Biblical Cush is not Egyptian Kasu

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Pirate

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Interesting, which tradition is this?
you mean nimrod or the haman guy? both are in the islamic tradition... nimrod was son of caanan not Cush like the bible and jewish tradition. haman was a Egyptian figure who was the pharaohs right hand man in the islamic tradition not a Babylonian figure like the bible and jewish tradition say. now with the Rosetta Stone and deciphering the glyphs of Egypt we now know haman was a real Egyptian figure and adviser to the pharaoh
 

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in the islamic tradition cannann is the father of nimrod not Cush. it makes sense as canon was the cursed son of ham while in the islamic tradition Cush is a blessed son of ham a lot of the stories the bible has been remixed like the story of nimrods right hand man in the bible is called haman when in the islamic tradition it says haman was the economist of Egypt and adviser to the pharaoh of Moses time... now that we can read ancient Egypt there was a discovery that Egypt had a figure close to the pharaohs named haman

Source, please. I'm pretty sure they are just israeli riwayat and not hadiths..
 

Pirate

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Source, please. I'm pretty sure they are just israeli riwayat and not hadiths..
these are authentic hadiths u twerp.... how can it be jewish when they & christians believe nimrod is from Cush. the islamic tradition nimrod aka nimrood was a son of cannan and that makes sense since cannan was the cursed son of ham...Nimrod was the first evil ruler of the world. there is 6 rulers of the world 3 good and 3 evil nimrod was the first and Jesus is going to be the last ruler after he defeats dajall. other rulers of the earth include zul qarnayn... Solomon... pharaoh of moses time.... dajall the anti christ... and Jesus who will be the last ruler of the earth.
 

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these are authentic hadiths u twerp.... how can it be jewish when they & christians believe nimrod is from Cush. the islamic tradition nimrod aka nimrood was a son of cannan and that makes sense since cannan was the cursed son of ham...Nimrod was the first evil ruler of the world. there is 6 rulers of the world 3 good and 3 evil nimrod was the first and Jesus is going to be the last ruler after he defeats dajall. other rulers of the earth include zul qarnayn... Solomon... pharaoh of moses time.... dajall the anti christ... and Jesus who will be the last ruler of the earth.
Blablabla.. Post these so called authentic hadiths
 

Von

With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
I wonder this too. why do we have no ancient history like Ethiopia ffs
The word Ethiopia means burn face people, from North Sudan to Somalia, the modern day nation of Ethiopia hijacked the name for the region.
 
I meant who do Cushitic speakers descend from?

Ah well there are some theories and science in regards to that question. The Cushitic languages are theorized to descend from one common ancestor language that was spoken about 8000 years ago, descending from the common ancestor of Semitic languages, Berber and Hausa about 10,000 years ago. This 8000 years ago period is also when the Y dna haplogroup commonly found in Cushitic men also entered the horn of Africa.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK210022/

This 10,000 years ago period corresponds with the time when the Ice Age ended and the Horn of Africa became habitable again to stone age humans.
 
I meant who do Cushitic speakers descend from?

You will see in the comments to this article that Somalis do not like or agree with at least some of the details.. Still, it agrees with much that is known and it's a long, long article with a lot of detail.
(It agrees in general terms with this academically popular version of Somali origins: http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm ) It's pre-DNA but should still be of interest.

https://bakipress.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/the-ethnic-origin-of-the-somali-people-and-clan-system/


