Azania

[Factz]

Factz does not read his sources he just copy pastes.

You're a self hating cuck for allowing this old fool to lie about the Somali history. I brought factual evidence to prove my points while this racist historical revisionist discredits every Somali history and constantly lies about Somali history with his erroneous blogs. Do not defend such a devil.

Also, I never contradicted on what I posted. The map I have shown says these ancient Somali city-states ports export gold and spices. Check the map again.

 

[Grant]

Factz does not read his sources he just copy pastes.

Yep. And he's already got his reply up before he can read what he's replying to. He'd have gotten apoplexy and couldn't do a thing if he'd read the first link:

http://www.wernerhermans.com/downloads/Ancient Arab settlements of the Swahili Coast.pdf

"Often overlooked by visitors to East Africa, the coastal areas of
southern Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania and northern Mozambique
boast several ruined and extant historical towns of significant
cultural importance. Although some receive an increasing
number of visitors–especially Stone Town in Zanzibar and Lamu in
Kenya–most sites seldom see a single soul. Places like Kilwa
and Pemba in Tanzania are notable for their remote and isolated
location, whilst the city of Mogadishu has been a no go area for years
due to the ongoing Somali civil war. This brief introduction to East Africa’s
Shirazi and Omani structures intends to make a broader public familiar with
the presence of world class African monuments in a part of the continent
for which it’s early history is commonly only associated with colonial
influence."

Those who have been to Mog will recognize many Omani/ Shirazi architectural features in this article.

 

[Ferrari]

Bantus will do that to us as well.

 

[Cumar]

Loool is fine, I won't fall for your crap next time.

Anyways, our ancestors were Barbara people who had their own rich culture and civilization. They were basically the same as us today and established a great number of independent city states ruled by different ancient Somali tribes according to ancient Romans and Persians.

Here is the list of ancient Somali city-states that traded different things around the world.

• Botiala – In ancient times, the port city of Botiala transported goods such as aromatic woods, gum and incense to Indian, Persian and Arab merchants
• Bulhar – Old town in the northwestern Awdal province. It is likely the commercial Port of Isis of antiquity, which was a center for myrrh commerce.
• Cape Guardafui – Known in ancient times as the Cape of Spices, it was an important place for the ancient cinnamon and Indian spice trade.
• Damo – Ancient port town in northern Somalia. It likely corresponded with the Periplus "Market and Cape of Spices". Holds many historical artifacts and structures, including ancient coins, Roman pottery, drystone buildings, cairns, mosques, walled enclosures, standing stones and platform monuments.
• Essina – Ancient emporium possibly located between the southern ports of Barawa and Merca, based on Ptolemy's work.
• Gondal – Ancient town in southern Somalia. It is considered a predecessor of the port city Kismayo.
• Malao – Ancient port city known for its commerce in frankincense and myrrh in exchange for cloaks, copper and gold from Arsinoe and India.
• Mosylon – The most important ancient port city of the Somali Peninsula, it handled a considerable amount of the Indian Ocean trade through its large ships and extensive harbor.
• Mundus – Ancient port engaged in the fragrant gum and cinnamon trade with the Hellenic world.
• Opone – In ancient times, the port city of Opone traded with merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia and the Roman Empire, and connected with traders from as far afield as Indonesia and Malaysia, exchanging spices, silks and other goods.
• Sarapion – Ancient port city in Somalia. It is the possible predecessor of Mogadishu.
• Sesea – Ancient city-state in northern Somalia.
• Tabae – Ancient port where sailors on their way to India could take refuge from the storms of the Indian Ocean.Tabae – Ancient port where sailors on their way to India could take refuge from the storms of the Indian Ocean.

This is what the ancient Chinese said about Somali city-states.

"In ancient times Somalia was known to the Chinese as the "country of Pi-pa-lo", which had four departmental cities each trying to gain the supremacy over the other. It had twenty thousand troops between them, who wore cuirasses, a protective body armor."

Source: Eastern African History By Robert O. Collins Page 53.

So each city-state had their own government and army and basically had armoured 20 thousand each trying to gain supramacy from one another which makes sense why Somalis are incredible in warfare because of our experience in the field for thousands of years.

Our ancestors were literally trading around the world and making good money.

"The city states of Mossylon, Malao, Mundus and Tabae in Somalia engaged in a lucrative trade network connecting Somali merchants with Phoenicia, Ptolemic Egypt, Greece, Parthian Persia, Saba, Nabataea and the Roman Empire. Somali sailors used the ancient Somali maritime vessel known as the beden to transport their cargo."

