Gojo Satoru
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Personally I don't care. Somalis aren't a monolith
Am i the only somali that gets hurt seeing non muslim somalis?
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I care for some especially for those that been through tough times.
If you are sad about others not being guided, you are in good company
Then perhaps you would kill yourself through grief over them, [O Muḥammad], if they do not believe in this message, [and] out of sorrow.
-Surah Al-Kahf 18:6
The fact that you care just goes to show you how blessed Somalis really are alhamdulillah. Our culture is so intertwined with the Deen that even seeing a non-Muslim Somali makes you think what went wrong.
Spot on once again.
SonOfMaverick
"I don’t live in darkness, darkness lives in me."
Haters gonna hate, we can't control that. If you want to be a slave and prostrate to a pagan moon god called Allah, I ain't gonna stop you.
If it makes you happy and your certain no God exists and you want be called back to God than so be it.
Haters gonna hate, we can't control that. If you want to be a slave and prostrate to a pagan moon god called Allah, I ain't gonna stop you.
The Quran verse;
Lakum deenukum waliya deen.
Translation;
To you is your Judgement and to me is mine..
Acknowledges people have total freedom of choice when it comes to there religions/judgements/decisions..
As a muslim, the best thing we can do is respect their decision and treat them as an equal human being, not lesser because they are no longer Muslims. I say this because I've seen people justifying there rude behaviors towards users that are not muslims here.
Lakum deenukum waliya deen.
Translation;
To you is your Judgement and to me is mine..
Acknowledges people have total freedom of choice when it comes to there religions/judgements/decisions..
As a muslim, the best thing we can do is respect their decision and treat them as an equal human being, not lesser because they are no longer Muslims. I say this because I've seen people justifying there rude behaviors towards users that are not muslims here.
I have two relatives (from diff sides) who cut their family off to enjoy all that dunya has to offer. At first, I tried to keep in touch with them as I didn’t want them to feel rejected by all their relatives but that didn’t last. I’m guessing they think I’m only connecting with them to give dacwah or to keep tabs on them as they cut me off too lol.
It’s unfortunate for them as they chose the wrong path when they were brought up upon the haqq. I choose not to dwell on them too much as they themselves don’t care enough about the bigger picture of eternity and the purpose of life. Instead of being sad, I choose to derive lessons from their experiences. Indeed Allah guides whom he wills. We pray Allah protects us from following the path of kufr.
There are over 30 million somalis worldwide expect the unexpected
I don't think that tafsir is correct. also, the sharia specifies a very severe legal punishment for apostates. also, Muslims and non-Muslims are not equal.
I'm all for kindness but Muslims should never water down Islam.
There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, "Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allāh. We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allāh alone" - except for the saying of Abraham to his father, "I will surely ask forgiveness for you, but I have not [power to do] for you anything against Allāh. Our Lord, upon You we have relied, and to You we have returned, and to You is the destination.
-Surah Al-Mumtahanah: 60: 4
Another thing it's a really important part of aqeedah to have Al-Wala Wal-Bara.
And it doesn't get talked about a lot and a lot of people I think are not informed about it as much as would be ideal. So I would like to post some information about the topic:
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Please could you explain the concept of loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’): to whom does it apply and is it permissible to take the disbelievers as allies and friends?
He replied: what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’) is loving the believers and taking them as allies and friends, and hating the disbelievers, regarding them as enemies and disavowing them and their religion. This is what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’), as Allah, may He be glorified, says in Soorat al-Mumtahinah (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
Hating them and regarding them as enemies does not mean that you should mistreat them or transgress against them if they are not in a state of war with the Muslims. Rather what it means is hating them in your heart and regarding them as enemies in your heart, and not taking them as friends. But you should not offend them, harm them or mistreat them. If they greet you, then return their greeting, advise them sincerely and direct them to do good, as Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them”
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:46].
The People of the Scripture are the Jews and Christians, and other disbelievers who have been granted security, or have a peace treaty with the Muslims, or are living under Muslim rule. But whoever among them commits injustice is to be punished for his injustice and wrongdoing, otherwise what is prescribed for the believer is to argue with them in the way that is best, with both the Muslims and the disbelievers, whilst hating them for the sake of Allah, because of the verse quoted above.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa Ibn Baaz (5/246).
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: What is loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’)?
Answer: Disavowal and loyalty for the sake of Allah, may He be glorified, means that a person disavows everything that Allah disavowed, as He, may He be glorified and exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
This is applicable with polytheists who associate others with Allah, as He, may He be exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger”
[at-Tawbah 9:3].
So every believer must disavow every polytheist and disbeliever. This is with regard to people.
Similarly, the Muslim must disavow every deed that is not pleasing to Allah and His Messenger, even if it does not constitute disbelief, such as evildoing and sin, as Allah (may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“but Allah has endeared to you the faith and has made it pleasing in your hearts and has made hateful to you disbelief, defiance and disobedience. Those are the [rightly] guided”
[al-Hujuraat 49:7].
End quote from Fataawa Arkaan al-Islam, p. 183.
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (may Allah preserve him) said in Sharh Nawaqid al-Islam (p. 158): The Shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him) referred to one type of becoming allies with the disbelievers, which is supporting them, otherwise taking them as allies includes loving them in one’s heart, supporting them against the Muslims, praising them and so on, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded the Muslims to regard the disbelievers as enemies, hate them and disavow them. This is what is called, in Islam, loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’). End quote.
