Biblical Cush is not Egyptian Kasu

[Yaquub]

I'm fed up of hamite history the bible describes it so clearly and states they were the black ppl (noah only had 3 sons and the rest of the earth's population drowned) yet ppl deny they were black and say they were white, some say arabs and others say horners. It still stands to be that their history is fucked up and they were terrible ppl, so lets stop arguing about who they were and focus on better things.

 

[Sosomalis]

I would be very skeptical of these claims. Kerma was the direct predecessor material culture to Merowe, though a thousand years earlier in history. The Kerma culture was 3500 years ago! Also noone can read Kerma inscriptions either, except the ones written in Egyptian.

Well according to Geerst he says that according to the Old Egyptian Kingdom sources, Kerma was Cushitic. Also the Noobin load words from Cushitic languages would mean that the original inhabitants were such. This is fact!

 

[James Dahl]

How can Kerma be Cushitic 3000 years before Kush existed?

I think you should check this source again and check what word the cited Egyptian text actually used, Kasu or Ta-Seti

 

[James Dahl]

Megalommatis may be a maniac, but at least he references his claims. This is not talking about Beja. Dr Birbirso is Oromo and this is a 55-page peer-reviewed paper. Meroe persisted until 300 AD.

https://www.academia.edu/5847718/Me...he_mystery_of_Meroitic_language?auto=download

MEROE, OROMO AND OLD NUBIAN: SOLVING THE MYSTERY
OF MEROITIC LANGUAGE
Dereje Tadesse Birbirso (PhD)
College of Social Science and Humanities
Haramaya University, Ethiopia
dttadesse@yahoo.com
Abstract
"Meroitic language is one of the most controversial ancient languages but one of the few having
advanced writing systems. Some classify it Asian, European, non-African, Semitic, or
‘unclassified’. This paper contends Meroe, similar to their Cushitic friends, are left victims of
preconceived ideas based on an entirely argument from silence, an hegemonic epistemology that
elevates a single perspective and silences other(s). This paper, thus, comparatively analyzes
Meroitic and Old Nubian lexical and grammatical items with corresponding Oromo, a Cushitic
family which, many classical and contemporary philologists/linguists argue derives from a unique
vocabulary possibly the Ancient language of the Nile Valley and/or Horn of Africa. Meroitic and
Old Nubian lexical, grammatical and epigraphic data were collected from secondary sources by
Meroitic researchers. Oromo corpora are obtained both from classical and modern descriptions
and native-speakers. Results indicate Oromo lexemes show significant level of cognates with not
only Meroitic and Old Nubian, but also with the Ancient Egyptian to their northern part.
Keywords: Oromo, Meroe, Nubian, Ancient Egyptian, Cushitic"

This isn't conclusive though, first of all this is a word list, not a grammar. Word lists you have loanwords, especially with neighbors, and Nubian has lots of Egyptian and Beja loanwords, and Beja and other Cushitic languages have Nilotic loanwords, so yes you're going to have a few distantly related Cushitic sounding words, but this is not how you judge the similarity of a language.

I don't claim that Malay and Albanian are very closely related because tractor is traktor in Albanian and Malay, they both borrowed it from English. Tons of Cushitic vocabulary were borrowed from Egyptian from the Copts and Cushitic speakers alike, this doesn't mean the languages are related, it means they lived near Egypt for thousands of years.

You can use the same comparison to draw a link between Old Nubian and Byzantine Greek because lots of words are the same, but that is because of religion and loanwords.

 

[Grant]

How can Kerma be Cushitic 3000 years before Kush existed?

I think you should check this source again and check what word the cited Egyptian text actually used, Kasu or Ta-Seti

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-kingdom-of-kush-171464

Kush Civilization Chronology

• Upper Paleolithic Period 27,000-10,000 BP
• Khartoum Mesolithic 8000-4000 BC
• Early Farming Neolithic aka A Group Culture (Sayala and Qustul) 4000-2000 BC
• Ancient Kerma, 2500-2050 BC (Kerma)
• Middle Kerma, 2050-1750 BC
• Classic Kerma, 1750-1500 BC (allied with Hyksos)
• Egyptian Nubia, 1550-750 BC (Kerma destroyed, Tombos)
• Napatan Period, 750-660 BC (Gebel Barkal, El Kurra)
• Assyrian Rule, 660 BC-270 BC
• Meroitic Period, 270 BC-AD 370 (Meroe, Qasr Ibrim, Karanoq, Arminna West)
• Christian [AD 370-AD 1100]
• Medieval [AD 1100-1400]
• Islamic Nubia [AD 1400

 

[Grant]

This isn't conclusive though, first of all this is a word list, not a grammar. Word lists you have loanwords, especially with neighbors, and Nubian has lots of Egyptian and Beja loanwords, and Beja and other Cushitic languages have Nilotic loanwords, so yes you're going to have a few distantly related Cushitic sounding words, but this is not how you judge the similarity of a language.