It said Beden ship which was an ancient Somali trading boat that originated from Somalia.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beden

As for the Azanians, they were our Cushitic cousins but got wiped out by the Bantus since southern Cushitic people didn't develop Iron and that's how they got wiped out. I suggest you study the Bantu expansion but thankfully we Somalis had already developed Iron too which is why Bantus were enslaved, dominated and bullied by Somalis since 10th century.

Bulhar in Awdal? Nigga what the f*ck is this bullshit, you just making shit up now?

 

[Factz]

Bulhar in Awdal? Nigga what the f*ck is this bullshit, you just making shit up now?

Bulhar is in Woqooyi Galbeed. Just quoted the sources, that's all.

 

[landheer]

Yep. And he's already got his reply up before he can read what he's replying to. He'd have gotten apoplexy and couldn't do a thing if he'd read the first link:

"Often overlooked by visitors to East Africa, the coastal areas of
southernSomalia, Kenya, Tanzania and northern Mozambique
boast several ruined andextant historical towns of significant
cultural importance. Although some receive an increasing
number of visitors–especially Stone Town in Zanzibar and Lamu in
Kenya–most sites seldom see a single soul. Places like Kilwa
and Pemba inTanzania are notable for their remote and isolated
location, whilst the city of Mogadishu has been a no go area for years
due to the ongoing Somali civil war. This brief introduction to East Africa’s
Shirazi and Omani structures intends to make a broader public familiar with
the presence of world class African monuments in a part of the continent
for which it’s early history is commonly only associated with colonial
influence."

Those who have been to Mog will recognize many Omani/ Shirazi architectural features in this article.

These pictures are from mogadishu apart from the lighthouse which is in barawe the Omani influence is clear.

 

[World]

Probably South Cushitic people, so they would have been quite similar to Somali people in terms of looks.

 

[Factz]

Yep. And he's already got his reply up before he can read what he's replying to. He'd have gotten apoplexy and couldn't do a thing if he'd read the first link:

http://www.wernerhermans.com/downloads/Ancient Arab settlements of the Swahili Coast.pdf

"Often overlooked by visitors to East Africa, the coastal areas of
southern Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania and northern Mozambique
boast several ruined and extant historical towns of significant
cultural importance. Although some receive an increasing
number of visitors–especially Stone Town in Zanzibar and Lamu in
Kenya–most sites seldom see a single soul. Places like Kilwa
and Pemba in Tanzania are notable for their remote and isolated
location, whilst the city of Mogadishu has been a no go area for years
due to the ongoing Somali civil war. This brief introduction to East Africa’s
Shirazi and Omani structures intends to make a broader public familiar with
the presence of world class African monuments in a part of the continent
for which it’s early history is commonly only associated with colonial
influence."

Those who have been to Mog will recognize many Omani/ Shirazi architectural features in this article.

The link you have posted has no proof of what you mentioned. Shirazi people only live on the Swahili coast and Omani only controlled the Swahili coast and Zanzibar at their height while trading with the local Somali Sultanates on the coast. You haven't proven anything and having similar architectures just means you were influenced just like the Ottomans had influence in Arab and Persian architectures but they weren't ruled by them. Just stop your fabrication sir.

These pictures are from mogadishu apart from the lighthouse which is in barawe the Omani influence is clear.

The bottom was not medieval nor early modern period. It was just destroyed in the civil war while the two pictures you posted at top were built during the Ajuran period.

Here is another interesting port Ajuran left their legacy with called Gondershe. It's a historical citadel built by the Ajuran engineers during the middle ages.

 

[xalimathe6]

You STILL haven't figured out how to read that map you love so much! Expand it and get out your magnifying glass. It clearly says the Farside Ports belonged to the Indo-Scythian kingdom of Nambanus and that Serapion belonged to Charibael of Himyar. You need to get over this "Somali city states" business and find out who the Shirazis were.

http://www.wernerhermans.com/downloads/Ancient Arab settlements of the Swahili Coast.pdf

https://archnet.org/system/publications/contents/3655/original/DPC0257.pdf?1384775881

You really do work overtime to undermine.