"The Somali people are one of several Hamitic ethnic groups in East Africa known as Cushites, descendants of the Kingdom of Cush. Their language is also one of several related languages referred to as Cushitic languages. As Hamites, they probably migrated from the Arabian Peninsula sometime earlier. One can speculate that the Kingdom of Cush was originally founded by Cush, the first son of Ham, who was the second son of Noah.<104> According to the elders of the Beja ethnic group in Ethiopia, another Cushitic ethnic group, they do explicitly claim to be descendents of Cush, the son of Ham, the son of Noah.<105>
The Kingdom of Cush was formed about 1000 B.C., i.e. about 30 to 40 generations before Christ. It lasted until about 330 A.D, with a lifespan of about 1300 years or 40 to 50 generations — much longer than that of any modern nation. Its written language has never been deciphered completely and therefore there is only scanty knowledge about its history.<106> Since the language of Egypt at that time has been deciphered, much of what we know about Cush is due to incidental references to Cush in the history of Egypt as its neighbor.
The Kingdom of Cush was the immediate neighbor of Egypt to the South, in what is now the Sudan. Its first capital was in Napata on the Nile River, but the capital moved from Napata to Meroë around 600 B.C. There was much trade and interchange of ideas between Egypt and Cush, as well as major battles between them. Prior to formation of this Kingdom, the Cushitic people may have been largely dominated by Egypt. During the existence of this Kingdom, there was a closer balance of power, back-and-forth, whereby the Kingdom of Cush supplied the Kings who ruled Egypt in its 25’th Dynasty.<107>
The Kingdom of Cush played a major role in introducing the technology and production of iron and iron implements in this region. However, the history of the beginning of the Iron Age is unclear, particularly concerning whether this technology developed at one location and spread to other locations or developed spontaneously at several different locations at about the same time. It appears that the Cushites developed this technology for producing and using iron themselves, but there is no firm proof.
The move of their capital from Napata to Meroë was probably due to the combination of an Egyptian military expedition that occupied Napata and the better conditions for producing iron at Meroë.
The Kingdom of Cush exchanged ambassadors with Rome and probably provided elephants and training of elephants for military use in the Roman empire and by its adversaries. It maintained extensive trade with Arabia to its East and with Africa to its South. From a high point of about 200 B.C., the fortunes of the Kingdom of Cush declined, particularly due to the growing power of the Auxumites from Auxum (located in the province of Tigray of modern Ethiopia). Their military defeat of the Cushites around 330 A.D. appears to have marked the end of the Kingdom of Cush."

The language of Meroe was Cushitic. The Cushites followed the Nile tributaries into the Ethiopian highlands and then followed the Dawa, Genale and Shabelli onto the plains.


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Figure A-4-2: Two Chains Leading into the Somali Ethnic Group
Figure A-4-2 illustrates the two larger chains that define the Somali ethnic group. One is from the Hamitic Kingdom of Cush and the the other is from Semitic Arab settlers. They merged together to create the Somali ethnic group. Genetically and culturally, the older Cushitic chain is the dominant force. The Somali language comes from this chain. In terms of clan structure and religion, the more recent chain from about 4 Arab settlers may be the dominant force. However, the Islamic religion was present before these clans originated and both the clan structure and other traditions are very similar to those of the Oramo ethnic group that lived there earlier.
There is a very new genetic technique, based upon comparing the DNA molecules in human mitichondria, that enables geneticists to estimate the number of generations back when two people had a common mother. Using this technique, it should now be possible, as an example, to determine how closely the different Cushitic ethnic groups are related to each other. This technique may be very useful in closing the gap from about 330 AD until about 1200 AD, where we know very little about how the Cushitic people evolved.<116>

Note the dates and ages,
 

Von

With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
You will see in the comments to this article that Somalis do not like or agree with at least some of the details.. Still, it agrees with much that is known and it's a long, long article with a lot of detail.
(It agrees in general terms with this academically popular version of Somali origins: http://countrystudies.us/somalia/3.htm ) It's pre-DNA but should still be of interest.

https://bakipress.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/the-ethnic-origin-of-the-somali-people-and-clan-system/


"The Somali people are one of several Hamitic ethnic groups in East Africa known as Cushites, descendants of the Kingdom of Cush. Their language is also one of several related languages referred to as Cushitic languages. As Hamites, they probably migrated from the Arabian Peninsula sometime earlier. One can speculate that the Kingdom of Cush was originally founded by Cush, the first son of Ham, who was the second son of Noah.<104> According to the elders of the Beja ethnic group in Ethiopia, another Cushitic ethnic group, they do explicitly claim to be descendents of Cush, the son of Ham, the son of Noah.<105>
The Kingdom of Cush was formed about 1000 B.C., i.e. about 30 to 40 generations before Christ. It lasted until about 330 A.D, with a lifespan of about 1300 years or 40 to 50 generations — much longer than that of any modern nation. Its written language has never been deciphered completely and therefore there is only scanty knowledge about its history.<106> Since the language of Egypt at that time has been deciphered, much of what we know about Cush is due to incidental references to Cush in the history of Egypt as its neighbor.
The Kingdom of Cush was the immediate neighbor of Egypt to the South, in what is now the Sudan. Its first capital was in Napata on the Nile River, but the capital moved from Napata to Meroë around 600 B.C. There was much trade and interchange of ideas between Egypt and Cush, as well as major battles between them. Prior to formation of this Kingdom, the Cushitic people may have been largely dominated by Egypt. During the existence of this Kingdom, there was a closer balance of power, back-and-forth, whereby the Kingdom of Cush supplied the Kings who ruled Egypt in its 25’th Dynasty.<107>
The Kingdom of Cush played a major role in introducing the technology and production of iron and iron implements in this region. However, the history of the beginning of the Iron Age is unclear, particularly concerning whether this technology developed at one location and spread to other locations or developed spontaneously at several different locations at about the same time. It appears that the Cushites developed this technology for producing and using iron themselves, but there is no firm proof.
The move of their capital from Napata to Meroë was probably due to the combination of an Egyptian military expedition that occupied Napata and the better conditions for producing iron at Meroë.
The Kingdom of Cush exchanged ambassadors with Rome and probably provided elephants and training of elephants for military use in the Roman empire and by its adversaries. It maintained extensive trade with Arabia to its East and with Africa to its South. From a high point of about 200 B.C., the fortunes of the Kingdom of Cush declined, particularly due to the growing power of the Auxumites from Auxum (located in the province of Tigray of modern Ethiopia). Their military defeat of the Cushites around 330 A.D. appears to have marked the end of the Kingdom of Cush."

