5pillars criticise muslim women for watching barbie
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Because the Hadith is rarely used by regular men as a warning but as a to belittle women and make them seem that they are inherently evil. I had a user on here use that Hadith as a way to imply women who reject men for marital purposes is the reason why they make up the majority of hellfire. That Hadith is only in relation to ungratefulness to your husbands and not random men. It’s almost as if some of these guys believe they are immune to being thrown into jahannam.
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Movies and shows were never real to me. Celebrities are modern day court jesters and they are all involved in some filth. That’s why I laugh when I hear grown adults being desperate for representation. How does it benefit me if I see someone on a screen that has the same skin tone as me?
Women are the majority of heaven and hell. These niggas tried it.
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We understand women are majority of the inhabitants of hell via hadeeth not because there are more women then men before you give that reasoning since reasons are already given in the hadeeth and in that same hadeeth it states poor people will be the main inhabitants of heaven. Anyways why do you think women will also be the main inhabitants of heaven?
Keep in mind for the most part when things are stable world wide men and women are about equal in numbers and men's numbers go down when wars come but but those are still lives lived and won't really affect the balance between men and women when it comes to there numbers in the hearafter which may also suggest that across history there where probably more men to women but many died off in wars
I understand the warning behind the Hadith and I don’t have issue with it. I dislike when it’s used for random unrelated things or things that aren’t even sins. Also the doors of repentance are always open as long as you’re alive.
as for the Barbie movie, it’s just a fun silly movie for women. We haven’t had one in a long time so let us enjoy the brain junk for a couple of hours.
Towards the end times there will be 50 women to 1 man. So no, your point is dismissed. Also, scholars of old discuss that there will be more women in heaven as every believing man will get two wives who are from the dunya.
Jav you really tried it. Crazy that you think women will not only be the majority in hell but a minority in heaven indicating that you really believe that we’re immoral compared to men.
@Javelin
Muhammad ibn Sirin reported: People were boasting to each other, whether men or women would be a majority in Paradise. Abu Huraira said: I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, say:
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1348, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi
Also, @Javelin another point that scholars make is that 2. The hadith could refer to the moment when the Prophet of Allah Sallallahu Alahi Wasalam had physically seen Paradise and Hell. They do not mention that it will always remain like that. (Faidhul Bari p.244 v.4).
Muhammad ibn Sirin reported: People were boasting to each other, whether men or women would be a majority in Paradise. Abu Huraira said: I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, say:
Al-Qadi ‘Iyad comments on this tradition, saying:
And Ibn Hajar writes:
That women are a majority overall is supported by other traditions speaking about periods of time in the future when women will greatly outnumber men. It is a sign of the coming of the Day of Judgment if we see many more women than men.
Anas ibn Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:
In another narration, the Prophet (ṣ) said:
A man will be seen followed by forty women seeking refuge with him due to the scarcity of men and abundance of women.
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 1348, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi
Also, @Javelin another point that scholars make is that 2. The hadith could refer to the moment when the Prophet of Allah Sallallahu Alahi Wasalam had physically seen Paradise and Hell. They do not mention that it will always remain like that. (Faidhul Bari p.244 v.4).
That hadith with Abu Hurayra always used to confuse me when he said women will be the majority since it contradicted this other hadith.
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From what I came to understand the way some scholars reconciled is that what the Messenger SAW had seen was only at a certain point in time and only in the beginning women will be a minority in paradise but that as more people get saved from hell they will become the majority in heaven.
Yep, I know and other medieval scholars like Ibn Hajar and Nawawi which I posted said that women being the majority is also because of the 50 to 1 which will happen towards the end of times. There is a time in which 40 women will flock to 1 man.That hadith with Abu Hurayra always used to confuse me when he said women will be the majority since it contradicted this other hadith.
Sahih Muslim 2738a - The Book of Heart-Melting Traditions - كتاب الرقاق - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)
Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (saws) in English and Arabic
From what I came to understand the way some scholars reconciled is that what the Messenger SAW had seen was only at a certain point in time and only in the beginning women will be a minority in paradise but that as more people get saved from hell they will become the majority in heaven.
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Towards the end of time one of many signs is that blood shed and war will become more frequent and that a great war will start over gold and for every 100 men only one man will survive all these signs lead to that sign where by the time dajal comes about which is also a warring era there will be 50 women to one man so no my point isn't dismissed because I knew someone would say that. All those men dead are still men who lived a life just not long ones.
Can you tell me about the 2 wives of this dunyah point?
I never said anything that indicated that women are a minority in heaven because they are immoral that's just you choosing to take the worst possible interpretation of what you think I meant.
I don’t need to tell you anything. I literally provided you with the Hadith and actual scholarly commentary saying that it is proof more women would be Jannah. At this point I’m beginning to feel like you enjoy debating. The scholars themselves which I have posted tell you their reasoning so why do you need me a mere laymen to tell you anything?
