24 men involved in the r*pe of two young sisters in Lascanood, Sool, Somalia.

I'm not sure any of that is true. Somalia was very much an Islamic country under his government and he facilitated the construction of mosques and supported local imams. The "scholars" he executed were also enemies.

There’s literally no credible evidence that he was an atheist, hated Islam, or was a drinker. These accusations are often repeated without proof and seem more like politically motivated slander than fact.

In contrast, there is evidence showing that figures like Egal, Abdullahi Yusuf, and Aidiid were heavy drinkers. Ironically, many of these same individuals openly branded themselves as secularists and deliberately distanced their politics from Islam. Some even sought alliances with actors known for their hostility toward Islam and Muslims, just to gain external backing.

As for the sheikhs who were executed they were put on trial, and many were found to lack even basic Islamic knowledge. One wasn't Somali and another was Ethiopian. The group itself was reportedly organized abroad and had political motivations. Their public incitement, including using the inheritance law issue as a pretext, pointed to a broader agenda that went beyond simple religious disagreement.


That said, I do agree that the government’s decision to execute them was a mistake. It gave people an emotional symbol to rally around later and allowed the incident to be used as long term propaganda against the state.


I can't see who you are responding to, but this is absolutely true. I assume a Kacaanist is trying to cover this up, as they always do. Whenever you mention anything that regime did, they run in to pretend it wasn't true.

The Kacaan regime used rape as punishment and humiliation. For example, when they were ethnically cleansing Majeerteen people, red berets were ordered to rape the girls, which forced the MJs in Mudug to hide their girls among another clan/ally at the time. This is well-known.

This is an excerpt from Abdulahi Yusuf AUN's book. General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) came to Gaalkacyo and said 'their property ....AND WOMEN and sharaftooda are Xalaal to you"... kicking off a wave of ethnic cleansing and rape.



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Pictured below; Ahmed Saleebaan Dafle, General Ahmed Saleebaan Abdalla, the former head of Somalia's National Security Service (NSS) during the Siyad Barre era. The leader of the Majeerteen ethnic cleansing campaign.


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That’s a politically motivated smear rooted in Abdullahi Yusuf’s self-serving and often dishonest narrative. His memoir is far from an objective historical record , it reads like a propaganda piece tailored to absolve himself and deflect blame onto others. It's hard to take claims like this seriously when there’s no corroborating evidence from neutral or credible sources. If such an extreme statement and public policy like declaring “Majerteen are the enemy of the revolution” had actually been made in Gaalkacyo a Majeerteen stronghold there would be far more reporting, testimonies, or documentation from others.


Let’s also not forget Abdullahi Yusuf’s own record. He was a known schemer who openly admitted to misleading foreign governments to gain support for his ambitions. In a Kenyan interview, he bragged about lying to Kenyan authorities about Somalia to get backing and claimed credit for helping Ethiopia rebound militarily in 1978 after Somalia’s Ogaden campaign basically admitting to betraying his country in favor of a historic enemy:
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This is someone who spent decades trying to whitewash his role in Somalia’s instability while painting others as villains. He had every incentive to exaggerate or fabricate accusations, especially against the Kacaan regime, which he opposed and fought militarily.

If you really want to understand what happened, look for accounts that aren’t rooted in personal grudges or revisionist politics. The truth is always more complex than what one disgraced political actor claims in a self-promoting memoir.

You can read this thread yourself it outlines how Abdullahi Yusuf lived one of the most disgraceful political lives in Somali history, marked by deception, betrayal, and opportunism:
 
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@Idilinaa I agree with everything you said about the prevalence of sexual violence in Somalia but what are your thoughts on FGM? It is still a major abuse happening even if its not unique to Somalia.
I’m not entirely sure what the current overall national prevalence rate is, but I assume the practice is now far more concentrated in rural areas than urban ones. Importantly, every regional state in Somalia has taken some legal or policy-based steps toward banning or restricting FGM some even adopting zero-tolerance policies.

For instance, in Somaliland and Puntland, rates reportedly dropped to about 25% among girls in 2013. That’s a big deal, and it reflects the positive impact of stronger education systems, urbanization, and more responsive regional governments in those areas.

