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[Angelina]

@Angelina I also want to mention... I object to you having attacked me for opposing liberalism. you were criticizing me for somewhere for that. A page or two back I something like that.

I never attacked you for liberalism. Now that is a massive lie and now I’m beginning to think you’re a liar. Show me where? You neee to fear Allah. I attacked you for claiming that Elias has liberalism or haram content on his website without proving it.

It shows your liberal/feminist agenda. You go and defend Yaqeen. You were defending Yasir Qadhi, I don't know if you still do.

I defended Yasir a few months ago. As for Yaqeen, I have nothing to defend since I don’t listen to any of their scholars or know nothing about them. So stop the lying. I merely asked you to show me where in which Elias has written anything haram on his website. And I’m asking you again, show me instead of resorting to lies against me and changing the subject.

So... having a problem with me opposing liberalism... defending Yaqeen and Yasir Qadhi.

Again, show me where in which Elias wrote anything haram. I never defended Yaqeen. I even posted earlier that I don’t care for them nor know much about that them. @Hamzza is my witness. I even said to him to we should stick to the major scholars. But the reason why I’m questioning you about Elias specifically is because he has a separate website to that of Yaqeen and I want to know where in which he wrote anything haram or liberal on his specific website. If you can’t show it or know then it is straight up slander and I’ve had enough of you brothers constantly pointing the finger at each other without any form of real solid evidence. That isn’t Islamic whatsoever and I’m not the type to go off on rumors. I want solid evidence and if you can show it, then I’ll heed your advise and stop reading his site forever.

It goes back to that same principle- birds of a feather. You defend them because you're of that same of feather.

Again, I’ll defend Elias until you can illustrate anything haram or liberal he has posted on his website. If you can show me I’ll stop reading his site. Until then, you’re merely spreading rumors against your Muslim brother and right now you’re lying about me as I never defended liberalism on this thread.

People just need to be extremely wary of what any of these liberal types say. Even if they're quoting the Quran, even if they're quoting hadith, even if they're quoting classical- liberals are constantly twisting things to align with their predetermined agenda.

Show me where in where?

The right way is to take Quran and Sunnah as the starting point and then bring our thinking into conformity with them. What the liberals do, what the feminists do, what these types do and you can see it again and again with these types here- they have this predetermined agenda and then they try to bend Islam to fit with how they want Islam to be.

Again, where has he written anything liberal? Most of this posts come from the views of classical scholars. That’s why I like his site. It has the views of classic scholars. It isn’t just his views.

 

[Angelina]

@AMusee btw the relation between myself and liberal elements shows that DH is lying about "Madkhalis".

truth is liberal types are extremely hostile to me. even if I try to be diplomatic towards them- and I often have tried to be... liberal types hate my guts. pretty much every liberal type on here despises me and sees me as one of the main villains... that's been a thing for years. anyone who is vaguely familiar with me understands that liberals hate my guts. and it isn't even that I go out of my way to antagonize them and then they hate me. even if I try to be nice to them, they are just inherently very hostile towards me. and that being so, I take a proactive stance and pre-emptively take a more hostile view of liberalism. if liberals were content to leave me alone, I'd be a lot more inclined to leave them alone. but they are very aggressive to me just because I don't think like them.

anyways, liberals and "Madkhalis" utterly despise each other. And Yasir Qadhi, the pope of the "Muslim liberal" people (or is that Shia Mehdi Hasan??) is an "anti-Madkhali" just like DH. being "anti-Madkhali" is the official papal edict of "Muslim liberalism" via "liberal Muslim" pope Yasir Qadhi, emir al-watered-downiyeen.

anyways, the hostile relationship between "Madkhalis" and liberals shows that DH is lying. the souls are like recruited soldiers. birds of a feather is one million percent real. if we were secretly in cahoots like how DH claims- we would naturally be drawn to each other. instead we're natural deeply-hostile opponents of each other. so DH is lying. DH and the DH supporters are the only people I know who even try to make such a claim. DH would have people think someone like me is pro-liberalism whereas liberals hate my guts because my views are a threat to their ideology.

This is the issue, all of you lot misunderstand and lie about each other. You’re calling Elias liberal with hardly any proof and now you’re being called liberal with hardly any proof. At this point it’s nothing but a game of who can point the finger. Good luck.

 

[cooli3o]

This is the issue, all of you lot misunderstand and lie about each other. You’re calling Elias liberal with hardly any proof and now you’re being called liberal with hardly any proof. At this point it’s nothing but a game of who can point the finger. Good luck.

all salafi is is modern day jews, they just use all of their Islamic knowledge to call each other deviants. every salafi person you know who is public has been refuted and most likely by other salafis

 

[Angelina]

all salafi is is modern day jews, they just use all of their Islamic knowledge to call each other deviants. every salafi person you know who is public has been refuted and most likely by other salafis

@Omar del Sur literally just lied about me saying that I was attacking him for being against liberalism. Allah is my witness, I attacked him because he didn’t show me any proof that Elias wrote anything haram and against Islam on his website. This is how some of these young guys operate and now I see why they’re always attacking each other because they outright lie about each other, twist each other’s point or misunderstand each other and don’t bother to confirm.

