Pirate
Shep Tupacs brother
omotic was once called west Cushitic because of its connection to the Cushitic languages somalis are east Cushitic
Biblical Cush is not Egyptian Kasu
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"The Omotic branch of Afro-Asiatic is divided into two subgroups: North (also known as Nomotic) and South (or Somotic). South Omotic consists of the Ari, Dime, Hamar, Gayil and Karo languages. Of these South Omotic idioms, the first three are sometimes collectively known as “Aroid”.
Anthropologists and linguists working in the Ethiopian region have long observed a marked physical and linguistic cleavage between, on the one hand, the speakers of the Aroid Omotic languages, and on the other, the non-Aroid Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations. Harold C. Fleming, who coined the term “Omotic” and helped establish the validity of the phylum as an independent branch of the Afro-Asiatic family, remarks that the Ari are generally “Negroid” in physiognomy, in contrast to the “Ethiopid” northern Cushitic and Ethiosemitic groups:
"Negroid people from the Sudan, speaking languages ancestral to those classified as the four branches of the Nilo-Saharan family settled in West and South West Ethiopia about the third millenium B.C. (Pre-Nilotes). They became ancestors of peoples living on the western border and intermixed with Omotic speakers to form the Ari, Basketo, Dimi and Gimira-Maji groups of tribes. The languages spoken in Ethiopia in the third millennium B.C. are derived from a single stock (Hamito-Semitic or Afro-Asiatic) originating in the Eastern Sahara."
They are variously said to be Negroid and Khoisan. I don't know of any genetic work yet, but Gogoshiis Qabe is 11 to 12 thousand years old, one of the oldest sites in the Horn.
Pirate
Shep Tupacs brother
the Hamer language is very closely related to the Cushitic language dats why omotic was known as west Cushitic before being called omotic....
have you ever heard of birale aka ongata they are Cushitic speakers whose language has a Nilotic substratum
Pirate
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my cro grant dis image is from da same site u linked it shows the people of punt at the top row as two tribes with different colours a redskin colour(Cushitic speakers) and a dark skin colour(Eastern Sudanic Nilotic speakers) the Omotic people are even more closely related to the Cushitic speakers. the third row we see the real Kushite Nubians and dey also got two tribes a darkskin Shilluk look and a reddish colour Nubian, Beja look also notice this guy with the blue hair I will educate u on who dat is in the modern day.
@South Cushitic yo Maasai kid come here ur people are part of the eastern sudanic speakers im talking about.
heres the full version Top row is the land of punt showing bringing frankincense majority of the worlds frankincense come from the horn(Somalia produces 90% of the global frankincense and myrrh)...... Second row keftiu(Minoans aka Ancient greeks) is the second row notice the colour is the same reddish colour as the africans(Punt,Kush and Egyptians) these guys might be ur ancestors u got the E1b1b right???....
the Kushites Nubians (shilluk,Nubi) are third row...... then its the Libyans they are shown as a white looking race these are the modern day white berbers from the Atlas Mountains. The Egyptians are on the right hand side notice they dress and look most like the people of Punt and some of the tribes of Kush the white cloth called gundate in ancient Egyptian language a lot of Cushitic speakers like Somali also call it by dis name.... notice also the people of punt wearing red head bands it will come play later when im educating u old guy ...
Nice pics!! You don\t seem to be making any points or discussing the settlement of the Horn, though. You also seem to have missed this:my cro grant dis image is from da same site u linked it shows the people of punt at the top row as two tribes with different colours a redskin colour(Cushitic speakers) and a dark skin colour(Eastern Sudanic Nilotic speakers) the Omotic people are even more closely related to the Cushitic speakers. the third row we see the real Kushite Nubians and dey also got two tribes a darkskin Shilluk look and a reddish colour Nubian, Beja look also notice this guy with the blue hair I will educate u on who dat is in the modern day.
