NEWS Boqor Buurmadow in hot water after supporting Godane AS

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Do we have any non-contentious historical figures/legends? I nominate the guy who domesticated the first .

 

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And poems are not propaganda?

Poems were propaganda. The Somali equivalent to calling the Sayid a mass murdered was saying the brits were engaged in mass conversion.

For that plot land he still signed a peace agreement with the British and protection agreement with Italian. This means he willingly made an agreement with Gaalo. Wait you think because I didn't respond to your map it was true? He was defeated at Ergo and all his forced sought refugee in Italians Somalia which was at odd with British.


So not only did he lose his land to the British but also signed a peace agreement and a protection agreement with Italy. You can't spin this one out.

Who said treaties were haram? The entire point of war treaties is to be made with gaalo. What do you make of the Prophets treaty with the Quraish? The prophet ceded control of Mecca and in exchange the believers could come to make Tawaaf at the qibla. Were the Ansar colonial subjects/gaalo because of an agreement?

If the dervish were “Italian colonial subjects” why was their capital Taleex not apart of Italian Somalia. In fact why isnt there any mainland Dhulbahante/Dervish territory in any map of Italian Somalia if the Dervish were Italian subjects?? Why wasnt the attack from the Dervish on the Brits seen as an attack from Italys Dubads?

Im done with this man he has lost on every point.

 

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@Kanan I urge you to watch this video its the great grandson of Sheekh Aweys glad more Koonfurians are waking up to the Mad man Mullah and his war crimes

 

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Sayid was a symbol of somali freedom. He launched a decades long war against colonialists.

 

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Poems were propaganda. The Somali equivalent to calling the Sayid a mass murdered was saying the brits were engaged in mass conversion.

So you also admit poems are are propaganda and less acurate than written archives. Good. It doesn't change the fact he was indeed a mass murder just like Godane.

Who said treaties were haram? The entire point of war treaties is to be made with gaalo. What do you make of the Prophets treaty with the Quraish? The prophet ceded control of Mecca and in exchange the believers could come to make Tawaaf at the qibla. Were the Ansar colonial subjects/gaalo because of an agreement?

I'm glad you eating your own words and bend backwards. Agreements are not xaraam and so was the British agreements with Isaaq, Sameroon and Warsangali. I'm glad you're finally admitted that, it nullifies his whole stand.

Whole premise of his call for Jihaad was "They're gaal we're Muslims, fight with me to liberate Muslim lands"

If the dervish were “Italian colonial subjects” why was their capital Taleex not apart of Italian Somalia. In fact why isnt there any mainland Dhulbahante/Dervish territory in any map of Italian Somalia if the Dervish were Italian subjects?? Why wasnt the attack from the Dervish on the Brits seen as an attack from Italys Dubads?

Because they got the boot. They fled to Iliq Mudug in Puntland before WW1 breaks out and he invaded Somaliland again. He remained an Italian subject from 1904 to 1911 for whole 7 stayed put in Puntland building his force. You love the Darawish so much but don't know their history. The Taleex forts you're talking about were built much later after in 1915. The Darawish was a rag tag movement that changes locations all the time without fixed settlement till near the 1913.

Because from 1914 to 1918 there was something called WW1 and the Somalis were not high on priority list which gave him free hand to break Pestalozza agreement and wrack havoc in Somaliland, do you lack common sense? The British earlier have destroyed him in Iliq which was handed over to Italy but then Italy mediated the Pestalozza deal where he was allowed to stay put for 7 years. Imagine claiming a home then someone kicks you out of it and then neighbors mediate and you get to have a room. That's what you're saying.

Im done with this man he has lost on every point.

You know what does that sound like? It sounds like you finally understand the hypocrisy of your argument and the plethora of contradiction you're harboring. There is no difference between Godane and Ina Hasan they're both terrorists. You can try to change goalpost all you want about validity of agreements or his position as a leader but non that absolves him from mass massacres, mutilation of bodies, looting of livestock and all acts of terrorism he committed.

 

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Yup you nailed it on the head, we gotta label both as terrorist criminals He effectively made his followers langaab Dhulbahante lost Caynabo and other tuulos cause of following him I blame the Kacaan for romanticizing this cruel criminal. When Rer Koshin lost alot of men following this mad man.

he founded the only grassroots modern somali state. and was ahead of his time and a true revolutionary.

The Daraawiish structure could be considered to constitute a state, since the three salient features of state are defined as territory, population living in that defined territory, and a government which is sovereign to rule the country and the people. Though fluid, all these characteristics can be identified in the Daraawiish. Such a state was fashioned on the model of the Salahiya brotherhood, with strict hierarchy and rigid centralisation by a religious order. The ohesive force of the Daraawiish state polity was based on religious ideology, and was a radical departure from the politics of clan alliance

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