing gass to china ( aid money was cut, civil unrest started)
3. Schedule for Amisom to leave Somalia in 2018.
AS will be defeated soon.

Inshallah

 

[Mohamedali]

His mission is done, AS's chapter is about to be closed soon. Connect the dots guys:
1. New administration in states which wants to end Extremism in ME, they succeeded in Iraq
2. Ethiopia can not be trusted for trying importing gass to china ( aid money was cut, civil unrest started)
3. Schedule for Amisom to leave Somalia in 2018.
AS will be defeated soon.

You couldn't have said it any better i single handedly invite you to xamar that's your capital brother

 

[Mokillem]

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How will development benefit you when you're a debt slave just look at the world sole superpower the US indebted by over 20 trillion that's debt that the US government & tax payers will never be able to repay.

What good is the world in exchange for ones soul

We don't need to be debt slaves however we should be secularists. The Quran should Judge religious affairs and us lifely affairs.

They [the believers] employ consultations among themselves” (ash-Shura 38).

Consultation involves various interpretation of religious law and how we can maintain a functioning state. The prophet didn't lead a fully fledged states those who came after him did. Consultation also leads to a system of democracy.After the prophet(S.A.W) passed away through representatives Umar was chosen to lead the Ummah.Unlike shiism Sunnis believes in a form of democracy through representatives. There is no successor of the prophet anywhere in the Quran which is the main reason he didn't have any sons growing up.

This leads to the believe there is no divine leader other than the prophet and all those who came after him had no divine legitimacy.infact the Islamic governments varied from semi democratic to fully authoritarian.these governments had secularism in the sense that religion was limited to its affairs while governance was altered according to the wisdom of the king. A good read on this would be Ibn Khalduns book on muqqadimih.

 

[DR OSMAN]

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We don't need to be debt slaves however we should be secularists. The Quran should Judge religious affairs and us lifely affairs.

They [the believers] employ consultations among themselves” (ash-Shura 38).

Consultation involves various interpretation of religious law and how we can maintain a functioning state. The prophet didn't lead a fully fledged states those who came after him did. Consultation also leads to a system of democracy.After the prophet(S.A.W) passed away through representatives Umar was chosen to lead the Ummah.Unlike shiism Sunnis believes in a form of democracy through representatives. There is no successor of the prophet anywhere in the Quran which is the main reason he didn't have any sons growing up.

This leads to the believe there is no divine leader other than the prophet and all those who came after him had no divine legitimacy.infact the Islamic governments varied from semi democratic to fully authoritarian.these governments had secularism in the sense that religion was limited to its affairs while governance was altered according to the wisdom of the king. A good read on this would be Ibn Khalduns book on muqqadimih.

The only area government and religion clashes is on aspects of 'morality' and laws relating to it. Gay Marriage, Abortion, religious matter. It's like 0.1% of what a government does, 99% of what government focuses on is 'secular' matters. So the smart west said to the church, we will let the 0.1% that are divivise sit on the back burner and told the church 'hey u can rule the church,we won't interfere', and in return the church lets the secularist rule the 'state' on the provision they stick and deal with only secular/progress matters basically earthly things. This meant the 99% united them and let the 0.1% sit on backburner, guess what they 'steamed' away into progress, with everyone know his 'jurisdiction', even though they have 'teething problems' when things regarding religions are passed, which is kind of fair, don't enter the 'religious' realm, let them be, and they should in return let us be in matters of 'earthly' affairs.

Even our camel nomads are the same, clan elders deal with secular matters at a tribal level, environment level, water level, security issues and the imam deals with the religious matter. It's always been divided responsibilities in our culture!!! Even the caliphate was divided like that sxb!!!

There is simply no other way you can do it because the quran doesn't deal with 'state' matters or progress things. It doesn't deal with how to create medicines, roads, businesses, security, schools, hospitals, water, agriculture, fishery, and basically the 99% of things we SECULARIST AND NON SECULARIST alike all need to survive!!!

Even the prophet didn't say I will elect an imam to run the military, he got salman farsi cause he had experience in it. Just like u need someone who has experience in government and state matters you cant elect an imam or bring a quran to this matter!!! Islam says seek till china on 'knowledge' matters, which is secularism!!! because knowledge has no religion and has no role to play in it!!!