 

[landheer]

The link you have posted has no proof of what you mentioned. Shirazi people only live on the Swahili coast and Omani only controlled the Swahili coast and Zanzibar at their height while trading with the local Somali Sultanates on the coast. You haven't proven anything and having similar architectures just means you were influenced just like the Ottomans had influence in Arab and Persian architectures but they weren't ruled by them. Just stop your fabrication sir.



The bottom was not medieval nor early modern period. It was just destroyed in the civil war while the two pictures you posted at top were built during the Ajuran period.

Here is another interesting port Ajuran left their legacy with called Gondershe. It's a historical citadel built by the Ajuran engineers during the middle ages.

But I am correct!

 

[landheer]

Probably South Cushitic people, so they would have been quite similar to Somali people in terms of looks.

Definitely
http://anthromadness.blogspot.co.ke/2015/06/the-azanians-cushitic-speaking-people.html?m=1

 

[nine]

You really do work overtime to undermine.

@Grant is the guy who said that a Madow guy established a sultanate in the early 1900s in Jubaland

 

[OmarAli]

@Grant is the guy who said that a Madow guy established a sultanate in the early 1900s in Jubaland

Give Grant a break. He's white so he has a IQ and intelligence advantage. I think he knows what he's talking about

 

[xalimathe6]

@Grant is the guy who said that a Madow guy established a sultanate in the early 1900s in Jubaland

If you've seen he's previous posts then you would know that he's clearly not Somali. The only time you ever see him post is when he's trying to discredit anything that has something to with Somalis.

 

[Factz]

@Grant is the guy who said that a Madow guy established a sultanate in the early 1900s in Jubaland

That had me.

So according to him ex-slaves established a sultanate.

The map you see here clearly states that Geledi Sultanate had control over the eastern side of the Jubba river as it was originally a Rahanweyn settlement but lost some lands against Darood during their expansion after the Geledi Sultanate was weakened. While Italians already established protectorate states in Hobyo Sultanate, Majerteen Sultanate and Geledi Sultanate while Hiraab Imamate (Hawiye) and Bimaal Sultanate (Merka state) were fully centralized. Qalaafe Sultanate was the last Garen Dynasty standing until it was raided by Italians, Ethiopians and Dervish State which destroyed and scattered the Ajurans. Some Isaaqs were part of the British protectorate while some were part of Dervish State and further up north Dir were already controlled by the British, Franch and the Ethiopians.

 

[lalayariis]

@Grant is probably gonna try to say Zeila was made by the Habeshas next, kulaha.

 

[Grant]

If you've seen he's previous posts then you would know that he's clearly not Somali. The only time you ever see him post is when he's trying to discredit anything that has something to with Somalis.

I keep at it because some folks never read. I think that's the real reason for the 68 IQ determination, so I post again and again. It may eventually provide some relief.

The Gosha Sultanate had treaties with Zanzibar, Britain, and Baraawe, the Tunni and Biimaal. They beat the socks off the Ogadenis and Mohammed Abdille Hassan and the Dervishes sought them as allies.

https://translate.google.com/transl...e.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassib_Bundo&prev=search

"Around 1885 Nassib Bundo was recognized as the head of several villages. He established a "Sultanate Goshaland" as a political and military unit of several villages and was recognized by Zanzibar and later by the advancing European colonial powers as "Sultan". Using firearms acquired through trade with Zanzibar, the Gosha residents succeeded under his leadership to defeat the Ogadeni-Darod around 1890. These had previously traded with the former slaves, but also repeatedly invaded villages. On the other hand, he agreed with parts of the nomadic Somali clans of the Biimal and Sheekhaal to refrain from taking slaves who escaped from them in his villages; maybe he even refunded some of them.

To consolidate his power, Nassib Bundo combined Islamic and traditional African mysticism. In traditions he is said to have supernatural abilities, such as that he could use wild animals in his favor. So he is said to have sent the crocodiles of the Jubba River against his rivals within the Gosha, and he threatened heads of families who refused to give him their daughters into marriage. From the villages below, he is said to have demanded virgins as a tribute, moreover, he should have claimed a substantial part of the existing prosperity for themselves.

The colonial powers Great Britain and Italy, which invaded the area around 1890, both sought to secure Nassib Bundo's support by offering him a scholarship. However, Nassib Bundo remained suspicious of them and was keen to maintain his position within the Gosha. Around 1903, he allegedly had correspondence with Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who led a rebellion against the colonizers in northern Somalia and sought allies in the south. After all, there were other Gosha leaders - including his own son - who complained to the Italians about his rule. Nassib Bundo was then arrested and died in 1906 in a prison in Mogadishu at senility and disease.

