Ask me anything about Somaliland

[Shushue]

Somalialand is pretty much barren land just like Puntland.

Only the south is green and beautiful and holds potential.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

Yeah lets a someones who's never been or even is from somaliland. You actually can't make this shit up

 

[Lordilord]

I want the answer to the opposite question, what do you gain from seceding?

Will you suddenly get richer?

The only benefit is autonomy, besides i think you will remain poor just like the rest.

Good question. Not really richer, but the potential for growth increases much more than if reunite with Somalia in my opinion.

When you get recognized especially at this time of age the international community if it is unanimously recognized will make sure it is not a shit show recognition and try to help and deals we make by ourselves obviously.

This also puts pressure on the government of Somaliland. Obviously there will be an economic boom because we are locked out of many things because of the uncertainty of not being recognized.

One of the things that will occur is more deals with foreign nations, more foreign investments, access to financial institutions that help with funding for infrastructure, health sector, etc. There are so many advantages Somaliland can use to rapidly grow as a country, this would not only benefit Somaliland but all the close proximity Somali regions. Basically getting recognition will jump start Somaliland in many ways giving us the chance to succeed.

The potential for growth increases so much that not trying at all is almost stupid. This is not 100% obviously if the government don't act accordingly it will be a complete shit show but what if they do succeed? We are already separated and we are already at bottom what could go wrong?

We are basically already partially recognized meaning de facto state but the real recognition which is de jure recognition weighs a lot more and gives more opportunity for growth.

Now all of this can happen without recognition but as you can probably imagine the difference in how long it would take compared to being recognized is bad. You can agree or disagree with me but this is true, it could backfire. I will stay optimistic tho

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Let me entertain this then.

Would Somaliland not do better as a separate state? Be honest none of that biased talk. If you don't think so, state why.

What would we gain from reuniting with Somalia? Now compare that to what we could possibly gain if we were fully recognized as a sovereign state?

Which one is better?

And if that is difficult for you, answer the questions hypothetically.

I personally think we would take several steps backwards if we did reunite with Somalia .

There's no evidence Somaliland would be better as a separate state because it has had 27 years of independence yet it falls behind in terms of economic prosperity. As Somalia becomes more stable Somaliland's argument for secession continues to weaken. There has been no legal basis for secession yet.

Somaliland's economic potential is far less than the rest Somalia. Somaliland is an arid land with little to know natural resources. It lacks water and has almost complete deforestation for the last 30 years. Siad Barre's regime must have been good for its environmental policies because they all got worse and changed when the regime collapsed.

Somaliland lacks the land for economic independence for its poor population whereas Somalia could potentially have a robust agriculture industry due its 2 natural rivers and millions of hectares of arable land. A sound economy is historically built on agriculture. You can make this argument for Puntland as well however Puntland has the best potential fishing industry due to its location.

Therefore I come to the conclusion that Somaliland has less to gain, more to lose.

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

What does SL gain from seceding except for greater autonomy?

Will they get richer than the rest?

They gain very little, they are very likely to be poorer than the rest of Somalia. See my answer to @Lordilord

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Since the elections huh? How complicated is Somaliland? A bunch of demented khat addicts that love Ethiopia more than their Somali brethren and are desperate for recognition from any quarter ( Benin, South Sudan, Wendy's,anyone, please!) pretty much sums them. It's no rocket science.

Not everyone is as clever as you. We have to break it down for the uninformed.

 

[Puntlandtheglorious]

There's no evidence Somaliland would be better as a separate state because it has had 27 years of independence yet it falls behind in terms of economic prosperity. As Somalia becomes more stable Somaliland's argument for secession continues to weaken. There has been no legal basis for secession yet.

Somaliland's economic potential is far less than the rest Somalia. Somaliland is an arid land with little to know natural resources. It lacks water and has almost complete deforestation for the last 30 years. Siad Barre's regime must have been good for its environmental policies because they all got worse and changed when the regime collapsed.

