"Arabised" names but not language

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What about the word mafiiq, it sounds more Semitic than Cushitic.
I'm leaning towards a native Somali word. I can't find anything even remotely similar in Arabic.
It also follows a common Afroasiatic-inherited pattern like in
Arag>marag
Or in Afar with
Qab (to drink)>maqab (beverage)
*Afar /q/ is pronounced like Somali /c/*

A funny one might be tag>matag ? :drakekidding: I really don't know about this one but it fits the template lol.
 
Shawla means stove in Yemeni Arabic
“ad” at the end of words is how we “somalised” the ة. So whenever you see it you’re probably looking at a loanword

كثير من الكلمات غير العربية دخلت إلى اللهجة العدنية، ومنها
أسماء أشياء شائعة وكثيرة التداول،
ومنها كلمة : ........ كلمة "شُولة
والشولة الموقد (البوتجاز
وأصل الكلمة هندي أيضًا "choola" .

The word " shoola " which means "stove " in Adeni Arabic. This term is derived from the Hindi word " चूल्हा choolha" (Urdu spelling چولھا), which also denotes a stove . The choolha is a traditional U-shaped mud stove commonly used in Indian villages, constructed from local clay and cow dung . The adoption of "choolha" into the Adeni dialect illustrates the linguistic impact of Indian culture and language on the region, a consequence of Aden's historical connections with India through trade and migration .

choolha → shool → shool + da → shoolda .

चूल्हा • (cūlhā) m (Urdu spelling چولھا) ,
from Sanskrit चुल्ली (cullī), borrowed from Dravidian; ultimately from Proto-Dravidian *col. Cognate with Bengali চুলা (cula).

1. oven (chamber used for baking or heating).
2. stove .
3. fireplace, hearth .


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A chulha is a traditional clay stove commonly used in rural India, especially in areas where modern cooking appliances are not readily available.

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Sharabaad is a Somali word not arabic you fool.

It’s Arabic and exists in Yemeni & Egyptian dialect. Apologize dumb nigga :draketf:

The word " jawrab " (plural: jawarib ) is not of Arabic origin.

The term "jawrab" (Arabic: جورب), plural "jawarib " (جوارب), is commonly understood to denote a sock .

While some linguists suggest its origins lie in Persian or Aramaic,
I propose an alternative theory: that it derives from proto-cushitic origin ( Somali / Afar languages ) .

Historically, socks were crafted from leather, often sourced from animal hides. Given this, it's plausible that "jawrab" evolved from " harag / araba " reflecting the material traditionally used in sock production.

In the Somali language, the word "harag" means "leather" or "skin", just as the word "araba" in the Afar language means "leather" or "skin".

harag in Somali , araba in Afar language means "leather" or "skin ".
ha ,
gb ,
harag ( in Somali ) = araba ( in Afar ) .

hsh j ,
gb ,

haragsharabjawrab .


This hypothesis aligns with the linguistic phenomenon of loanwords, where terms are borrowed and adapted across languages. Considering the African Red Sea coast and the Horn of Africa's geographical proximity to the Arabian Peninsula and historical trade interactions, it's conceivable that proto-cushitic terminology influenced Arabic, particularly in regions where Somali merchants and artisans were active.

In conclusion, while the prevailing theories attribute "jawrab" to Persian or Aramaic origins, the possibility of a proto-cushitic etymology warrants further exploration, offering a richer understanding of the term's linguistic journey.
 
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Garaad Awal

Former African
The word " jawrab " (plural: jawarib ) is not of Arabic origin.

The term "jawrab" (Arabic: جورب), plural "jawarib " (جوارب), is commonly understood to denote a sock .

While some linguists suggest its origins lie in Persian or Aramaic,
I propose an alternative theory: that it derives from proto-cushitic origin ( Somali / Afar languages ) .

Historically, socks were crafted from leather, often sourced from animal hides. Given this, it's plausible that "jawrab" evolved from " harag / araba " reflecting the material traditionally used in sock production.

In the Somali language, the word "harag" means "leather" or "skin", just as the word "araba" in the Afar language means "leather" or "skin".

harag in Somali , araba in Afar language means "leather" or "skin ".
ha ,
gb ,
harag ( in Somali ) = araba ( in Afar ) .

hsh j ,
gb ,

haragsharabjawrab .


This hypothesis aligns with the linguistic phenomenon of loanwords, where terms are borrowed and adapted across languages. Considering the African Red Sea coast and the Horn of Africa's geographical proximity to the Arabian Peninsula and historical trade interactions, it's conceivable that proto-cushitic terminology influenced Arabic, particularly in regions where Somali merchants and artisans were active.

In conclusion, while the prevailing theories attribute "jawrab" to Persian or Aramaic origins, the possibility of a proto-cushitic etymology warrants further exploration, offering a richer understanding of the term's linguistic journey.
ChatGPT is lying to you
 
The majority of Somalis have Arabic names or even " Somalised” Arabic names ( e.g. Asli, jamac, abokor), and we do have some loan words that are Arabic but why was the language never adopted unlike Sudan for example? ( not complaining, I’m grateful we kept our language)
Because Somalia did not experience large scale Arab migration, nor did Somalia ever come under the rule of Arabs or become part of the Arabospbere.