@South Cushitic yo Maasai kid come here ur people are part of the eastern sudanic speakers im talking about.
heres the full version Top row is the land of punt showing bringing frankincense majority of the worlds frankincense come from the horn(Somalia produces 90% of the global frankincense and myrrh)...... Second row keftiu(Minoans aka Ancient greeks) is the second row notice the colour is the same reddish colour as the africans(Punt,Kush and Egyptians) these guys might be ur ancestors u got the E1b1b right???....
the Kushites Nubians (shilluk,Nubi) are third row...... then its the Libyans they are shown as a white looking race these are the modern day white berbers from the Atlas Mountains. The Egyptians are on the right hand side notice they dress and look most like the people of Punt and some of the tribes of Kush the white cloth called gundate in ancient Egyptian language a lot of Cushitic speakers like Somali also call it by dis name.... notice also the people of punt wearing red head bands it will come play later when im educating u old guy ...
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"A better and older “African” reference population than Mota would, therefore, perhaps be Schepartz (1987)’s hunter-gatherer sample from the Gogoshiis Qabe Rockshelter in southern Somalia (8,100-5,400 BP). Sellers (2008) compared these skeletons’ dental metric affinities to those of modern ethnic Somali pastoralists and Final Paleolithic Nubian hunter-gatherers, Sudanese agriculturists (3,400-1,200 BP) and Sudanese intensive agriculturists (1-1,500 BCE), and found that the ethnic Somali individuals were much more closely related to the more recent Sudanese intensive agriculturalists (viz. the Meroitic, X-Group and Christian period populations) and Sudanese agriculturalists (viz. the A-Group and C-Group populations) than to the Gogoshiis Qabe Rockshelter hunter-gatherers and Final Paleolithic Nubian hunter-gatherers. As explained on Ancient DNA from Sudan, this is because ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations that today inhabit the Horn did not actually evolve there. Their ancestors — namely, the Puntites; not the Gogoshiis Qabe Rockshelter hunter-gatherers or Mota or the LBK makers — arrived instead from the Sahara and Nile Valley. The latter area is the likely Afro-Asiatic urheimat or “original homeland”."
Horses that don't drink when they are led to water stay thirsty.
https://landofpunt.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/ancient-dna-from-sudan/
"This finding is consistent with the Coptic ancestral component that Dobon et al. (2015) observed to be the defining element among Egyptian Copts and other Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Nile Valley and Ethiopia, as well as among many present-day Nubians. Hodgson et al. (2014) found an analogous West Eurasian ancestral component among Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Horn region, with a frequency peak among ethnic Somalis. Since it is unlikely that there was a population replacement among Nubians in the intervening centuries after the medieval Christian period, we can safely assume that the Coptic/Ethio-Somali ancestral component that defines modern Nubians is the same West Eurasian-affiliated ancestral component that defines the KulR17 specimen from Kulubnarti.
Additionally, this aDNA result is in keeping with the aforenoted osteological affinities of MXCH period skeletons from Sudan, as well as medieval iconography of Nubian royalty (see illustration on right). In future posts, we shall see that this finding is also in alignment with the linguistic affiliations of the earlier C-Group and Kerma Afro-Asiatic cultures, and possibly also that of the Meroitic civilization."
"This finding is consistent with the Coptic ancestral component that Dobon et al. (2015) observed to be the defining element among Egyptian Copts and other Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Nile Valley and Ethiopia, as well as among many present-day Nubians. Hodgson et al. (2014) found an analogous West Eurasian ancestral component among Afro-Asiatic speakers in the Horn region, with a frequency peak among ethnic Somalis. Since it is unlikely that there was a population replacement among Nubians in the intervening centuries after the medieval Christian period, we can safely assume that the Coptic/Ethio-Somali ancestral component that defines modern Nubians is the same West Eurasian-affiliated ancestral component that defines the KulR17 specimen from Kulubnarti.
Additionally, this aDNA result is in keeping with the aforenoted osteological affinities of MXCH period skeletons from Sudan, as well as medieval iconography of Nubian royalty (see illustration on right). In future posts, we shall see that this finding is also in alignment with the linguistic affiliations of the earlier C-Group and Kerma Afro-Asiatic cultures, and possibly also that of the Meroitic civilization."
So who were the people of the Kingdom of Punt?
Pirate
Shep Tupacs brother
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punt is phut cro ......Libya has a different name its called lubim but sum white boy scholars say put is Libya...
Von
With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
Eritrea and Sudan (probably Beja people). Mind you, Punt is noting nothing special if it wasn't for Egypt mentioning them, history would have forgotten them.
