24 men involved in the r*pe of two young sisters in Lascanood, Sool, Somalia.

I'm not sure any of that is true. Somalia was very much an Islamic country under his government and he facilitated the construction of mosques and supported local imams. The "scholars" he executed were also enemies.

There’s literally no credible evidence that he was an atheist, hated Islam, or was a drinker. These accusations are often repeated without proof and seem more like politically motivated slander than fact.

In contrast, there is evidence showing that figures like Egal, Abdullahi Yusuf, and Aidiid were heavy drinkers. Ironically, many of these same individuals openly branded themselves as secularists and deliberately distanced their politics from Islam. Some even sought alliances with actors known for their hostility toward Islam and Muslims, just to gain external backing.

As for the sheikhs who were executed they were put on trial, and many were found to lack even basic Islamic knowledge. One wasn't Somali and another was Ethiopian. The group itself was reportedly organized abroad and had political motivations. Their public incitement, including using the inheritance law issue as a pretext, pointed to a broader agenda that went beyond simple religious disagreement.


That said, I do agree that the government’s decision to execute them was a mistake. It gave people an emotional symbol to rally around later and allowed the incident to be used as long term propaganda against the state.


I can't see who you are responding to, but this is absolutely true. I assume a Kacaanist is trying to cover this up, as they always do. Whenever you mention anything that regime did, they run in to pretend it wasn't true.

The Kacaan regime used rape as punishment and humiliation. For example, when they were ethnically cleansing Majeerteen people, red berets were ordered to rape the girls, which forced the MJs in Mudug to hide their girls among another clan/ally at the time. This is well-known.

This is an excerpt from Abdulahi Yusuf AUN's book. General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) came to Gaalkacyo and said 'their property ....AND WOMEN and sharaftooda are Xalaal to you"... kicking off a wave of ethnic cleansing and rape.



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Pictured below; Ahmed Saleebaan Dafle, General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) during the Siyad Barre era. The leader of the Majeerteen ethnic cleansing campaign.


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That’s a politically motivated smear rooted in Abdullahi Yusuf’s self-serving and often dishonest narrative. His memoir is far from an objective historical record , it reads like a propaganda piece tailored to absolve himself and deflect blame onto others. It's hard to take claims like this seriously when there’s no corroborating evidence from neutral or credible sources. If such an extreme statement and public policy like declaring “Majerteen are the enemy of the revolution” had actually been made in Gaalkacyo a Majeerteen stronghold there would be far more reporting, testimonies, or documentation from others.


Let’s also not forget Abdullahi Yusuf’s own record. He was a known schemer who openly admitted to misleading foreign governments to gain support for his ambitions. In a Kenyan interview, he bragged about lying to Kenyan authorities about Somalia to get backing and claimed credit for helping Ethiopia rebound militarily in 1978 after Somalia’s Ogaden campaign basically admitting to betraying his country in favor of a historic enemy:
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This is someone who spent decades trying to whitewash his role in Somalia’s instability while painting others as villains. He had every incentive to exaggerate or fabricate accusations, especially against the Kacaan regime, which he opposed and fought militarily.

If you really want to understand what happened, look for accounts that aren’t rooted in personal grudges or revisionist politics. The truth is always more complex than what one disgraced political actor claims in a self-promoting memoir.

You can read this thread yourself it outlines how Abdullahi Yusuf lived one of the most disgraceful political lives in Somali history, marked by deception, betrayal, and opportunism:
 
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@Idilinaa I agree with everything you said about the prevalence of sexual violence in Somalia but what are your thoughts on FGM? It is still a major abuse happening even if its not unique to Somalia.
I’m not entirely sure what the current overall national prevalence rate is, but I assume the practice is now far more concentrated in rural areas than urban ones. Importantly, every regional state in Somalia has taken some legal or policy-based steps toward banning or restricting FGM some even adopting zero-tolerance policies.

For instance, in Somaliland and Puntland, rates reportedly dropped to about 25% among girls in 2013. That’s a big deal, and it reflects the positive impact of stronger education systems, urbanization, and more responsive regional governments in those areas.

I personally believe the most effective way to end FGM is through a grassroots educational and cultural shift. Back in the 1970s and 80s, the Somali Women's Democratic Organization ran a surprisingly successful national campaign against FGM backed by the government until the civil war tragically disrupted it.