Also, what proof do you have that towards the end more girls will be born as well? Women during wars at a high level as well, women and children. I ask this because scholars also use the 50 to one man 1 point as well. So your point clearly isn’t the full picture.
That is the impression you created. In a world in which wars, r-word and most massive social upheavals are created by men it’s a bit mad that you would latch onto the point that women would be a minority in heaven, especially considering most men’s two
Wives will be from the Dunya.
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Relax lol I didn't see your reply until after I already replied to your first reply
These are points based off the end times so prophesies what scholars say about this is mainly guesses and is subject to interpretation for example scholars thought yajuj and majuj where the Mongols and they where wrong in that context but your right my point is only an angle of the picture we will never really know unless we live it. Right now in the world there are slightly more men to women wars will mean many men will die leaving g many women dependant and in the end of times wars are more frequent.
And in those hadeeths it says he will be taking care of up to 50 dependants who includes his sisters/mother/aunt/wife or wives/daughters etc now logically he can only have a single mother and 4 wives max the rest have to be from the other dependants. How do you think they all come about meaning that those that should be normally looking after them are all dead.
I also believe the hadeeth is refering to Muslims specifically which supports what I stated correct me of I'm wrong.
Once again your choosing to see things that are not there I didn't consider the 2 wives point and said that prior to that point being made to the two wives point.
It's a matter of perspective massive soical upheaval isn't always a bad thing when the mahdi comes and esa comes that's exactly what they will be doing. The mahdis arrival and esa's arrival will both start and be during wars.
But I digress anyway if every man will have 2 wives of this world in paradise and women will also be more in hell plus all the men who already have multiple wives of this world then that clearly means women will be more in both.
this is copied and pasted from an article from Abu Elias of the deviant Yaqeen institute.
Are women the majority in Hellfire?
www.abuaminaelias.com
I urge people not to trust this article. yaqeen is one of those instututes trying to push "liberal," "Western" Islam.
Omar, everything he said you can also find in other fatwa sites and the Hadith about men in the Dunya having two wives is sahih:this is copied and pasted from an article from Abu Elias of the deviant Yaqeen institute.
Are women the majority in Hellfire?
I urge people not to trust this article. yaqeen is one of those instututes trying to push "liberal," "Western" Islam.
Once some people discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women. It was upon this that Saaiduna Abu Hurairah Radiallahu Anhu reported that Abul Qasim (the Prophet of Allah Sallallahu Alahi Wasalam) said: The (members) of the first group to get into Paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night, and the next to this group would have their faces as bright as the shining stars in the sky, and every person would have two (worldly) wives and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise. (Sahih Muslim)
Hafiz Bin Hajar (RA) says, ‘Saaiduna Abu Huraira Radiallahu Anhu used this hadith as a proof to maintain that there would be more women in Paradise than men.’ (Fathul Bari p.400 v.6)
There is now an apparent contradiction in the two ahadiths which have been reconciled in the follwing ways:
1. The women could be more in Hell and less in Paradise at the beginning. Thereafter, when they were purified of their sins or when intercession on their behalf is accepted, they would enter Paradise and they would outnumber the men there too. (Fathul Bari p.401 v.6)
Are there more women in Hell than men - IslamQA
Are there more women in Hell than men In the name of Allah, the most Beneficent, the most Merciful. Answer Saaiduna Ibn Abbas Radiallahu Anhu narrates that the Prophet of Allah Sallallahu Alahi
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Now I’ve copied and pasted Islam.org. So now what? What he said is factual and isn’t disputed by scholars. The Elias guy literally copied and pasted the works of Ibn Hajar and Sahih Hadiths of Abu Huraira.
You can dislike him or his page but saying people shouldn’t take what he posted when it isn’t even his work and is pasted from classic scholars is absurd and unjust.
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You’re a perfect example of when someone is so caught up with liberalism/westernization and Islamic speakers disputes that you don’t even fact check the actual article at hand. Elias literally copied and pasted authentic Hadith and medieval classical scholars commentary and those works are also posted by Islamqa.org as well. None of it was his mere opinion.this is copied and pasted from an article from Abu Elias of the deviant Yaqeen institute.
Are women the majority in Hellfire?
I urge people not to trust this article. yaqeen is one of those instututes trying to push "liberal," "Western" Islam.
This is very embarrassing for you indeed. How is the point of women being the majority in heaven a Western point when Abu Hurraira and Ibn Hajar discuss this and there commentary and books are clearly referenced not just on his site but others?
Also, right you’re slandering that Elias man show me one article in which he has endorsed LGTB or anything of that nature or any form of Westernization that goes against the deen. Show me, something tells me you’ll be hard pressed.
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Barbie is a ho3
Barbie is a toy.
you can't live your entire life calling people deviants, do you not get sick of thinking like this, some people never maturethis is copied and pasted from an article from Abu Elias of the deviant Yaqeen institute.
Are women the majority in Hellfire?
I urge people not to trust this article. yaqeen is one of those instututes trying to push "liberal," "Western" Islam.