I personally believe the most effective way to end FGM is through a grassroots educational and cultural shift. Back in the 1970s and 80s, the Somali Women's Democratic Organization ran a surprisingly successful national campaign against FGM backed by the government until the civil war tragically disrupted it.

But if we want a sustainable solution, we also need to confront the cultural roots of FGM:

- It’s often wrongly perceived as “Islamic,” despite having pre-Islamic (Pharaonic/pagan) origins.

- The practice is women-led, ritualized, and passed down generationally as a symbol of fertility and sign womanhood, marriage readiness etc.

- And crucially, men are often silent even if they disagree with it privately.

That silence needs to end. A study in Ethiopia’s Somali and Harari regions found that men, especially younger men, were more likely to oppose FGM and many preferred to marry uncircumcised women. That’s a major cultural leverage point.

Attitude toward female genital mutilation among Somali and Harari people, Eastern Ethiopia

The findings showed that there was a strong support for the continuation of the practice among female discussants in Somali region, whereas male discussants from the same region and the majority of the participants from Harari region had a positive attitude toward the discontinuation of the practice.
Although young men in both the regions prefer to marry uncircumcised girls,

In short, yes FGM is still a form of abuse that persists, but the tools to fight it already exist within Somali society: legal reform, cultural change, religious clarification, and men’s vocal opposition. Those just need to be mobilized more consistently.
 
That seems like fake news conspiracy theories theres pics of siad barre going to hajj I’m sure you can find it on the internet
He actually expelled most Christian missionary organizations shortly after taking power and was openly hostile to their presence.

Before his takeover in 1969, Somalia under the civilian government (1960–69) was seen as a playground for Western missionary groups, particularly Mennonites who ran schools, hospitals, and bookstores. After Barre’s military government took control, Somalia became increasingly closed off and ended all their activities.

“𝘔𝘢𝘫𝘰𝘳 𝘎𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘔𝘰𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘚𝘪𝘢𝘥 𝘉𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘴 𝘥𝘦 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘭𝘺, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺. 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘵𝘴 𝘤𝘶𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘣𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘔𝘢𝘳𝘹𝘪𝘴𝘮 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘮, 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘢 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳 𝘢 𝘧𝘳𝘦𝘦 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘮𝘪𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴. 𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘔𝘦𝘯𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘭𝘴, 𝘤𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘴, 𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭, 𝘢𝘥𝘶𝘭𝘵 𝘦𝘥𝘶𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭 𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘰𝘧 "𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘭𝘥𝘦𝘯 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴," 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘢𝘺 𝘰𝘧 1960-1969”



In contrast, it was the pre-Kacaan civilian governments that were more secular in orientation. The era from 1960 to 1969 was marked by Westernized elites, less visible religious observance, and widespread Christian NGO access. The absence of hijab and Islamic dress some people point to from early 1970s photos was actually a holdover from the previous elite urban culture, not a reflection of Barre’s ideology.

By the 1980s, modest Islamic wear and public religiosity had proliferated, due in large part to the government's promotion of Islamic education and values.

Yes Siad Barre went to Hajj, and Somalia was widely regarded as a conservative Muslim country under his rule, with mosques full during prayers and Islamic tenants/holidays were observed. The idea that he was anti-Islam or some kind of militant atheist doesn’t hold up to the available evidence.

New York Times report Oct 11 1977
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How does a horrifying threat about the rape of two little girls turn into a coping match about which warlord is a more conservative and righteous Muslim?
It started with someone making the claim that there was state sponsored sexual violence in Somalia a serious accusation that deserves scrutiny.

Then it veered into a broader attempt to frame wartime sexual violence which tragically occurs in every conflict zone worldwide as uniquely tied to a specific regime, society/culture or ideology, rather than acknowledging it as a universal byproduct of war.

From there, it spiraled into a selective history match over which warlord or leader was “more Islamic” which completely derails from the original concern, justice for victims and confronting abuse, regardless of who commits it.
 
My entire first post discussed men misusing their power to rape, so at what point have I ever denied that this could even be possible? The post I was referring to, was when it is ordered by a regime vs soldiers being demonic. During the Siad Barre regime, rape was absolutely ordered from above. TFG ordering rape? I have no evidence of that, but I will accept it if it's given. Because why would that be shocking.