But if we want a sustainable solution, we also need to confront the cultural roots of FGM:

- It’s often wrongly perceived as “Islamic,” despite having pre-Islamic (Pharaonic/pagan) origins.

- The practice is women-led, ritualized, and passed down generationally as a symbol of fertility and sign womanhood, marriage readiness etc.

- And crucially, men are often silent even if they disagree with it privately.

That silence needs to end. A study in Ethiopia’s Somali and Harari regions found that men, especially younger men, were more likely to oppose FGM and many preferred to marry uncircumcised women. That’s a major cultural leverage point.

Attitude toward female genital mutilation among Somali and Harari people, Eastern Ethiopia

The findings showed that there was a strong support for the continuation of the practice among female discussants in Somali region, whereas male discussants from the same region and the majority of the participants from Harari region had a positive attitude toward the discontinuation of the practice.
Although young men in both the regions prefer to marry uncircumcised girls,

In short, yes FGM is still a form of abuse that persists, but the tools to fight it already exist within Somali society: legal reform, cultural change, religious clarification, and men’s vocal opposition. Those just need to be mobilized more consistently.
 
That seems like fake news conspiracy theories theres pics of siad barre going to hajj I’m sure you can find it on the internet
He actually expelled most Christian missionary organizations shortly after taking power and was openly hostile to their presence.

Before his takeover in 1969, Somalia under the civilian government (1960–69) was seen as a playground for Western missionary groups, particularly Mennonites who ran schools, hospitals, and bookstores. After Barre’s military government took control, Somalia became increasingly closed off and ended all their activities.

“𝘔𝘢𝘫𝘰𝘳 𝘎𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘔𝘰𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘚𝘪𝘢𝘥 𝘉𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘥𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘭𝘺, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺. 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘵𝘴 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘹𝘪𝘴𝘮 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘮, 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘢 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳 𝘢 𝘧𝘳𝘦𝘦 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴. 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘔𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘭𝘴, 𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘴, 𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭, 𝘢𝘥𝘶𝘭𝘵 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘰𝘧 "𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴," 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘢𝘺 𝘰𝘧 1960-1969”



In contrast, it was the pre-Kacaan civilian governments that were more secular in orientation. The era from 1960 to 1969 was marked by Westernized elites, less visible religious observance, and widespread Christian NGO access. The absence of hijab and Islamic dress some people point to from early 1970s photos was actually a holdover from the previous elite urban culture, not a reflection of Barre’s ideology.

By the 1980s, modest Islamic wear and public religiosity had proliferated, due in large part to the government's promotion of Islamic education and values.

Yes Siad Barre went to Hajj, and Somalia was widely regarded as a conservative Muslim country under his rule, with mosques full during prayers and Islamic tenants/holidays were observed. The idea that he was anti-Islam or some kind of militant atheist doesn’t hold up to the available evidence.

New York Times report Oct 11 1977
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How does a horrifying threat about the rape of two little girls turn into a coping match about which warlord is a more conservative and righteous Muslim?
It started with someone making the claim that there was state sponsored sexual violence in Somalia a serious accusation that deserves scrutiny.

Then it veered into a broader attempt to frame wartime sexual violence which tragically occurs in every conflict zone worldwide as uniquely tied to a specific regime, society/culture or ideology, rather than acknowledging it as a universal byproduct of war.

From there, it spiraled into a selective history match over which warlord or leader was “more Islamic” which completely derails from the original concern, justice for victims and confronting abuse, regardless of who commits it.
 
My entire first post discussed men misusing their power to rape, so at what point have I ever denied that this could even be possible? The post I was referring to, was when it is ordered by a regime vs soldiers being demonic. During the Siad Barre regime, rape was absolutely ordered from above. TFG ordering rape? I have no evidence of that, but I will accept it if it's given. Because why would that be shocking.

Check the Human Rights Watch report (im on my phone rn i dont have the screenshots) there’s substantial evidence that the tfg and Ethiopian forces were commanded by their superiors to loot, rape literally commit every war crime you can think of. Your beloved adeer isnt all innocent after all
 
Check the Human Rights Watch report (im on my phone rn i dont have the screenshots) there’s substantial evidence that the tfg and Ethiopian forces were commanded by their superiors to loot, rape literally commit every war crime you can think of. Your beloved adeer isnt all innocent after all
There is no credible evidence that Siad Barre directly ordered or sanctioned rape as a policy of war. We need to be precise when discussing such serious crimes. Rape and other abuses can occur during wartime, but unless there’s documented evidence showing that it was state policy or ordered from the top, it should not be treated as such. Otherwise, we risk trivializing real victims and politicizing suffering.