Reception

Nassib Bundo's death was mentioned in a poem by a Somali from Hobyo , which shows how far his fame had been during his lifetime.

It was sometimes stylized as "African Spartacus " during Italian fascist rule, and Italian author Ugo Bargoni wrote a novel about him in 1931 ( Nel regno di Nassib Bundo, Lo Spartaco della Somalia Italiana ). In Somalia's independence in 1960, Nassib Bundo was named by the Somali Youth League as one of the country's anti-colonial heroes. [2]

On the one hand, the Gosha is reminiscent of the sometimes tyrannical behavior of Nassib Bundo, on the other hand he is especially honored as a hero because of the important victory against the Ogadeni"

 

[Factz]

I keep at it because some folks never read. I think that's the real reason for the 68 IQ determination, so I post again and again. It may eventually provide some relief.

The Gosha Sultanate had treaties with Zanzibar, Britain, and Baraawe, the Tunni and Biimaal. They beat the socks off the Ogadenis and Mohammed Abdille Hassan and the Dervishes sought them as allies.

https://translate.google.com/transl...e.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassib_Bundo&prev=search

"Around 1885 Nassib Bundo was recognized as the head of several villages. He established a "Sultanate Goshaland" as a political and military unit of several villages and was recognized by Zanzibar and later by the advancing European colonial powers as "Sultan". Using firearms acquired through trade with Zanzibar, the Gosha residents succeeded under his leadership to defeat the Ogadeni-Darod around 1890. These had previously traded with the former slaves, but also repeatedly invaded villages. On the other hand, he agreed with parts of the nomadic Somali clans of the Biimal and Sheekhaal to refrain from taking slaves who escaped from them in his villages; maybe he even refunded some of them.

To consolidate his power, Nassib Bundo combined Islamic and traditional African mysticism. In traditions he is said to have supernatural abilities, such as that he could use wild animals in his favor. So he is said to have sent the crocodiles of the Jubba River against his rivals within the Gosha, and he threatened heads of families who refused to give him their daughters into marriage. From the villages below, he is said to have demanded virgins as a tribute, moreover, he should have claimed a substantial part of the existing prosperity for themselves.

The colonial powers Great Britain and Italy, which invaded the area around 1890, both sought to secure Nassib Bundo's support by offering him a scholarship. However, Nassib Bundo remained suspicious of them and was keen to maintain his position within the Gosha. Around 1903, he allegedly had correspondence with Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who led a rebellion against the colonizers in northern Somalia and sought allies in the south. After all, there were other Gosha leaders - including his own son - who complained to the Italians about his rule. Nassib Bundo was then arrested and died in 1906 in a prison in Mogadishu at senility and disease.

Reception

Nassib Bundo's death was mentioned in a poem by a Somali from Hobyo , which shows how far his fame had been during his lifetime.

It was sometimes stylized as "African Spartacus " during Italian fascist rule, and Italian author Ugo Bargoni wrote a novel about him in 1931 ( Nel regno di Nassib Bundo, Lo Spartaco della Somalia Italiana ). In Somalia's independence in 1960, Nassib Bundo was named by the Somali Youth League as one of the country's anti-colonial heroes. [2]

On the one hand, the Gosha is reminiscent of the sometimes tyrannical behavior of Nassib Bundo, on the other hand he is especially honored as a hero because of the important victory against the Ogadeni"

Now you're insulting my people you pathetic racist historical revisionist?

Firstly, there are no documents of Bantus establishing any kingdoms in southern Somalia. These tribes you keep mentiong are ex-slaves from southeast Africa which were collected by Somali slave traders from Geledi Sultanate, Hiraab Imamate and Bimaal Sultanate you old fool.

Nassib Bundo? Are you serious?

He was an ex-slave himself who escaped from slavery from Hiraab Imamate and a Tunni sheikh from Barawa allowed him to sought refuge in Barawa, Geledi Sultanate and after the Italians came he worked with Sheikh Uways al-Barawi to resisit the Italian colonization on the benadir coast.

You need to start learning real Somali history instead of using Wikipedia/blogs.

This is the real map during the era of early 20th century. If you're telling me why didn't Geledi Sultanate ruled the entire Jubbaland, remember the Darood expansion came in the late 19th century so they already established settlements on the western side of the Jubba river after the weakening of Geledi Sultanate.