Phut was from Libya but Libya just means everything west of Egypt
Pirate
Shep Tupacs brother
grant I showed you those drawings to show you that Cushitic(somalis,oromo) and eastern sudanic Nilotic like mursi and Maasai are actually related to each other.... there is a omo tribe called birale they are a Cushitic ppl who live in the Omo they speak ongata which is Cushitic language but has Nilotic sub stratum.....
the eastern sudanic ppls language like maasai also has a Cushitic substratum... eastern sudanic pps have a age grade set culture they got dis from Cushitic speakers... they also have cow rituals similar to borana Oromo we didn't come from Sudan we came from the horn read Christopher ehret he believes the urheimat or original homeland to be in the horn of Africa
Not true. Before the arrival of Nilo Saharan speakers. Lower Nubia and Upper Egypt was fully "Cushitic". Kerma and most other ancient civilization were "Cushitic" and NOT Nilo Saharan.
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As far as I know, noone has decyphered Meroitic enough to say what language they spoke, this is conjecture.
At least two authors claim the Oromo came up the Blue Nile from Meroe:
https://megalommatis.wordpress.com/...ethiopian-origins-of-the-modern-oromo-nation/
https://www.google.com/search?q=the...AhWJFXwKHUMoAWcQ9QEIaTAJ#imgrc=ZkZSUvQGk5xSjM:
https://www.academia.edu/5847718/Meroe_Oromo_and_Old_Nubian_Solving_the_mystery_of_Meroitic_language
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Megalommatis is a maniac. I've read some theories about a possible link with Beja, but Oromo would be very distantly related to Meroitic, like thousands of years ago.
The thing is, it's not like we can't read Meroitic, it's written in cursive Egyptian hieroglyphics, which we can read, but noone can TRANSLATE Meroitic, because it's a language that noone can interpret, because it's too different from all existing languages.
I've read a few Beja speakers who claim they can read a word here and there, but that's different from saying they can say what a text actually says.
The thing is, it's not like we can't read Meroitic, it's written in cursive Egyptian hieroglyphics, which we can read, but noone can TRANSLATE Meroitic, because it's a language that noone can interpret, because it's too different from all existing languages.
I've read a few Beja speakers who claim they can read a word here and there, but that's different from saying they can say what a text actually says.
I'm talking about the civilizations which were older than Meroe. Kerma for example was Cushitic. I'm also reading new discoveries that the A culture was also Cushitic
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I would be very skeptical of these claims. Kerma was the direct predecessor material culture to Merowe, though a thousand years earlier in history. The Kerma culture was 3500 years ago! Also noone can read Kerma inscriptions either, except the ones written in Egyptian.
Megalommatis may be a maniac, but at least he references his claims. This is not talking about Beja. Dr Birbirso is Oromo and this is a 55-page peer-reviewed paper. Meroe persisted until 300 AD.
https://www.academia.edu/5847718/Me...he_mystery_of_Meroitic_language?auto=download
MEROE, OROMO AND OLD NUBIAN: SOLVING THE MYSTERY
OF MEROITIC LANGUAGE
Dereje Tadesse Birbirso (PhD)
College of Social Science and Humanities
Haramaya University, Ethiopia
dttadesse@yahoo.com
Abstract
"Meroitic language is one of the most controversial ancient languages but one of the few having
advanced writing systems. Some classify it Asian, European, non-African, Semitic, or
‘unclassified’. This paper contends Meroe, similar to their Cushitic friends, are left victims of
preconceived ideas based on an entirely argument from silence, an hegemonic epistemology that
elevates a single perspective and silences other(s). This paper, thus, comparatively analyzes
Meroitic and Old Nubian lexical and grammatical items with corresponding Oromo, a Cushitic
family which, many classical and contemporary philologists/linguists argue derives from a unique
vocabulary possibly the Ancient language of the Nile Valley and/or Horn of Africa. Meroitic and
Old Nubian lexical, grammatical and epigraphic data were collected from secondary sources by
Meroitic researchers. Oromo corpora are obtained both from classical and modern descriptions
and native-speakers. Results indicate Oromo lexemes show significant level of cognates with not
only Meroitic and Old Nubian, but also with the Ancient Egyptian to their northern part.
Keywords: Oromo, Meroe, Nubian, Ancient Egyptian, Cushitic"
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