Keypoints:

1. I never defended Yaqeen. I’ve made it clear that I don’t care about them and I dont know much about them.

2. I’ve said that if you’re going to attack Elias and his personal website then at least show me where in which he said anything haram. That’s a fair point. If you can show me, I’ll stop reading his site.

3. I don’t recall defending liberalism on this thread. The debate was about whether women would be the majority in heaven. I used Elias’s website as he posted the views of Ibn Hajar and other classical scholars. Once Omar had an issue with that I then posted Islamqa.org which had the same Hadiths and scholarly commentary to illustrate that Elias’s post was the same as other Islamic websites.

4. Now my point is, when I asked Omar to show me proof that Elias’s content has haram and liberalism why did he then attack me and say that I’m defending liberalism? Isn’t that very dishonest and a huge cop out? Why is that behavior acceptable?

As for your Salafi point. I refrain from attacking them as that is falling into the same issue I’m talking about. I too used to be an ardent Salafi. I’m still Athari but I refrain from calling myself Salafi now.

 

[Hamzza]

Nope, Abu Huraira was clearly talking about the men having two wives who are of the dunya. The Hadith literally starts of with references of people debating about men or women will be the majority in Jannah.

The two wives are Hoor al Ayn

 

[Angelina]

@Hamzza

How can you say they’ll be hoor Al ayn when this is the full Hadith:


Muhammad reported that some (persons) stated with a sense of pride and some discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women. It was upon this that Abu Huraira reported that Abu'l Qasim (the Holy Prophet) (ﷺ) said:
The (members) of the first group to get into Paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night, and the next to this group would have their faces as bright as the shining stars in the sky, and every person would have two wives and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise.

حَدَّثَنِي عَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ، وَيَعْقُوبُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدَّوْرَقِيُّ، جَمِيعًا عَنِ ابْنِ عُلَيَّةَ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لِيَعْقُوبَ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ ابْنُ عُلَيَّةَ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَيُّوبُ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدٍ، قَالَ إِمَّا تَفَاخَرُوا وَإِمَّا تَذَاكَرُوا الرِّجَالُ فِي الْجَنَّةِ أَكْثَرُ أَمِ النِّسَاءُ فَقَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ أَوَلَمْ يَقُلْ أَبُو الْقَاسِمِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِنَّ أَوَّلَ زُمْرَةٍ تَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ عَلَى صُورَةِ الْقَمَرِ لَيْلَةَ الْبَدْرِ وَالَّتِي تَلِيهَا عَلَى أَضْوَإِ كَوْكَبٍ دُرِّيٍّ فِي السَّمَاءِ لِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ مِنْهُمْ زَوْجَتَانِ اثْنَتَانِ يُرَى مُخُّ سُوقِهِمَا مِنْ وَرَاءِ اللَّحْمِ وَمَا فِي الْجَنَّةِ أَعْزَبُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Sahih Muslim 2834a - The Book of Paradise, its Description, its Bounties and its Inhabitants - كتاب الجنة وصفة نعيمها وأهلها - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Abu Huraira literally used this Hadith to prove that there will be more women in paradise.

 

[Hamzza]

@Hamzza

How can you say they’ll be hoor Al ayn when this is the full Hadith:


Muhammad reported that some (persons) stated with a sense of pride and some discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women. It was upon this that Abu Huraira reported that Abu'l Qasim (the Holy Prophet) (ﷺ) said:
The (members) of the first group to get into Paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night, and the next to this group would have their faces as bright as the shining stars in the sky, and every person would have two wives and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise.

