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I would say E-Y16892 is 35% and T is 15%. Other E are 30%. While all the other lineages make up the rest of Somalia.
Arab and Somali tribes on T-Y16897
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I would say E-Y16892 is 35% and T is 15%. Other E are 30%. While all the other lineages make up the rest of Somalia.
Isaaq alone was 22% of the Somali republic census, adding Dir which was 7% makes it 29%. Now adding djibouti, somali galbeed and Kenya makes the figure probably around 30-40%.
T is like 25-40% in greater somalia and around 25-30% in the Somali republic which is Somalia and Somaliland combined.
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So Dir/Isaaq are 40% and Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Madow weyne, Degodia, Garr, 0.5 etc are 60%?
You serious? And who said all the Isaaq and Dir are T?How
What about UAE since you claimed they also belong to a J sub clade right, and where does the house of saud claim J1, not all Adnani have J, there's many with T and some adnanis have other lineages. Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE and Saudi royal family members all got tested positive for T as you saw in FTDNA, that's almost all royals in Arabia. All of those are Adnani tribes except maybe UAE since I don't know if Banu Yas of UAE are adnanis or not. The Jordanian royal family is allegedly J1 due to having a supposed 2 or 1 J1 results that I'm not even sure about. Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE and Saudi none of them are irrelevant.
29% in Somali republic (somalia plus Somaliland) proven by the census done in the somali republic, and 25-40% in greater Somalia. We may not have a reliable census for greater Somalia. Remember 90% ore more of Somaliland is Isaaq and Dir, 40-50% of Somali galbeed is Isaaq and Dir, Djibouti is 65-70% isaaq and Dir, I don't know about somalia and Kenya percentages.So Dir/Isaaq are 40% and Hawiye, Darood, Raxanweyn, Madow weyne, Degodia, Garr, 0.5 etc are 60%?
40% in greater somalia could be a little too high, maybe 35%.
70-90% of Dirs and Isaaqs seems to be T1. Only Habar Awal seems to be predominantly E1b1b with T minority members. Habar Awal E's won't make up more than 20% of isaaq and dir combined, maybe not even 10%. Around 2-8% I'm guessing. Name any other sub clan besides Habar Awal in isaaq and dir that have been tested several times and looks like they are majority non T, there is none.
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Semitic is Afroasiatic and Afroasiatic has origin in NE Africa. E1b1b is known to be the Afroasiatic lineage. While only few T and few J are AfroAsiatic.
-Semitic E-PF1962
- Cushitic E-V32
- Egyptian E-V22
- Berbero-Libyan E-L19
- Omotic E-Y17750
- Chadic E-V5933
In fact the Natufians were E-Z830. During this time J1 and T were still in Zargos and the Iranian plateau. Geuss what? Arabians who carry J1 p58 are mostly Natufian like while other J1 in the caucuses are not.
bro it’s simple. Adnan is J1-FGC11. Yes some tribes do get T, R, G, E that claim Adnan etc but only FGC11 is found accross all the Adnan tribes be they in the city or Bedouin.Look forget Arab royals. Here is the legendary al AZD tribe family project. They all under Z640 which is the brother of FGC11
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It says:Semitic is Afroasiatic and Afroasiatic has origin in NE Africa. E1b1b is known to be the Afroasiatic lineage. While only few T and few J are AfroAsiatic.
-Semitic E-PF1962
- Cushitic E-V32
- Egyptian E-V22
- Berbero-Libyan E-L19
- Omotic E-Y17750
- Chadic E-V5933
In fact the Natufians were E-Z830. During this time J1 and T were still in Zargos and the Iranian plateau. Geuss what? Arabians who carry J1 p58 are mostly Natufian like while other J1 in the caucuses are not.
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Look forget Arab royals. Here is the legendary al AZD tribe family project. They all under Z640 which is the brother of FGC11
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"Traditionally, the AZD are belong to Qahtan,, Nabet bin Qahtan,, there are many texts explained that the AZD are descended from ( Nabetbin Ishmael ),, now, those texts has been confirmed after the DNA revelation came up, and the worth noting in this regard it is to point out that the "Cohens" (Aron's lineage) which belongs to the prophet ( Ishaq bin Abraham ) are tested positive for the SNP (ZS227) which means that the upstream SNP (YSC234) it's the "Abrahamic SNP", so this leads up to conclude that the (SNP L858) should be another son of Abraham, which certainly is hisson "Ishmael", moreover, the lineage of prophet Mohammad was found under the L858 and it's well known that he belongs to Ishmael,, this is beside that texts we've mentioned above which indicated how the AZD are belonging to the ( Nabet of Ishmael ).."
I may read elsewhere that Azd belong to to ismail as, Allah knows best I have no idea if they're qahtani or adnani. One or more Azd tribe/tribes already matched close to isaaq and dir.
Notice how it says Haaruuns lineage and Ibrahim AS. That page disagrees with you since you think FGC8712 is Abrahams lineage.
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Nope that’s the 2nd hypothesis they use. It’s clear Azd is from Yemen. In the seerah Aus and Khazraj ( ansaar of medinah) arrived form Yemen and settled with the Jews in Yathrib. The guy on the project is begging to be Ibrahim (as) son
but Z640 has nothing to do with it. Thats strictly within FGC11 notably FGC8712Even if we follow the pages logic it would still include FGC11 but it would include many other Arabians and Semitic branches thus making Ibrahim really really old. The real Harun (Cohan) is within FGC8712 parallel to the Adnan lineage.
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Correct! They migrated from the Hejaz not that long ago. They fall under the notorious FGC11. Which is the ancestor of J-FGC5418 like you correctly stated.
Has there been any T-Y16897 samples in Libya?
Bro What site is this?
Hang on why is it in Libya I thought those websites that calculate the location of a mutation had said the location was Saudi.
I was expecting the location to be in the Gulf or at most the Levant given the density of ancient finds
familytreedna took the BIGY with them, I was scratching my head, its showing T arriving into the horn between 1600 BCE and 550 BCE.
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Does that mean any Arabs that as e-z830, e-v12 and E-v22 is from Africa but is assimilated to the Arabian culture?
T YTree
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E-Z830 YTree
E-V12 YTree
E-V22 YTree
What’s the argument about anyways? Are you trying to convince me that Adnan was T?
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Not sure about E-Z830 but the latter two are both from E-M78 which has long roots in North Africa.
Is it right to classify it as semetic since that’s where semetic lineage was born .
Also what about this
An Ethiopian Jew got that E-FGC14383 and I checked it and it’s mostly Saudis and Yemenis there . What does it mean ?
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It’s the Nubian, Sudanese, Eritrean, northern Ethiopian E-V32. It’s related to the Somali E-V32.
Cushitic expansion
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It’s not super accurate as a tool. It makes Somali/East-Cushitic E-V32 also appear it arrived via the Arabian side of the Red Sea instead of the North African side of the Red Sea around 4000 BCE
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