-Surah Al-Mumtahanah: 60: 4
Another thing it's a really important part of aqeedah to have Al-Wala Wal-Bara.
And it doesn't get talked about a lot and a lot of people I think are not informed about it as much as would be ideal. So I would like to post some information about the topic:
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: Please could you explain the concept of loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’): to whom does it apply and is it permissible to take the disbelievers as allies and friends?
He replied: what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’) is loving the believers and taking them as allies and friends, and hating the disbelievers, regarding them as enemies and disavowing them and their religion. This is what is meant by loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’), as Allah, may He be glorified, says in Soorat al-Mumtahinah (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
Hating them and regarding them as enemies does not mean that you should mistreat them or transgress against them if they are not in a state of war with the Muslims. Rather what it means is hating them in your heart and regarding them as enemies in your heart, and not taking them as friends. But you should not offend them, harm them or mistreat them. If they greet you, then return their greeting, advise them sincerely and direct them to do good, as Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them”
[al-‘Ankaboot 29:46].
The People of the Scripture are the Jews and Christians, and other disbelievers who have been granted security, or have a peace treaty with the Muslims, or are living under Muslim rule. But whoever among them commits injustice is to be punished for his injustice and wrongdoing, otherwise what is prescribed for the believer is to argue with them in the way that is best, with both the Muslims and the disbelievers, whilst hating them for the sake of Allah, because of the verse quoted above.
End quote from Majmoo‘ Fataawa Ibn Baaz (5/246).
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allah have mercy on him) was asked: What is loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’)?
Answer: Disavowal and loyalty for the sake of Allah, may He be glorified, means that a person disavows everything that Allah disavowed, as He, may He be glorified and exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“There has already been for you an excellent pattern in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people, ‘Indeed, we are disassociated from you and from whatever you worship other than Allah . We have denied you, and there has appeared between us and you animosity and hatred forever’”
[al-Mumtahinah 60:4].
This is applicable with polytheists who associate others with Allah, as He, may He be exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger”
[at-Tawbah 9:3].
So every believer must disavow every polytheist and disbeliever. This is with regard to people.
Similarly, the Muslim must disavow every deed that is not pleasing to Allah and His Messenger, even if it does not constitute disbelief, such as evildoing and sin, as Allah (may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):
“but Allah has endeared to you the faith and has made it pleasing in your hearts and has made hateful to you disbelief, defiance and disobedience. Those are the [rightly] guided”
[al-Hujuraat 49:7].
End quote from Fataawa Arkaan al-Islam, p. 183.
Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan (may Allah preserve him) said in Sharh Nawaqid al-Islam (p. 158): The Shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him) referred to one type of becoming allies with the disbelievers, which is supporting them, otherwise taking them as allies includes loving them in one’s heart, supporting them against the Muslims, praising them and so on, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, has commanded the Muslims to regard the disbelievers as enemies, hate them and disavow them. This is what is called, in Islam, loyalty and disavowal (al-wala’ wa’l-bara’). End quote.
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I remember reading the tafsir of this verse and it specifically says that the word deenakum does not only apply to religion like popular translation implys. It also means people have a choice to their judgements and decision when it comes to belief.
The severe legal punishments is for those who publicly declare their apostasy and want to cause fitna in Muslim countries. I live in the west where many religions and people with different beliefs coexist. It is hypocritical to expect others to respect my freedom of worship when I discriminate those who choose to leave Islam. It beats the whole purpose of having "freedom". Same reason we are taught to not insult or disrespect other religions for they will curse/disrespect Allah and Prophet Muhammad pbuh in retaliation.
Muslims and non muslims are not equal in the eyes of Allah. That does not mean we dont treated them with basic human decency since we are not guaranteed we will die as muslims or they as non-Muslims.
Be humble for hidaya is from Allah.
And if you truly care about them not ending up in hellfire and finding their way back to Islam, the least you can do is be kind and respectful. All these rudeness and disrespect does is drive them further away from Islam and you might carry that sin..
None of them have the balls to tell people irl, it's all just an actI still don't think they existNever seen them irl
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Mf I don't even live near somalis, besides why would someone start a conversation about how much they disagree with a religion to a person they just met ? Aside from family and friends there is no need to share your personal beliefs with others you're not close to, it's common sense... you hate when atheists are "loud and annoying" about their beliefs yet at the same breath want them to be vocal about it, please use logic because I am genuinely flabbergasted.None of them have the balls to tell people irl it's all just an act
I dont understand why some of yall are so obsessed with somali gaals, most don't even have an online presence. focus on things that actually effect the somali community instead of stressing about a small minority most of you won't even interact with.
I'm not saying anyone should be rude to anyone. But Muslims shouldn't be friends with non-Muslims, shouldn't see non-Muslims as equal to Muslims, should hate non-Muslims for the sake of Allah (which is part of Al-Wala Wal-Bara). We have to follow what Islam says, not come up with any new interpretations.
And a lot of the non-Muslims here... it's very clear that they push agendas that are contrary to Islam. So people should watch out for the ones that do that, not be naïve.
As far as the apostasy law, it is to be carried out by the Muslim ruler and there's not any condition that the apostate has to be outside preaching or anything like that.
We have to follow what Islam says and not try to mix it with our own ideas. Being polite with non-Muslims, fine... but seeing and treating them as equal? That should not happen.
Enjoin the good and forbid the evil.
I'm just saying... some of the mindset that's being advocated... if it's someone's particular mindset they're free to think like that but I think Islam is different than the mindset that's being advocated.