I hope to see a Somali drop the 'identity' politics such as religion, race, tribe, parties and just seek knowledge all the way to 'israel' even, we are not there to talk with them on religion, we are there to siphon out knowledge to better our lives!!! Lets not fall into this 'stupid' trap the arabs have in matters of religion and state, lets just cut our own path and 'f*ck them off' and their 'jahiliyah'

 

[DR OSMAN]

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We don't need to be debt slaves however we should be secularists. The Quran should Judge religious affairs and us lifely affairs.

They [the believers] employ consultations among themselves” (ash-Shura 38).

Consultation involves various interpretation of religious law and how we can maintain a functioning state. The prophet didn't lead a fully fledged states those who came after him did. Consultation also leads to a system of democracy.After the prophet(S.A.W) passed away through representatives Umar was chosen to lead the Ummah.Unlike shiism Sunnis believes in a form of democracy through representatives. There is no successor of the prophet anywhere in the Quran which is the main reason he didn't have any sons growing up.

This leads to the believe there is no divine leader other than the prophet and all those who came after him had no divine legitimacy.infact the Islamic governments varied from semi democratic to fully authoritarian.these governments had secularism in the sense that religion was limited to its affairs while governance was altered according to the wisdom of the king. A good read on this would be Ibn Khalduns book on muqqadimih.

Mokilem your focusing on the how the government is set up!!! religion shouldn't even care if it's people who vote or a council. It's like an imam why does he care how doctors set up their commitees? it's secular matter, no place for them. Infact if early islamic caliphates had access to the tools we have today, they would've of done voting, but they simply didn't have the technology available!!! But they demonstrated it with 'council' electing.

Don't get me wrong, I am no fan of democracy, I think once we separate state and religion, it won't matter what system we adopt cause we all be striving for 'knowledge' all the way to 'Israel' even!!! Let's not jahiliyah get in our way for progress. Lets not look at someone and say he has to be a muslim in order for me to learn from!!! early muslim caliphates even studied greek and indian libraries!!! my god these salafists aka khawarij have really brainwashed the ummah, may allah punish these dogs of hell!!!

 

[DR OSMAN]

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We don't need to be debt slaves however we should be secularists. The Quran should Judge religious affairs and us lifely affairs.

They [the believers] employ consultations among themselves” (ash-Shura 38).

Consultation involves various interpretation of religious law and how we can maintain a functioning state. The prophet didn't lead a fully fledged states those who came after him did. Consultation also leads to a system of democracy.After the prophet(S.A.W) passed away through representatives Umar was chosen to lead the Ummah.Unlike shiism Sunnis believes in a form of democracy through representatives. There is no successor of the prophet anywhere in the Quran which is the main reason he didn't have any sons growing up.

This leads to the believe there is no divine leader other than the prophet and all those who came after him had no divine legitimacy.infact the Islamic governments varied from semi democratic to fully authoritarian.these governments had secularism in the sense that religion was limited to its affairs while governance was altered according to the wisdom of the king. A good read on this would be Ibn Khalduns book on muqqadimih.

When arabs come to Somalia in the future once it's stabilized and try this 'khawarij' games, I want Somalis to stop being 'slave mentally' to these people. Use your head and ask yourself if what they are saying even makes 'sense' to you!!! Respond back to them religion plays it's role in religious affair and the state handles state affairs. The two never were and cannot ever be mixed together, infact they should be no problem cause the religious person needs roads, water, food, jobs, knowledge just like a non religious person does hence the only thing that can unite them is 'earthly' matters and earthly matters needs 'man made' approaches!!! This isn't an advantage for non religious or religious, it's just pure common sense they need man made systems to address progress and state affairs!!!

 

[DR OSMAN]

Mokilleh, Imagine Cognissance went into the parliament of somalia and started talking about 'deen' and lah illaha illa lah? they would look at him and say pls arrest this man, we are not talking about religion here but 'development'. It's like him going to a doctor and saying lah illaha illa lah like come on please escort this mad man to a mental ward, this is a hospital not a mosque.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

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We don't need to be debt slaves however we should be secularists. The Quran should Judge religious affairs and us lifely affairs.