In fact, during counterinsurgency operations, Barre was quoted calling for restraint from the army. For example:

"President Siad Barre has appointed a constitutional committee whose objective is to achieve reconciliation. Also he has instructed his army to excercize restraint towards civilians. "

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Of course, this doesn’t mean no crimes occurred war often breeds chaos and gaps in accountability. Like i explained before:

Also, I’ve pointed this out before sexual violence in armed conflict is a global pattern, not something unique to Somalia or its people. It has happened throughout history, in every region.


Look at the recent war in Ukraine:


So again, these horrors are not uniquely Somali. They are a result of lawlessness, the collapse of state institutions, and armed conflict not everyday cultural norms. Wartime sexual violence is a documented tactic of war, often used deliberately to terrorize, humiliate or displace populations. It occurs when there is a vacuum of accountability, not because the society inherently condones it.

But it's misleading to suggest every action by individual soldiers was officially sanctioned. Just as we wouldn’t blame an entire government for the actions of rogue teens or individuals as in this thread, we must apply the same logic to the military unless there is conclusive proof of top down orders.


Abuses should be investigated, perpetrators held accountable, but we must not weaponize these tragedies for political point scoring. It disrespects both truth and justice.
 
There is no credible evidence that Siad Barre directly ordered or sanctioned rape as a policy of war. We need to be precise when discussing such serious crimes. Rape and other abuses can occur during wartime, but unless there’s documented evidence showing that it was state policy or ordered from the top, it should not be treated as such. Otherwise, we risk trivializing real victims and politicizing suffering.

In fact, during counterinsurgency operations, Barre was quoted calling for restraint from the army. For example:

"President Siad Barre has appointed a constitutional committee whose objective is to achieve reconciliation. Also he has instructed his army to excercize restraint towards civilians. "

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Of course, this doesn’t mean no crimes occurred war often breeds chaos and gaps in accountability. Like i explained before:



But it's misleading to suggest every action by individual soldiers was officially sanctioned. Just as we wouldn’t blame an entire government for the actions of rogue teens or individuals as in this thread, we must apply the same logic to the military unless there is conclusive proof of top down orders.


Abuses should be investigated, perpetrators held accountable, but we must not weaponize these tragedies for political point scoring. It disrespects both truth and justice.
I think he’s talking about Abdullahi Yusuf and his ethiopian allies who invaded Somalia in 2006
 
I'm not sure any of that is true. Somalia was very much an Islamic country under his government and he facilitated the construction of mosques and supported local imams. The "scholars" he executed were also enemies.
Mashallah Amir al Mumineen defender of Socialism Sheikh Al Islam Siad Barre
 
Wow from the way they're talking it looks like they might give all these guys the death penalty to send a statement

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KhaatumoState?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#KhaatumoState</a> of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Somalia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Somalia</a> has arrived back in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Laascaanood?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Laascaanood</a> from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Muqdisho?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Muqdisho</a>.<br><br>“This rape case is a test for our state and it will reveal whether we are a NOBLE people or a people with no integrity”<br><br>The President also apologised for the rapist that attended the exam <a href="https://t.co/Od23tOPVzf">pic.twitter.com/Od23tOPVzf</a></p>&mdash; Laascaanood (@laascaanood_) <a href="">June 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
24 boys will not be to death stop it. it will be jail and financial compensation. somalia is barely able to put killers to death without clan war breaking out
 

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24 boys will not be to death stop it. it will be jail and financial compensation. somalia is barely able to put killers to death without clan war breaking out
somalia actually put alot of rapist to death, of course if this was any western or eastern nation they would be put behind bars
 

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Siad Barre was likely a fake Muslim. He imprisoned associates and close friends of this one Mogadishu-based Murusade cleric around the mid 1980s. Its not common knowledge but dozens were victimized. Many religious women in prison were raped. Many religious men were beaten up. Siad Barre also had a huge hatred against Isaaq people after his father was killed by a Habar Younis man and had a Habar Younis personal doctor to mask his hate. Being Isaaq in the 80s was hell under Barre in Xamar. Even those who worked in government were brutalized. His government even took pictures of Isaaqs protesting outside the Somali embassy in Canada and have their family members killed them in Somalia as a result.
 