That’s why the Arabic language is dominant in Sudan and other countries.

Somalia has always been ruled by Somalis.
 
ChatGPT is lying to you

Possibly from (or cognate with) Persian جوراب (jôrâb, “sock, stocking”), with earlier forms گورب (gôrab), گوراب (gôrâb), speculatively a metathesis of Middle Persian *gōrb/pāy (literally “grave of foot”), which has potential to be folk etymology. Alternatively, the Persian and/or the Arab forms might have been borrowed from Aramaic גְּרָב / גְּרַב (gəraḇ, gərāḇ, “skin bottle or pouch”), though it remains unknown in which language the new meaning as a footwear developed first.

read this part :
Alternatively, the Persian and/or the Arab forms might have been borrowed from Aramaic גְּרָב / גְּרַב (gəraḇ, gərāḇ, “skin bottle or pouch”) .

it says Aramaic גְּרָב / גְּרַב (gəraḇ, gərāḇ, “skin bottle or pouch”) .
Aramaic גְּרָב / גְּרַב came from skin bottle or pouch .


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I think Djibouti has the most Arabs in Somaliweyn. The next few decades will be interesting as they have children with locals and their Arab descendants assimilate, I wonder if a new Arabic-Somali dialect will emerge? Kinda like how Darija is supposedly a mix of Tamazight/Amazigh and Arabic.
 
ChatGPT is lying to you
Just to prove it to you.
I wrote this on ChatGPT:
Does the Arabic word jawrab come from Proto-Cushitic?
Here's ChatGPT's answer:
Therefore, the Arabic word jawrab is more likely to have been borrowed from Persian or possibly Aramaic, rather than originating from Proto-Cushitic.

This highlights the constraints of ChatGPT in conducting in-depth language analysis.

ChatGPT is an artificial intelligence.
Human intelligence is far more advanced and has more advanced analytical thinking than ChatGPT.

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Just to prove it to you.
I wrote this on ChatGPT:
Does the Arabic word jawrab come from Proto-Cushitic?
Here's ChatGPT's answer:
Therefore, the Arabic word jawrab is more likely to have been borrowed from Persian or possibly Aramaic, rather than originating from Proto-Cushitic.

This highlights the constraints of ChatGPT in conducting in-depth language analysis.

ChatGPT is an artificial intelligence.
Human intelligence is far more advanced and has more advanced analytical thinking than ChatGPT.

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Arabic didn’t even exist when Proto-Cushitic was still being spoken. Proto-Cushitic was spoken long before Proto-Semitic existed.
 
This is why Arabic and most Semitic languages have an ancient Cushitic stratum .
Why would they though? Proto-Semitic descended form Proto-Afroasiatic, not Proto-Cushitic. It’s weird to imagine that people in the Middle East were still speaking some form of Proto-Afroasiatic whilst Cushitic languages began to form.
 
ChatGPT is lying to you

You can use ChatGPT to search for information, but for example, it won't be useful for advanced linguistic analysis.

This was my in-depth linguistic analysis, not ChatGPT :

Historically, socks were crafted from leather, often sourced from animal hides. Given this, it's plausible that "jawrab" evolved from " harag / araba " reflecting the material traditionally used in sock production.

In the Somali language, the word "harag " means "leather" or "skin", just as the word " araba " in the Afar language means "leather" or "skin".

harag in Somali , araba in Afar language means "leather" or "skin ".
ha ,
gb ,
harag ( in Somali ) = araba ( in Afar ) .

hsh j ,
gb ,
harag / araba → sharabjawrab / gôrab .

Whether you agree or not, I don't care .
 
Learn what? You come in here with your arrogant attitude and personal attacks and have no actual criticism or retort for anything I said. That @Maakhri2024 dude was right about you, you are a rude, ignorant kid.
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For two years, he's been my unwavering companion, as constant as a shadow."

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Why would they though? Proto-Semitic descended form Proto-Afroasiatic, not Proto-Cushitic. It’s weird to imagine that people in the Middle East were still speaking some form of Proto-Afroasiatic whilst Cushitic languages began to form.
absolutely true .
Arabia was inhabited by Cushitic-speaking peoples.
Semitic languages must therefore have derived from Cushitic languages.
Proto-Afroasiatic → Proto-Cushitic → Cushitic languages → Semitic languages → Arabic .
Undoubtedly, this model may not resonate with proponents of Eurocentric perspectives.
 
absolutely true .
Arabia was inhabited by Cushitic-speaking peoples.
Semitic languages must therefore have derived from Cushitic languages.
Proto-Afroasiatic → Proto-Cushitic → Cushitic languages → Semitic languages → Arabic .
Undoubtedly, this model may not resonate with proponents of Eurocentric perspectives.
I think I heard this theory before, something about the Arabian peninsular being inhabited by Cushitic speakers at some point. I think it was mentioned that it was mostly southern Arabia, Yemen and southern parts of Saudi Arabia that may have had Cushitic speakers?
 

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