They [the believers] employ consultations among themselves” (ash-Shura 38).

Consultation involves various interpretation of religious law and how we can maintain a functioning state. The prophet didn't lead a fully fledged states those who came after him did. Consultation also leads to a system of democracy.After the prophet(S.A.W) passed away through representatives Umar was chosen to lead the Ummah.Unlike shiism Sunnis believes in a form of democracy through representatives. There is no successor of the prophet anywhere in the Quran which is the main reason he didn't have any sons growing up.

This leads to the believe there is no divine leader other than the prophet and all those who came after him had no divine legitimacy.infact the Islamic governments varied from semi democratic to fully authoritarian.these governments had secularism in the sense that religion was limited to its affairs while governance was altered according to the wisdom of the king. A good read on this would be Ibn Khalduns book on muqqadimih.

Secularism is gaalism I've already been through this with this gaal what's the point quoting my with your kufr save me your drivel.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Secularism is gaalism I've already been through this with this gaal what's the point quoting my with your kufr save me your drivel.

U been owned bro, not a single person agrees with a word u said and it's causing you to basically

While I walk away

 

[DR OSMAN]

Secularism is gaalism I've already been through this with this gaal what's the point quoting my with your kufr save me your drivel.

You have to be honest with yourself when you have been totally 'owned'. I am not going to even open an Islam and Somalia topic, there is nothing to convince or discuss, it's plain as day for any1 with a brain. It's no longer a debate for me!!!

I am Probably going to focus on a thread on reconciliation models for tribes, politicians, businesses, and culuma!! Something I am willingly to debate as the options could be a range of models..local-foreign-religious.

But Your salafist idealogy has been brought down to it's damn knees by the DOCTOR, now go back to your saudi masters and tell them who the DOCTOR is!!!

 

[Mokillem]

Secularism is gaalism I've already been through this with this gaal what's the point quoting my with your kufr save me your drivel.

There are 3 types of secularism you are focusing on the 2 types which were supported by Karl Marx etc. I'm open for making a state with Islamic principles in the places needed and secular human wisdom which changes on building roads , farming etc.

 

[DR OSMAN]

There are 3 types of secularism you are focusing on the 2 types which were supported by Karl Marx etc. I'm open for making a state with Islamic principles in the places needed and secular human wisdom which changes on building roads , farming etc.

Where you going to fit the islamic principles when 99% of the function of government is progress and development!!! Just listen to the parliament of somalia, listen to all their sittings, call me when they talk about religion..it shall be interesting!!!

They even have a minister of religion, are they crazy? this must be immediately removed!!! if people want religion, go to the mosque sxb, xaq darada hala jojjiyo. Its like asking for the masjid to open up a position for an engineer or doctor!!!

What form of secularism are you proposing? It will be interesting to see. I am not against a religious person running for office, but he will do so just like everyone else competiting on who can forward the state the best with no religion discussion!!! I am suprised people think their is a place for religion in government!!! Yes their will be the small moral aspects that religion will show it's head but it must do so as an institution outside of the government which is the mosque!!! U want them check n balancing the govt as a separate institution, not joining the institution like wat the hell!!!

Mokileem, heedhe? qof walbo shaqadisa haku eekato, ceeb miyaa?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Where you going to fit the islamic principles when 99% of the function of government is progress and development!!! Just listen to the parliament of somalia, listen to all their sittings, call me when they talk about religion..it shall be interesting!!!

They even have a minister of religion, are they crazy? this must be immediately removed!!! if people want religion, go to the mosque sxb, xaq darada hala jojjiyo. Its like asking for the masjid to open up a position for an engineer or doctor!!!

What form of secularism are you proposing? It will be interesting to see. I am not against a religious person running for office, but he will do so just like everyone else competiting on who can forward the state the best with no religion discussion!!! I am suprised people think their is a place for religion in government!!! Yes their will be the small moral aspects that religion will show it's head but it must do so as an institution outside of the government which is the mosque!!! U want them check n balancing the govt as a separate institution, not joining the institution like wat the hell!!!

Mokileem, heedhe? qof walbo shaqadisa haku eekato, ceeb miyaa?