u somalia actually put alot of rapist to death, of course if this was any western or eastern nation they would be put behind bars
killers hardly get executed and turned over. and rape is not treated more severly. its impossible for 24 guys to executed for this. carrying out executions in somalia is hard because its clan based and there is always history and tit for tats. maybe one day when govt is more powerful than clan and disarms everyone will justice be meted out fairly but that day is not here
 
Siad Barre was likely a fake Muslim. He imprisoned associates and close friends of this one Mogadishu-based Murusade cleric around the mid 1980s. Its not common knowledge but dozens were victimized. Many religious women in prison were raped. Many religious men were beaten up. Siad Barre also had a huge hatred against Isaaq people after his father was killed by a Habar Younis man and had a Habar Younis personal doctor to mask his hate. Being Isaaq in the 80s was hell under Barre in Xamar. Even those who worked in government were brutalized. His government even took pictures of Isaaqs protesting outside the Somali embassy in Canada and have their family members killed them in Somalia as a result.
Imagine, someone like @Idilinaa will deny this due to no proof when our families are the living proof who lived through that era. There are many conflicting reports and different perspective due to tribalism but one thing many people I know from different qabils can agree upon is that he did go through a time when he was imprisoning Muslim clerics because under Siyad Barre inheritance was equal and obviously people disagreed with that. This is without doubt a fact and I can show various proofs from Jstor articles that details this in detail, when I get the time. Idilina, the reason why I don’t usually bother debating with you is not that I don’t have the facts but it’s exhausting debating with someone who copies and pastes and it’s always distorting reality just to that you can create a good image. You can’t put lipstick on the truth. Some things happened 100%.


Key points:​

  • The Family Law of 1975, one of the regime’s landmark legal reforms, granted equal rights to women in matters of marriage, divorce, and inheritance.
  • This law allowed daughters and sons to inherit equally, which was a direct challenge to traditional Islamic inheritance laws (Sharia), where typically males receive double the share of females in similar kinship positions.
  • The reform was part of a broader push for gender equality, in line with the government’s Marxist-Leninist orientation.

 
Siad Barre was likely a fake Muslim. He imprisoned associates and close friends of this one Mogadishu-based Murusade cleric around the mid 1980s. Its not common knowledge but dozens were victimized. Many religious women in prison were raped. Many religious men were beaten up. Siad Barre also had a huge hatred against Isaaq people after his father was killed by a Habar Younis man and had a Habar Younis personal doctor to mask his hate. Being Isaaq in the 80s was hell under Barre in Xamar. Even those who worked in government were brutalized. His government even took pictures of Isaaqs protesting outside the Somali embassy in Canada and have their family members killed them in Somalia as a result.

Yes, yes , of course he was a 'fake Muslim'... that’s why he declared Islam the state religion, built mosques and Qur’anic schools, made Islamic credentials a requirement for diplomats, and put scholars and sheikhs at the center of his national literacy campaign. Totally sounds like someone hiding his atheism.

He also ‘faked’ his faith by framing the Ogaden War as a legitimate jihad, and elevating religious martyrs to national hero status. But I guess imprisoning a few politically active clerics suddenly makes everything else irrelevant because in this logic, being a religious figure automatically absolves you of any crime, including treason, right?


And yes, let’s talk about his supposed ‘hatred’ for Isaaqs. You mean the same Isaaq community that had senior roles in government vice president, head of the air force, top positions in the Somali National Army? The NSS?? Or the one whose regions (Hargeisa, Burco, Berbera) received infrastructure, schools, roads, and development aid? That ‘hatred’ even extended to disaster relief Barre organized airlifts for the northern drought victims and led a humanitarian campaign to support them.

He also pushed for peace resolutions multiple times, which were rejected or undermined by SNM leadership including individuals like Sillanyo, who coordinated with Ethiopia and even targeted Isaaq elders. After the bombings, Barre ordered humanitarian aid, donated $1 million for reconstruction, and commissioned hospitals and infrastructure projects in the aftermath.