Somaliland lacks the land for economic independence for its poor population whereas Somalia could potentially have a robust agriculture industry due its 2 natural rivers and millions of hectares of arable land. A sound economy is historically built on agriculture. You can make this argument for Puntland as well however Puntland has the best potential fishing industry due to its location.

Therefore I come to the conclusion that Somaliland has less to gain, more to lose.

The agriculture potential of jubbaland saves the day

 

[Lordilord]

There's no evidence Somaliland would be better as a separate state because it has had 27 years of independence yet it falls behind in terms of economic prosperity. As Somalia becomes more stable Somaliland's argument for secession continues to weaken. There has been no legal basis for secession yet.

Somaliland's economic potential is far less than the rest Somalia. Somaliland is an arid land with little to know natural resources. It lacks water and has almost complete deforestation for the last 30 years. Siad Barre's regime must have been good for its environmental policies because they all got worse and changed when the regime collapsed.

Somaliland lacks the land for economic independence for its poor population whereas Somalia could potentially have a robust agriculture industry due its 2 natural rivers and millions of hectares of arable land. A sound economy is historically built on agriculture. You can make this argument for Puntland as well however Puntland has the best potential fishing industry due to its location.

Therefore I come to the conclusion that Somaliland has less to gain, more to lose.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[Abdalla]

I respectfully disagree.

What makes you think recognition will solve all your problems? Recognition can only give you guys more aid, but that aid is mostly stolen. What makes you think that recognition will decrease the rampant corruption? Moreover, can you elaborate on why countries will give you more aid after recognition when they don't care while you're starving of hunger and thirst?

 

[Cotton Eyed Joe]

Beesha Arab ee Koonfur Galbeed ee Hargeisa maxaa ka yeelna? Should they get into politics mise retain their position as marshal clan whose job is serve in the army?

If Somaliland is to succeed it needs to look beyond tribal stereotypes which it has failed to do. It is a vicious cycle which will prevent it from ever becoming a fully functional democratic state.

 

[Saalax Bidaar]

If Somaliland is to succeed it needs to look beyond tribal stereotypes which it has failed to do. It is a vicious cycle which will prevent it from ever becoming a fully functional democratic state.

 

[Lordilord]

What makes you think recognition will solve all your problems? Recognition can only give you guys more aid, but that aid is mostly stolen. What makes you think that recognition will decrease the rampant corruption? Moreover, can you elaborate on why countries will give you more aid after recognition when they don't care while you're starving of hunger and thirst?

@Cotton Eyed Joe this one is for you too.

Bro I've said it multiple times aid will become investments and trade deals, other foreign nations wont feel hesitant to make deals with Somaliland if we were recognized but now it is an issue because they feel like they are overstepping on Somalia sovereignty correct? With all due respect is this that hard to understand, I feel like I am getting more and more repetitive.

More trade deals with foreign nations, more foreign investments, access to financial institutions such as IMF and World Bank etc that help with funding for infrastructure, health sector etc. There are so many advantages Somaliland can use to rapidly grow as a country

I said it in a previous post and I don't know if you read it but becoming recognized doesn't guarantee success and it can go wrong if the government doesn't act accordingly. But not trying is actually stupid and we are already separated.

Basically you are expecting Somaliland to operate fully as a sovereign nation but the truth is Somaliland is limited.

Somaliland can't export all natural resources because what willing foreign nation will buy it let alone we don't even have the infrastructure to support the excavation of our mineral deposits and this is just one example.

Do you not see the common theme here, limitations, limitations, limitations. Somaliland is poor.. Becoming recognized OPENS these doors/opportunity.

This is where you guys and I differ it doesn't matter if we don't take advantage of it of what it means to be de jure recognized. It is ultimately our decision, we want to and we already have separated.

