He's speak in the context of a social level in Somalia. If your Mom is Somali u are an ajnabi. You don't have a clan to identify with and thus have no support to rest on. Whether it be concerning security, financial relief or even acceptance in certain parts of the country.
I don't know about this. My mother is Ogaden and her clan is the one who helps out considering my father's from a minority clan (but related to Ogadens). Two, I've asked my father about the lineage law pertaining to half Somalis and he had never heard of it. This is why I'm loath to think this is applied offline. As well as, Somalis treat half Somalis the same. They're not treating you any different because your father is Somali. That's why I don't get some guys on here who want to use that excuse so that they can marry ajnabis. They can marry ajnabis, but their forewarned that most Somalis won't accept it.
I don't know about this. My mother is Ogaden and her clan is the one who helps out considering my father's from a minority clan (but related to the Ogaden). Two, I've asked my father about the lineage law pertaining to half Somalis and he had never heard of it. This is why I'm loath to think this is applied offline. As well as, Somalis treat half Somalis the same. They're not treating you any different because your father is Somali. That's why I don't get some guys on here who want to use that excuse so that they can marry ajnabis. They can marry ajnabis, but their forewarned that most Somalis won't accept it.
Yup, these people think half Somalis who have a Somali father are treated any better.
you can’t control your brothers and whether they marry a Somali, Ghanian or a Lebanese, those kids will be your blood and you should love them regardless.
Cope and seethe. Islam tells us the importance of one’s lineage and being honest about your lineage. It’s why people who claimed descent of a clan they didn’t belong to were ostracized from the time of the Prophet ﷺ to now. Allah ﷻ created in tribes to learn each other, who are you to claim to be from a people you aren’t?
Don’t lie about the Seerah. Bilal was very much known for his Abyssinian roots to such an extent he was called Al Habeshi and till this day people mistakenly think he is fully Ethiopian.
There is a difference between clan/linages and nationality. As Somalis we have cadcads and Bantus who are very much Somalis. Up North there are Somalis who have Indian Forefathers who live with the Habar Jeclo. The video makes it clear that conflating nationalism with your fathers lineage/tribe doesn’t make sense. Even the screenshot you posted has nothing to do with nationality. It’s about surname and lineage. No half Somali child with an ajnabi father is lying and taking on a different name ect.
The prophet was the middle man to bilals marriage. he was able to marry an Arab woman of high background because the prophet was the one who sent the offer to the family. The parents initially hesitated until the daughter heard about it and basically put her parents in there place for being racist and basically nearly putting off an offer sent by the prophet himself and so they got married. I'll get back to you with whether bilal is fully habashi or not. Lol I completely forgot about that. The prophet did the same for Usama aswell but race wasn't placed as an issue when it came to usama and the woman had many suitors and asked for the prophet's opinion which is when he presented usama as an option.
Yep, that was my point. The idea of Bilal being able to marry an Arab woman because he was Arab is a joke of point. He was able to marry her because of the Prophet s.a.w. The marriage of Fatima bin Qays and Usama bin Zayed was also due to the Prophet recommending Usama and telling Fatima she should marry him as he was the best person for her.
Bilal RA was an Arab, major scholars like Imam Al Dhahabi RA have corrected those who refer to him as Abyssinian. His father was Rabah, a member of the Banu Jumah clan, which are apart of the Qurayshi tribe.
You’ve read my source didn’t you? Lol, why would you try and use that source against me when it was I who posted it? I’m very much aware that Bilal was Arab however, it is a fact that he was also called Al Habashi and @Javelin and I were debating about if Bilal was indeed Arab or simply Abyssinian. Even then there is a differences of opinion
Even so, he was also called Al Habeshi by Muslims as well and not as a neglect but supposedly due to his mothers high status as an Abyssinian princess. Your mothers heritage isn’t erased just because you’re what your father is which is what you lot on here try to suggest.
Read what Javelin wrote. The family actually rejected his proposal and it was through the Prophet s.a.w that the marriage went though. His wife also pushed for it. The parents were in fact against it. Learn the Seerah before coming up with nonsense. Also, what Proof do you have that Bilal was Quraishi? He was brought up in that tribe, but not a member of that said tribe. He was their slave. Bilal’s father was an Arab slave and society in those days wasn’t just race based. Being of a slave background was seen as impediment Arab or not.
Lineage is based on your family name. Example, it is haram in Islam for you to say that you’re name is Muhammad Khalid, if your father was in fact called Abdallah. However, it has nothing to do with nationality. Even In places like Saudi and other Khaleeji countries, you have people of Bloushi, Iranian ect origins who are seen as Saudi, Omani ect due to being there for a long time. Nationality is different and there is nothing wrong with a child of a Somali woman acknowledging his Somali blood. The cadcad community range from 20-60% Somali maternally.
My sister in Islam don’t insult my intelligence, I’ve always known Bilal and his father belonged to the Banu Jumah.
I spoke about why the non-Muslims referred to him as Habashi, the Muslims gave him that nickname from a place of love. Like when Prophet Muhammad ﷺ named Ali RA “Abu Turab” or “father of the soil” when he found him asleep near the pillar of the masjid where some earth was.
Alhamdullilah I’m familiar with what brother Javelin shared. I’m familiar with the Seerah and had good teachers. Him being Banu Jumah is common knowledge and shared by scholars I admire. I do agree being a slave was and is an impediment but Islam enabled slaves to rise above nobility, alhamdullilah.
I never said it has anything to do with nationality. Somalia isn’t even 100 years old, there are dozens of groups who aren't ethnically Somali but are citizens of Somalia and stakeholders in that country. I only focus on the ethnic group called Somalis. You’re right, after a certain amount of time in a land you can be considered one of them even if your lineage differs from the ones native to that land. Example, Salahuddin Ayyubi RA was a Kurdish man but embraced and viewed as an Arab by us all. Does this take away from the fact that he was a Kurdish man and hero? No.
Listen negro stop pulling up my old troll comments and worry about taking your gf to the gym to build her nonexistent ass. Or are you one of those nacases that “break up” with their gf during ramadan?
Ibn Taymiyah was named after a woman too.
So He’s saying Yusuf can’t call himself Mohamed at all if that isn’t his name.
emotional damage