Check the Human Rights Watch report (im on my phone rn i dont have the screenshots) there’s substantial evidence that the tfg and Ethiopian forces were commanded by their superiors to loot, rape literally commit every war crime you can think of. Your beloved adeer isnt all innocent after all
 
Check the Human Rights Watch report (im on my phone rn i dont have the screenshots) there’s substantial evidence that the tfg and Ethiopian forces were commanded by their superiors to loot, rape literally commit every war crime you can think of. Your beloved adeer isnt all innocent after all
There is no credible evidence that Siad Barre directly ordered or sanctioned rape as a policy of war. We need to be precise when discussing such serious crimes. Rape and other abuses can occur during wartime, but unless there’s documented evidence showing that it was state policy or ordered from the top, it should not be treated as such. Otherwise, we risk trivializing real victims and politicizing suffering.

In fact, during counterinsurgency operations, Barre was quoted calling for restraint from the army. For example:

"President Siad Barre has appointed a constitutional committee whose objective is to achieve reconciliation. Also he has instructed his army to excercize restraint towards civilians. "

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Of course, this doesn’t mean no crimes occurred war often breeds chaos and gaps in accountability. Like i explained before:

Also, I’ve pointed this out before sexual violence in armed conflict is a global pattern, not something unique to Somalia or its people. It has happened throughout history, in every region.


Look at the recent war in Ukraine:


So again, these horrors are not uniquely Somali. They are a result of lawlessness, the collapse of state institutions, and armed conflict not everyday cultural norms. Wartime sexual violence is a documented tactic of war, often used deliberately to terrorize, humiliate or displace populations. It occurs when there is a vacuum of accountability, not because the society inherently condones it.

But it's misleading to suggest every action by individual soldiers was officially sanctioned. Just as we wouldn’t blame an entire government for the actions of rogue teens or individuals as in this thread, we must apply the same logic to the military unless there is conclusive proof of top down orders.


Abuses should be investigated, perpetrators held accountable, but we must not weaponize these tragedies for political point scoring. It disrespects both truth and justice.
 
There is no credible evidence that Siad Barre directly ordered or sanctioned rape as a policy of war. We need to be precise when discussing such serious crimes. Rape and other abuses can occur during wartime, but unless there’s documented evidence showing that it was state policy or ordered from the top, it should not be treated as such. Otherwise, we risk trivializing real victims and politicizing suffering.

In fact, during counterinsurgency operations, Barre was quoted calling for restraint from the army. For example:

"President Siad Barre has appointed a constitutional committee whose objective is to achieve reconciliation. Also he has instructed his army to excercize restraint towards civilians. "

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Of course, this doesn’t mean no crimes occurred war often breeds chaos and gaps in accountability. Like i explained before:



But it's misleading to suggest every action by individual soldiers was officially sanctioned. Just as we wouldn’t blame an entire government for the actions of rogue teens or individuals as in this thread, we must apply the same logic to the military unless there is conclusive proof of top down orders.


Abuses should be investigated, perpetrators held accountable, but we must not weaponize these tragedies for political point scoring. It disrespects both truth and justice.
I think he’s talking about Abdullahi Yusuf and his ethiopian allies who invaded Somalia in 2006
 
I'm not sure any of that is true. Somalia was very much an Islamic country under his government and he facilitated the construction of mosques and supported local imams. The "scholars" he executed were also enemies.
Mashallah Amir al Mumineen defender of Socialism Sheikh Al Islam Siad Barre
 
Wow from the way they're talking it looks like they might give all these guys the death penalty to send a statement

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">President of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KhaatumoState?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#KhaatumoState</a> of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Somalia?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Somalia</a> has arrived back in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Laascaanood?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Laascaanood</a> from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Muqdisho?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Muqdisho</a>.<br><br>“This rape case is a test for our state and it will reveal whether we are a NOBLE people or a people with no integrity”<br><br>The President also apologised for the rapist that attended the exam <a href="https://t.co/Od23tOPVzf">pic.twitter.com/Od23tOPVzf</a></p>&mdash; Laascaanood (@laascaanood_) <a href="">June 19, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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