 

[Lordilord]

@Cotton Eyed Joe
You said Somaliland has no resources this is not true, there are A LOT of minerals in Somaliland. We have one of the largest diverse mineral deposits in the world just sitting there and guess what we can't actually trade it because other nations are hesitant because of not wanting to overstep on Somalia's sovereignty out of respect or whatever reasons.

There are also untapped oil reserves, fishing, agriculture in some parts, livestock and more. I'm not going to lie I am disappointed in you because you know Somaliland has resources.

Funny thing we can't and we don't have the means to fully utilize our natural resources because we are limited. We don't have de jure recognition only de facto.

What is the solution, we should just get investments to be able to fully utilize our investments? It sounds simple right?

Wrong, because of the fact we are not de jure recognized companies or other nations will not engage in investments or trade deals that would benefit both parties. All this because we are not de jure recognized and Somalia not letting go.

Even if we could export all of this how many willing nations would trade with us being unrecognized?

Ask yourself this do you really think there are no companies willing to invest in helping Somaliland with excavation of one of the largest mineral deposits in this world? Come on man, they can't make deals with us because we are unrecognized.... This is one of many reasons we want recognition and reuniting with Somalia is not even considered.

You say it is better to unite with Somalia and I say that the opposite. Reuniting with Somalia makes no sense after 27 years. It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[Puntlandtheglorious]

@Cotton Eyed Joe
You said Somaliland has no resources this is not true, there are A LOT of minerals in Somaliland. We have one of the largest diverse mineral deposits in the world just sitting there and guess what we can't actually trade it because other nations are hesitant because of not wanting to overstep on Somalia's sovereignty out of respect or whatever reasons.

There are also untapped oil reserves, fishing, agriculture in some parts, livestock and more. I'm not going to lie I am disappointed in you because you know Somaliland has resources.

Funny thing we can't and we don't have the means to fully utilize our natural resources because we are limited. We don't have de jure recognition only de facto.

What is the solution, we should just get investments to be able to fully utilize our investments? It sounds simple right?

Wrong, because of the fact we are not de jure recognized companies or other nations will not engage in investments or trade deals that would benefit both parties. All this because we are not de jure recognized and Somalia not letting go.

Even if we could export all of this how many willing nations would trade with us being unrecognized?

Ask yourself this do you really think there are no companies willing to invest in helping Somaliland with excavation of one of the largest mineral deposits in this world? Come on man, they can't make deals with us because we are unrecognized.... This is one of many reasons we want recognition and reuniting with Somalia is not even considered.

You say it is better to unite with Somalia and I say that the opposite. Reuniting with Somalia makes no sense after 27 years. It makes absolutely no sense.

First that’s in sanaag aka warsangeli they don’t accept this fake idea of Somaliland

 

[Lordilord]

First that’s in sanaag aka warsangeli they don’t accept this fake idea of Somaliland

And your point is? Sanaag is not only populated by Warsangeli and it belongs to Somaliland. Contrary to what many believe Somaliland borders are based on a real legal claim and that area is a part of Somaliland.

You just based the ownership of Sanaag on tribalism while Somaliland has a legit legal claim to that area. Also Somaliland has control of that area.

 

[LaFlame]

First that’s in sanaag aka warsangeli they don’t accept this fake idea of Somaliland

Depends, I know many warsangalis that are in favour of SL

 

[Puntlandtheglorious]

Depends, I know many warsangalis that are in favour of SL

I’m matter what sub clan of warsangalis and dhulos

 

[Lordilord]

I’m matter what dubclan of warsangalis and dhulos

There are Habar Yonis and Habar Jeclo that populate Sanaag as well

 

[Puntlandtheglorious]

There are Habar Yonis and Habar Jeclo that populate Sanaag as well

Dhulos dominate though The can’t be conquered

 

[Lordilord]

Dhulos dominate though The can’t be conquered

The same dhulos that went against Somalia for Somaliland? You see, they are not being conquered lol