But yes clearly, every one of these actions proves he ‘hated’ Isaaqs and Islam. Maybe write a memoir about it title it "Facts I Made Up on Twitter."
 
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Imagine, someone like @Idilinaa will deny this due to no proof when our families are the living proof who lived through that era. There are many conflicting reports and different perspective due to tribalism but one thing many people I know from different qabils can agree upon is that he did go through a time when he was imprisoning Muslim clerics because under Siyad Barre inheritance was equal and obviously people disagreed with that. This is without doubt a fact and I can show various proofs from Jstor articles that details this in detail, when I get the time. Idilina, the reason why I don’t usually bother debating with you is not that I don’t have the facts but it’s exhausting debating with someone who copies and pastes and it’s always distorting reality just to that you can create a good image. You can’t put lipstick on the truth. Some things happened 100%.


Key points:​

  • The Family Law of 1975, one of the regime’s landmark legal reforms, granted equal rights to women in matters of marriage, divorce, and inheritance.
  • This law allowed daughters and sons to inherit equally, which was a direct challenge to traditional Islamic inheritance laws (Sharia), where typically males receive double the share of females in similar kinship positions.
  • The reform was part of a broader push for gender equality, in line with the government’s Marxist-Leninist orientation.


The conflicting narratives about this era are largely the result of politicized revisionism, often shaped by clan politics and post-collapse trauma not objective historical truth. When you go back to the actual ''primary sources'' including testimonies and documented interviews from that time a more nuanced and often very different picture emerges.


In fact, Siad Barre himself was asked directly about the inheritance law and the executing/jailing of them.
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He responded clearly: the law could be revised through public demand.

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But instead of genuine engagement, certain actors used it as a political pretext to stir unrest and delegitimize the state not out of sincere religious objection, but for power.

You don’t need JSTOR, modern-day armchair theorists, or secondhand narratives. Just read the full interview he gave to an Egyptian magazine someone posted it here:


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As for the claim that Barre was hostile to Islam that’s not supported by the broader evidence. Multiple external diplomatic assessments (some of which I’ve cited before) concluded that his ideological drive was rooted far more in Islamic nationalism than Marxism. The socialist framework was primarily a developmental tool, not a deep ideological commitment.

Siad Barre saw Somalia as the vanguard of Islam in Africa and that wasn’t just rhetorical posturing. He actively supported Muslim causes across the continent, backed Islamic resistance movements, and consistently promoted Islamic solidarity on the international stage. His administration worked to strengthen Somalia’s historical and cultural ties with the broader Arab and Muslim world, aiming to position Somalia as both a strategic and spiritual bridge in the region

Personally, I suspect that some of the unrest around the Family Law may have been externally influenced particularly by Saudi actors but that's a suspicion that requires more digging.
 
24 boys will not be to death stop it. it will be jail and financial compensation. somalia is barely able to put killers to death without clan war breaking out
I heard from someone that not all of them were involved. I’m not sure about that, but there needs to be better judicial practices in Somalia for both victims and suspects.
 
somalia actually put alot of rapist to death, of course if this was any western or eastern nation they would be put behind bars

There’s a dangerous tendency to define Somalia solely through the lens of state collapse, where weakened institutions have left communities to fill the void. But it is not and should never be the community’s responsibility to carry out justice for crimes of this nature. That responsibility belongs to formal legal institutions.

Somalia should focus on strengthening its judiciary and legal frameworks to ensure due process, accountability, and consistency. Encouragingly, we've already seen progress: both the reporting and conviction rates for crimes like these have increased in recent years.

That said, we also need to confront the root causes. Some of the posts I’ve read especially those hidden in spoiler tags show a disturbing link between youth exposure to p/cornography, unregulated digital content, and social media platforms. This isn’t just a legal issue; it's a societal crisis.

The government must take proactive steps:

- Ban and regulate access to explicit content.

- Review and possibly block harmful apps like Telegram that facilitate toxic behavior.

- Create culturally relevant Somali social media platforms focused on education and civic engagement, with time and content controls.

- Work with telecom providers who already work with you on taxing mobile transfer to implement content filters and digital safeguards.

Finally, the older generation often lacks insight into the digital worlds that youth now inhabit. That generational disconnect creates a gap in understanding and policy. We need digital literacy programs and youth-focused initiatives to bridge that divide. Justice must be paired with prevention if we’re serious about long term change.
 
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