حَدَّثَنِي عَمْرٌو النَّاقِدُ، وَيَعْقُوبُ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ الدَّوْرَقِيُّ، جَمِيعًا عَنِ ابْنِ عُلَيَّةَ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لِيَعْقُوبَ - قَالاَ حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ ابْنُ عُلَيَّةَ، أَخْبَرَنَا أَيُّوبُ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدٍ، قَالَ إِمَّا تَفَاخَرُوا وَإِمَّا تَذَاكَرُوا الرِّجَالُ فِي الْجَنَّةِ أَكْثَرُ أَمِ النِّسَاءُ فَقَالَ أَبُو هُرَيْرَةَ أَوَلَمْ يَقُلْ أَبُو الْقَاسِمِ صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ "‏ إِنَّ أَوَّلَ زُمْرَةٍ تَدْخُلُ الْجَنَّةَ عَلَى صُورَةِ الْقَمَرِ لَيْلَةَ الْبَدْرِ وَالَّتِي تَلِيهَا عَلَى أَضْوَإِ كَوْكَبٍ دُرِّيٍّ فِي السَّمَاءِ لِكُلِّ امْرِئٍ مِنْهُمْ زَوْجَتَانِ اثْنَتَانِ يُرَى مُخُّ سُوقِهِمَا مِنْ وَرَاءِ اللَّحْمِ وَمَا فِي الْجَنَّةِ أَعْزَبُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Sahih Muslim 2834a - The Book of Paradise, its Description, its Bounties and its Inhabitants - كتاب الجنة وصفة نعيمها وأهلها - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic

sunnah.com

Abu Huraira literally used this Hadith to prove that there will be more women in paradise.

The Hadith doesn't state the two wives are from the women of the world.

Abu Huraira said in another Hadith he narrated from the prophet:

عن أبي هريرة، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، قال: " للرجل من أهل الجنة زوجتان من حور العين

Every man from the people of Paradise has two wives from Hoor Al Ayn

https://hadithprophet.com/hadith-12776.html

Ibn Qayyim used this Hadith as proof of the women of the world being the minority in Jannah

 

[Angelina]

The Hadith doesn't state the two wives are from the women of the world.

Abu Huraira said in another Hadith he narrated from the prophet:

عن أبي هريرة، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، قال: " للرجل من أهل الجنة زوجتان من حور العين

Every man from the people of Paradise has two wives from Hoor Al Ayn

https://hadithprophet.com/hadith-12776.html

Ibn Qayyim used this Hadith as proof of the women of the world being the minority in Jannah

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“It is soundly narrated that each man of the people of Paradise will have two wives from among human women, in addition to al-hur al-‘in .” (Majmu‘ al-Fatawa, 6/432)

Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“What that means is that these two will be from among the progeny of Adam, and he will have other wives from among al-hur al-‘in , as many as Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, wills.” (Al-Bidayah wa’n-Nihayah, 20/341)

Ibn Hajr also believed they’re from the Dunya as well.

Also, look at this Hadith:

The words “each of them will have two wives” refer to women of this world. Ahmad narrated via another isnad from Abu Hurayrah a marfu‘ hadith which speaks of the lowest of the people of Paradise in status: “He will have seventy-two wives from among al-hur al-‘in , in addition to his wives from this world.” The isnad of this report includes Shahr ibn Hawshab, concerning whom there were some reservations. Abu Ya‘la said concerning the lengthy hadith of the trumpet which was narrated via another isnad from Abu Hurayrah in a marfu‘ hadith: “A man will come in and see seventy-two wives of those whom Allah will create for him, and two wives from among the progeny of Adam.”

There seems to be more proof that the women will be from the dunya. We have Ibn Taymiyya, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Ibn HAjr Ibn Kafir ect are of that opinion.

According to Islamqa, ibn Rajab Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Baz seem to be the only ones saying that the two wives will be Hoors and not from the Dunya. All the classical scholars apart from Qayyim seem to be saying that they’ll be from the Dunya.

Hence each to their own.

 

[cooli3o]

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“It is soundly narrated that each man of the people of Paradise will have two wives from among human women, in addition to al-hur al-‘in .” (Majmu‘ al-Fatawa, 6/432)

Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

“What that means is that these two will be from among the progeny of Adam, and he will have other wives from among al-hur al-‘in , as many as Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, wills.” (Al-Bidayah wa’n-Nihayah, 20/341)

Ibn Hajr also believed they’re from the Dunya as well.

Also, look at this Hadith:

The words “each of them will have two wives” refer to women of this world. Ahmad narrated via another isnad from Abu Hurayrah a marfu‘ hadith which speaks of the lowest of the people of Paradise in status: “He will have seventy-two wives from among al-hur al-‘in , in addition to his wives from this world.” The isnad of this report includes Shahr ibn Hawshab, concerning whom there were some reservations. Abu Ya‘la said concerning the lengthy hadith of the trumpet which was narrated via another isnad from Abu Hurayrah in a marfu‘ hadith: “A man will come in and see seventy-two wives of those whom Allah will create for him, and two wives from among the progeny of Adam.”

There seems to be more proof that the women will be from the dunya. We have Ibn Taymiyya, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal, Ibn HAjr Ibn Kafir ect are of that opinion.

According to Islamqa, ibn Rajab Ibn Qayyim and Ibn Baz seem to be the only ones saying that the two wives will be Hoors and not from the Dunya. All the classical scholars apart from Qayyim seem to be saying that they’ll be from the Dunya.

Hence each to their own.