The language of Meroe was Cushitic. The Cushites followed the Nile tributaries into the Ethiopian highlands and then followed the Dawa, Genale and Shabelli onto the plains.


fig_a4-2.gif





Figure A-4-2: Two Chains Leading into the Somali Ethnic Group
Figure A-4-2 illustrates the two larger chains that define the Somali ethnic group. One is from the Hamitic Kingdom of Cush and the the other is from Semitic Arab settlers. They merged together to create the Somali ethnic group. Genetically and culturally, the older Cushitic chain is the dominant force. The Somali language comes from this chain. In terms of clan structure and religion, the more recent chain from about 4 Arab settlers may be the dominant force. However, the Islamic religion was present before these clans originated and both the clan structure and other traditions are very similar to those of the Oramo ethnic group that lived there earlier.
There is a very new genetic technique, based upon comparing the DNA molecules in human mitichondria, that enables geneticists to estimate the number of generations back when two people had a common mother. Using this technique, it should now be possible, as an example, to determine how closely the different Cushitic ethnic groups are related to each other. This technique may be very useful in closing the gap from about 330 AD until about 1200 AD, where we know very little about how the Cushitic people evolved.<116>

Note the dates and ages,
The fall of Cush in 330AD does aline with the ages of the Somali cities being no older than 300 BC for the Greek texts
 
There's no link that's ever been found between the Kingdom of Kush and "Cushitic" people in the horn of Africa, the name Cushitic Languages was invented by European ethnographers in the 19th century. The ancestors of Somalis did enter the horn via Sudan and Egypt, but that was 10,000 years ago, not 1000 years.

9000 years is a really long time, you can't just hand-wave that away. Somalis and their relatives are effectively the native people of the horn, as there is no evidence of anyone inhabiting the horn before them.
 
There's no link that's ever been found between the Kingdom of Kush and "Cushitic" people in the horn of Africa, the name Cushitic Languages was invented by European ethnographers in the 19th century. The ancestors of Somalis did enter the horn via Sudan and Egypt, but that was 10,000 years ago, not 1000 years.

9000 years is a really long time, you can't just hand-wave that away. Somalis and their relatives are effectively the native people of the horn, as there is no evidence of anyone inhabiting the horn before them.

James,

Mota Man was E1b1, not related to the Cushites. The Ari Blacksmiths are the only folks in the Horn that go back 10 thousand years, and they are Negroid. Gogoshiis Gabe is the earliest known archaeological record in Somalia, and it was inhabited by the Eyle, who are either Khoisan or Negroid.

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Kingdom_of_Kush

"Dental trait analysis of fossils dating from the Meroitic period in Semna, Nubia, found that they were closely related to Afroasiatic-speaking populations inhabiting the Nile Valley, Horn of Africa, Maghreb and Canary Islands. The Meroitic skeletons and these ancient and recent fossils were also phenotypically distinct from those belonging to recent Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan and Khoisan-speaking populations in Sub-Saharan Africa, as well as from the Mesolithic period inhabitants of Jebel Sahaba in Nubia.[21]"

Here's one of several recent papers claiming the Oromo came up the Blue Nile from Meroe:

https://megalommatis.wordpress.com/...ethiopian-origins-of-the-modern-oromo-nation/

And here's the classic from Herbert Lewis, showing the Cushites in southern Ethiopia:

https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1962.tb50145.x

I would say the 19th century "Cushitic language designation" has evolved. As has the dating for the various migrations into the Horn.
 