I don't claim that Malay and Albanian are very closely related because tractor is traktor in Albanian and Malay, they both borrowed it from English. Tons of Cushitic vocabulary were borrowed from Egyptian from the Copts and Cushitic speakers alike, this doesn't mean the languages are related, it means they lived near Egypt for thousands of years.

You can use the same comparison to draw a link between Old Nubian and Byzantine Greek because lots of words are the same, but that is because of religion and loanwords.

Listen to yourself, James, and tell me what this means:

"Tons of Cushitic vocabulary were borrowed from Egyptian from the Copts and Cushitic speakers alike, this doesn't mean the languages are related, it means they lived near Egypt for thousands of years"

Perhaps you should stop and read the paper. There's more there than vocabulary lists.

 

[Grant]

Well according to Geerst he says that according to the Old Egyptian Kingdom sources, Kerma was Cushitic. Also the Noobin load words from Cushitic languages would mean that the original inhabitants were such. This is fact!

Thank you, Sir! Just adding a link.....

https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-the-Cushites

A number of extinct populations are thought to have spoken Afro-Asiatic languages of the Cushitic branch. According to Peter Behrens (1981) and Marianne Bechaus-Gerst (2000), linguistic evidence indicates that the peoples of the Kerma Culture in present-day southern Egypt and northern Sudan spoke Cushitic languages.

The Nilo-Saharan Nobiin language today contains a number of key pastoralism related loanwords that are of proto-Highland East Cushitic origin, including the terms for sheep/goatskin, hen/cock, livestock enclosure, butter and milk. This in turn suggests that the Kerma population — which, along with the C-Group culture, inhabited the Nile Valley immediately before the arrival of the first Nubian speakers — spoke Afro-Asiatic languages.

The Kerma culture or Kerma kingdom was an early civilization centered in Kerma, Sudan. It flourished from around 2500 BCE to 1500 BCE in ancient Nubia, located in Upper Egypt and northern Sudan.

The polity seems to have been one of a number of Nile Valley states during the Middle Kingdom of Egypt. In the Kingdom of Kerma's latest phase, lasting from about 1700–1500 BCE, it absorbed the Sudanese kingdom of Sai and became a sizable, populous empire rivaling Egypt. Around 1500 BCE, it was absorbed into the New Kingdom of Egypt, but rebellions continued for centuries. By the eleventh century BCE, the more-Egyptianized Kingdom of Kush emerged, possibly from Kerma, and regained the region's independence from Egypt.

Archaeologists excavating near Kerma discovered a cache of monumental black granite statues of the Pharaohs of the Twenty-fifth Dynasty of Egypt. Among the sculptures were ones belonging to the dynasty's last two pharaohs, Taharqa and Tanoutamon, whose statues are described as "masterpieces that rank among the greatest in art history.

Statues of some of Kerma’s rulers.

These Cushites have become assimilated into Nilo-Saharan cultures becoming the modern day Nubians. DNA has proven that Nubians are genetically closely related to their Cushitic and Ethio-Eri Semitic (Afro-Asiatic) neighbors instead of their fellow Nilo-Saharan speakers.

In this study we present an extensive genome-wide data set characterizing East African human genetic diversity in populations from Sudan, South Sudan and Ethiopia. We further analyse the Nilo-Saharan ancestral component within the variation of South-Saharan Africans.

Nubians are the only Nilo-Saharan speaking group that does not cluster with groups of the same linguistic affiliation, but with Sudanese Afro-Asiatic speaking groups (Arabs and Cushitic Beja) and Afro-Asiatic Ethiopians.

Y-chromosome and mitochondrial DNA studies reported Nubians to be more similar to Egyptians and Ethiopians than to other Nilo-Saharan populations.

The genetics of East African populations: a Nilo-Saharan component in the African genetic landscape

A random subset of 18 individuals from each population was selected to avoid sample size bias. Columns represent individuals, where the size of each colour segment represents the proportion of ancestry from each cluster. Although k = 3 is the statistically supported model, here we show the results from k = 2 through k = 5 as they explain several ancestral components: North African/Middle Eastern (dark blue), Sub-Saharan (light blue), Coptic/Cushitic (dark green), Nilo-Saharan (light green) and Fulani (pink). MKK = Maasai from Kinyawa, Kenya; LWK = Luhya from Webuye, Kenya; YRI = Yoruba from Ibadan, Nigeria.

 

[Ahmed Ali]

Look the white man is from Mars. and they made a hybrid children light skin arabs and brought them to Africa.

The real Arab are black or brown or light skin but not red skin which is the European skin from planet Mars.

 

[Ahmed Ali]