15,000 year old Moroccans seem Somali-like

[Apollo]

90% of Hausa are R1b, and they have been there for at least 10,000 years.

R1b-V88 came from Italy. Oldest pre-V88 are found on the European side of the Mediterranean.

It has nothing to do with Afro-Asiatic.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-V88/

 

[James Dahl]

That's simply not true: https://etd.uwc.ac.za/bitstream/handle/11394/5326/Cole-Showers_cl_phd_ns_2016.pdf

I was wrong on the percentage though it's 90% of haplogroup R in Nigeria are Hausa, the actual percentage is 20%. I edited my post to reflect this.

 

[Apollo]

That's simply not true: https://etd.uwc.ac.za/bitstream/handle/11394/5326/Cole-Showers_cl_phd_ns_2016.pdf

I was wrong on the percentage though it's 90% of haplogroup R in Nigeria are Hausa, the actual percentage is 20%. I edited my post to reflect this.

R1b-V88 is NOT Afro-Asiatic through descent, but only through adoption and cultural appropriation:

https://genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13059-018-1393-5

It is an Italian lineage that somehow cucked the Chad region.

 

[James Dahl]

R1b isn't Italian though, it's from the Eurasian steppes prior to entering Europe only in the last 5000 years, and is an African lineage as well.

 

[Apollo]

Yeah I know, but the variant Chadics carry originated with 100% certainty in Italy. It is not African nor Afro-Asiatic.

 

[anonimo]

Interesting, I didn't know Toubou were T

Read the journal to refresh my memory; R1b: 34%, T1a: 31%.

It is also suggested that R1b came within the last 10k years.

Read the journal for yourself, it has some interesting things to say about R1b in Africa.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5142112/#bib43

We detected the earliest Eurasian migrations to Africa in the Laal-speaking people, an isolated language group of fewer than 800 speakers who inhabit southern Chad. We estimate that mixture occurred 4,750–7,200 ya, thus after the Neolithic transition in the Near East, a period characterized by exponential growth in human population size. Environmental changes during this period (which possibly triggered the Neolithic transition) also facilitated human migrations. The African Humid Period, for example, was a humid phase across North Africa that peaked 6,000–9,000 ya37 and biogeographically connected Africa to Eurasia, facilitating human movement across these regions.38 In Chad, we found a Y chromosome lineage (R1b-V88) that we estimate emerged during the same period 5,700–7,300 ya (Figure 3B). The closest related Y chromosome groups today are widespread in Eurasia and have been previously associated with human expansions to Europe.39, 40 We estimate that the Eurasian R1b lineages initially diverged 7,300–9,400 ya, at the time of the Neolithic expansions. However, we found that the African and Eurasian R1b lineages diverged 17,900–23,000 ya, suggesting that genetic structure was already established between the groups who expanded to Europe and Africa. R1b-V88 was previously found in Central and West Africa and was associated with a mid-Holocene migration of Afro-asiatic speakers through the central Sahara into the Lake Chad Basin.8 In the populations we examined, we found R1b in the Toubou and Sara, who speak Nilo-Saharan languages, and also in the Laal people, who speak an unclassified language. This suggests that R1b penetrated Africa independently of the Afro-asiatic language spread or passed to other groups through admixture.

 

[James Dahl]

Rameses II was R1b, it's been in Africa for a very long time

 

[anonimo]

Rameses II was R1b, it's been in Africa for a very long time

When did Ramses live? Before or after 3k bc?

 

[Apollo]

Rameses II was R1b, it's been in Africa for a very long time

15,000 years ago there was zero R1b in Africa.

Afro-Asiatic developed somewhere between 20,000 to 9,000 years ago.

 

[Keo]

Noone knows with T. It's found all throughout Europe, Asia, India and Africa in very small percentages, except in Somalia where the "founder effect" produced high percentages of a very specific lineage (Dir and Isaaq).

Not all Isaaq are T

 

[James Dahl]

When did Ramses live? Before or after 3k bc?

He died 3231 years ago

 

[Apollo]

He died 3231 years ago

This is like yesterday in evolutionary and anthropological terms.

I am speaking in terms of 10,000s years.

 

[James Dahl]

This is like yesterday in evolutionary and anthropological terms.

I am speaking in terms of 10,000s years.

Yes however it's a thousand years before the Roman Empire expanded into Africa

 

[anonimo]

He died 3231 years ago

I was trolling you man.

What I was trying to say is that Ramses's existence is irrelevant in this discussion as R1b's presence in The Dark Continent precedes his reign.

It is futile to preoccupy oneself with theories when it has not been ascertained when and where the Afro-Asiatic Languages formed. Answers are not found solely in DNA studies.

 

[James Dahl]

That's my point though haha

 

[Apollo]

That's my point though haha

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/08/r1b-v88-out-of-balkans-and-into-africa.html

Read the comments, it's almost certain that Chadic R-V88 came from Iberia or Italy.

 

[James Dahl]

That's just a theory based on conjecture on the part of the author, there's no evidence. It's just as likely it spread in the opposite direction.

 

[Apollo]

That's just a theory based on conjecture on the part of the author, there's no evidence. It's just as likely it spread in the opposite direction.

Evidence is solid. Case closed.

Only J1 and T1 need to be pinpointed as to how they intruded.

 

[anonimo]

Evidence is solid. Case closed.

Only J1 and T1 need to be pinpointed as to how they intruded.

Venimus, Vidimus, Nos Vicit.

 

[Apollo]

Venimus, Vidimus, Nos Vicit.

Deport all T carriers back to Iran. It's clearly not African.