Pirate

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James,

Mota Man was E1b1, not related to the Cushites. The Ari Blacksmiths are the only folks in the Horn that go back 10 thousand years, and they are Negroid. Gogoshiis Gabe is the earliest known archaeological record in Somalia, and it was inhabited by the Eyle, who are either Khoisan or Negroid.

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Kingdom_of_Kush

"Dental trait analysis of fossils dating from the Meroitic period in Semna, Nubia, found that they were closely related to Afroasiatic-speaking populations inhabiting the Nile Valley, Horn of Africa, Maghreb and Canary Islands. The Meroitic skeletons and these ancient and recent fossils were also phenotypically distinct from those belonging to recent Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan and Khoisan-speaking populations in Sub-Saharan Africa, as well as from the Mesolithic period inhabitants of Jebel Sahaba in Nubia.[21]"

Here's one of several recent papers claiming the Oromo came up the Blue Nile from Meroe:

https://megalommatis.wordpress.com/...ethiopian-origins-of-the-modern-oromo-nation/

And here's the classic from Herbert Lewis, showing the Cushites in southern Ethiopia:

https://nyaspubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1962.tb50145.x

I would say the 19th century "Cushitic language designation" has evolved. As has the dating for the various migrations into the Horn.
ari blacksmith are omotic speakers who are related to Cushitic speakers.... the eyle are madibaan hunters who have Somali bantu admixture they are a Cushitic ppl even tho they have mixed wit bantus to some extant
 
ari blacksmith are omotic speakers who are related to Cushitic speakers.... the eyle are madibaan hunters who have Somali bantu admixture they are a Cushitic ppl even tho they have mixed wit bantus to some extant

The Eyle were in Somalia long before the Bantu:

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Buur_Heybe

"Demographics
Buur Heybe is today primarily inhabited by the Eyle, an ethnic minority community of agropastoralists, potters and part-time hunters, their ethnonym translates as the "hunters with dogs".[2] The Eyle are believed to be remnants of the aboriginal Khoisan hunter-gatherers who inhabited southern Somalia prior to the arrival from the north of Afro-Asiatic populations of the Cushitic branch.[6] Buur Heybe is consequently also known as Buur Eyle ("Eyle mountain"), in recognition of the first inhabitants in the surrounding villages of Howaal Dheri, Berdaale and Muuney.[2]"

http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/06/omotic-speakers-uniparental-data.html

"This, the overlap in Y-DNA E-M329 and the notable levels of shared drift between Mota and the Ari lends some clear credence to the notion that various Omotic speaking populations may in large part be descended from people related & very similar to the ~4,500 year old Mota-man."

Look up Mota Man. He is the standard for Ethiopian genetics BEFORE Asiatic admixture and is said to be intermediate to the Negroid Ari and the Khoisan Sandawe. He has no Asiatic admixture.
 

Pirate

Shep Tupacs brother
The Eyle were in Somalia long before the Bantu:

https://wikivisually.com/wiki/Buur_Heybe

"Demographics
Buur Heybe is today primarily inhabited by the Eyle, an ethnic minority community of agropastoralists, potters and part-time hunters, their ethnonym translates as the "hunters with dogs".[2] The Eyle are believed to be remnants of the aboriginal Khoisan hunter-gatherers who inhabited southern Somalia prior to the arrival from the north of Afro-Asiatic populations of the Cushitic branch.[6] Buur Heybe is consequently also known as Buur Eyle ("Eyle mountain"), in recognition of the first inhabitants in the surrounding villages of Howaal Dheri, Berdaale and Muuney.[2]"

http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016/06/omotic-speakers-uniparental-data.html

"This, the overlap in Y-DNA E-M329 and the notable levels of shared drift between Mota and the Ari lends some clear credence to the notion that various Omotic speaking populations may in large part be descended from people related & very similar to the ~4,500 year old Mota-man."

Look up Mota Man. He is the standard for Ethiopian genetics BEFORE Asiatic admixture and is said to be intermediate to the Negroid Ari and the Khoisan Sandawe. He has no Asiatic admixture.
naa cro the eyle are madibaan some are mixed with jereer..... are you saying madibaan are Khoisan????
 
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