If there are more women in jannah than that makes me more happy as a man because I know If I get to jannah im gonna be special compared to most men, i dont really see why women have a problem with the hadeeth of the hellfire anyway

 

[Angelina]

If there are more women in jannah than that makes me more happy as a man because I know If I get to jannah im gonna be special compared to most men, i dont really see why women have a problem with the hadeeth of the hellfire anyway

Men use it against them to suggest that they’re immoral due to their gender. So for instance, a guy and a woman get into a debate, the man will then say, now I see why women are majority in hell. It’s the height of arrogance. A lot of misogynistic men seem to think that they’re the chosen ones due to their gender.

 

[Nak-Muay-Femeu]

A movie produced and directed by gaalo Hollyweird sharmutas about the evils of "patriarchy" whilst demonising being a worthwhile woman and a mother is attracting the, muslim or otherwise, braindead "Yasssss queen!" twitter mob. Shocking, baffling and utterly unexpected...

 

[Kane]

Men use it against them to suggest that they’re immoral due to their gender. So for instance, a guy and a woman get into a debate, the man will then say, now I see why women are majority in hell. It’s the height of arrogance. A lot of misogynistic men seem to think that they’re the chosen ones due to their gender.

We might not be the chosen ones, but at least we’re promised xuural cayn.

while you get refurbished dusty a55 ni99as from the planet earth.

 

[Angelina]

We might not be the chosen ones, but at least we’re promised xuural cayn.

while you get refurbished dusty a55 ni99as from the planet earth.

Are you suggesting that Allah is unjust and that he’s favored men for better in Jannah? That’s not the insult you think it is. Be careful walal. Least you find yourself destined for hellfire instead.

 

[cooli3o]

the man will then say, now I see why women are majority in hell.

but thats due to the women doing an action not due to them being women

 

[cooli3o]

We might not be the chosen ones, but at least we’re promised xuural cayn.

while you get refurbished dusty a55 ni99as from the planet earth.

I woudl remove this comment, the best people in jannah will be from earth, the best women in jannah will be from earth,because we did rightoues deeds, so we will get the best bodies and reward
women will get everything they want in jannah, and alot of them will get better than men, it all has to do with deeds

 

[Angelina]

but thats due to the women doing an action not due to them being women

It is, because what does two people debating have to do with women being the majority? It’s a disgusting superiority complex in which they’ll try and weaponize the deen whenever they feel threatened by a sister. It’s wild as a man saying that to a non Mahram sister about things that has nothing to do with a woman being ungrateful to her husband is beyond wild.

 

[Kane]

Are you suggesting that Allah is unjust and that he’s favored men for better in Jannah? That’s not the insult you think it is. Be careful walal. Least you find yourself destined for hellfire instead.

women seek quality while men seek variety, hence xuraal cayn.

Women will have all of their desires fulfilled just as much as men, but not in the same way.

I woudl remove this comment, the best people in jannah will be from earth, the best women in jannah will be from earth,because we did rightoues deeds, so we will get the best bodies and reward
women will get everything they want in jannah, and alot of them will get better than men, it all has to do with deeds

Daughters of Xaawo of course will be higher in stature and beauty than xural cayn.

but no one gets into Jannah through their good deeds, it’s by the mercy of Allah.

You both know the truth yet failed to get the joke, btw I’m not one of the ni99as from earth.

 

[AMusee]

@AMusee btw since you are a supporter of DH... how do you reconcile the view that "Madkhalis" are secretly on the same team with the hostile relationship between myself and liberals? are we faking it? am I secretly great friends with them behind closed doors? according to DH ideology, I am in favor of secular liberalism. so am I in favor of secular liberalism?

am I not one of the "Madkhalis" (Sheikh Rabee Al-Madkhali is a great scholar of our time btw, I love him for the sake of Allah and I condemn 5pillars for being ikhwani)? so unless I'm not a "Madkhali"... how exactly am I a proponent of secular liberalism? I would like an explanation of this.

If you would actually read and try to understand the argument you would know that madkhalis support liberalism indirectly by protecting gulf monarchies allied with zionists trying to liberalize the middle east. It is why you are so triggered by DH, because he called out MBS who allows zionists to edit Muslim childrens text books, arrests the scholars for merely speaking against his "entertainment authority". Madkhlais first and foremost are loyal to MBS/MBZ and sometimes Sisi. Like I have said before, basically the top zionist allies.

In the west madkhalis will condemn liberalism but if anyone speaks against MBS/MBZ/Sisi liberalization projects or building hindu temples they lose it.

That is how madkhlis support liberalism in the end, they are no different to outright liberals in that way. Same end results.


This is what you defend:


https://twitter.com/muslimdaily_/status/1449423615129276420?s=20

 

[AMusee]

Meanwhile you also defend this:



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[AMusee]