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Shariah is the only way fad Ama ha fadin waa lugu fadsiin waa billahi towfiq

 

[Mokillem]

Shariah is the only way fad Ama ha fadin waa lugu fadsiin waa billahi towfiq

You are confused shariah is only one part of Islamic law. Another major part is islamic Fiqh or thought. People debate on how best a state works and punishments for crimes etc. This is the part
Which is basically secularism and needs to be worked for in Somalia.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

You are confused shariah is only one part of Islamic law. Another major part is islamic Fiqh or thought. People debate on how best a state works and punishments for crimes etc. This is the part
Which is basically secularism and needs to be worked for in Somalia.

Praise be to Allah.



Secularism is a new philosophy and a corrupt movement which aims to separate religion from the state, and focuses on worldly matters, and worldly desires and pleasures; it makes this world the only goal in life, and forgets and ignores the Hereafter. It pays no attention to deeds pertaining to the Hereafter. The words of the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) may be applied to the secularist: “Wretched is the slave of the dinar and the slave of the dirham and the slave of the khameesah (a kind of luxurious garment made of wool with patterns). If he is given he is pleased and if he is not given he becomes discontent. May he be wretched and doomed, and if he is pricked with a thorn may it not be pulled out (i.e., may he have no help to remove it).” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2887).

This description includes everyone who criticizes anything of the teachings of Islam in word or deed. The one who rules according to man-made laws and abolishes the rulings of sharee‘ah is a secularist; the one who permits forbidden things such as adultery, alcohol, music and usurious (riba-based) transactions, and believes that forbidding them is harmful to people and is narrow-mindedness which causes people to miss out on some benefits, is a secularist. The one who ban or objects to the carrying out of hadd punishments such as executing the murderer and stoning or flogging the adulterer and the drinker of alcohol, or cutting off the limbs of the thief or bandit, and claims that carrying out these punishments is inhumane, or that it is cruel and abhorrent, also comes under the heading of secularism.

With regard to the Islamic ruling concerning them, Allah, may He be exalted, says, describing the Jews (interpretation of the meaning):

“Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world”

[al-Baqarah 2:85].

Whoever accepts whatever suits him of the religion, such as laws on personal and family matters, and some acts of worship, and rejects whatever does not suit him, is included in this verse.

Similarly, Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whosoever desires the life of the world and its glitter; to them We shall pay in full (the wages of) their deeds therein, and they will have no diminution therein.

They are those for whom there is nothing in the Hereafter but Fire; and vain are the deeds they did therein. And of no effect is that which they used to do”

[Hood 11:15-16].

The aims of the secularists are focused on worldly accumulation and pleasures, even it it is haraam and even if it prevents them doing the obligatory duties. Thus they are included in this verse and in the verse in which Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Whoever wishes for the quick-passing (transitory enjoyment of this world), We readily grant him what We will for whom We like. Then, afterwards, We have appointed for him Hell, he will burn therein disgraced and rejected, ( far away from Allah’s Mercy)”

[al-Isra’ 17:18].

And there are other similar verses and hadeeths. And Allah knows best.

 

[GodKnowsBest]

My family still live there and the ones from the diaspora regularly go back like I have done. Many of my family are from calaanley & fanoole the last time I checked the mayor of kismayo was from the people you love to hate he's not mareexan.

You should be careful with what you say to me.

Based off of your story we might be related.

Closely related.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

You should be careful with what you say to me.

Based off of your story we might be related.

Closely related.

Abaayo macaan it really doesn't make a difference cause a gaal is a gaal.

I pray to Allah he guides you back to Islam abaayo macaan so I can love you for Allah sake in sha Allah this life is temporary abaayo macaan we came from Allah and to him we shall return come back home to where you belong Al Islam

 

[DR OSMAN]

You should be careful with what you say to me.

Based off of your story we might be related.

Closely related.

He can't demonstrate what islam has to do with building roads, schools, businesses and earthly matters. He just clutching on straws!!! Desperation of the worst order, lots of emotions!!!

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

He can't demonstrate what islam has to do with building roads, schools, businesses and earthly matters. He just clutching on straws!!! Desperation of the worst order, lots of emotions!!!

Is that so

Then tell me what the Quran says about usury