 

[nine]

I keep at it because some folks never read. I think that's the real reason for the 68 IQ determination, so I post again and again. It may eventually provide some relief.

The Gosha Sultanate had treaties with Zanzibar, Britain, and Baraawe, the Tunni and Biimaal. They beat the socks off the Ogadenis and Mohammed Abdille Hassan and the Dervishes sought them as allies.

https://translate.google.com/transl...e.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassib_Bundo&prev=search

"Around 1885 Nassib Bundo was recognized as the head of several villages. He established a "Sultanate Goshaland" as a political and military unit of several villages and was recognized by Zanzibar and later by the advancing European colonial powers as "Sultan". Using firearms acquired through trade with Zanzibar, the Gosha residents succeeded under his leadership to defeat the Ogadeni-Darod around 1890. These had previously traded with the former slaves, but also repeatedly invaded villages. On the other hand, he agreed with parts of the nomadic Somali clans of the Biimal and Sheekhaal to refrain from taking slaves who escaped from them in his villages; maybe he even refunded some of them.

To consolidate his power, Nassib Bundo combined Islamic and traditional African mysticism. In traditions he is said to have supernatural abilities, such as that he could use wild animals in his favor. So he is said to have sent the crocodiles of the Jubba River against his rivals within the Gosha, and he threatened heads of families who refused to give him their daughters into marriage. From the villages below, he is said to have demanded virgins as a tribute, moreover, he should have claimed a substantial part of the existing prosperity for themselves.

The colonial powers Great Britain and Italy, which invaded the area around 1890, both sought to secure Nassib Bundo's support by offering him a scholarship. However, Nassib Bundo remained suspicious of them and was keen to maintain his position within the Gosha. Around 1903, he allegedly had correspondence with Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, who led a rebellion against the colonizers in northern Somalia and sought allies in the south. After all, there were other Gosha leaders - including his own son - who complained to the Italians about his rule. Nassib Bundo was then arrested and died in 1906 in a prison in Mogadishu at senility and disease.

Reception

Nassib Bundo's death was mentioned in a poem by a Somali from Hobyo , which shows how far his fame had been during his lifetime.

It was sometimes stylized as "African Spartacus " during Italian fascist rule, and Italian author Ugo Bargoni wrote a novel about him in 1931 ( Nel regno di Nassib Bundo, Lo Spartaco della Somalia Italiana ). In Somalia's independence in 1960, Nassib Bundo was named by the Somali Youth League as one of the country's anti-colonial heroes. [2]

On the one hand, the Gosha is reminiscent of the sometimes tyrannical behavior of Nassib Bundo, on the other hand he is especially honored as a hero because of the important victory against the Ogadeni"

Talking out of your ass again.
Darod were fighting in Jubaland during the time of this "Sultanate".
What was the demographic make up of his mighty army? Slaves? lol
So did he defeat the Ogadenis? If so then he would've defeated other Darod's since the main Darod presence was on the west bank of the river lol. Demanding virgins? We don't look Bantu boy calm down

 

[Grant]

Now you're insulting my people you pathetic racist historical revisionist?

Firstly, there are no documents of Bantus establishing any kingdoms in southern Somalia. These tribes you keep mentiong are ex-slaves from southeast Africa which were collected by Somali slave traders from Geledi Sultanate, Hiraab Imamate and Bimaal Sultanate you old fool.

Nassib Bundo? Are you serious?

He was an ex-slave himself who escaped from slavery from Hiraab Imamate and a Tunni sheikh from Barawa allowed him to sought refuge in Barawa, Geledi Sultanate and after the Italians came he worked with Sheikh Uways al-Barawi to resisit the Italian colonization on the benadir coast.

You need to start learning real Somali history instead of using Wikipedia/blogs.

This is the real map during the era of early 20th century. If you're telling me why didn't Geledi Sultanate ruled the entire Jubbaland, remember the Darood expansion came in the late 19th century so they already established settlements on the western side of the Jubba river after the weakening of Geledi Sultanate.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cla...AhVBi1QKHaS9ANkQ9QEIKzAA#imgrc=AqbqLOoHRHxH8M:

Your map is not linked and is certainly not accurate. This map, although circa 1977, shows the Gosha Sultanate as the pink area in the Lower Jubba. The Geledi Sultanate was incorporated into Italian Somaliland in 1908, and at the time of your map all the blue and gray areas were under Italian administration.