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Abiy built a new Ethiopian Navy HQ

Lmao do you even know the difference between a coast guard and a navy, this is literally like comparing the police to the army

They both serve the same function and work with eachother. The difference is Navy is connected to the Army and the Coast Guards are connected to the Police .

Ethiopia has a coast guard and they are going to become just another landlocked country with a naval and marine force, maybe it will be useful in patrolling their rivers just like the rest of them:
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Yeah you dont know what youre talking about
A navy is meant to defend and possibly engage in naval engagements. For Somalia, the emphasis will always be on defence only, so only defending their waters and enforcing the law. In this instance, the coast guard or navy both serve the same purpose. You can't compare to other well off countries.
 
A navy is meant to defend and possibly engage in naval engagements. For Somalia, the emphasis will always be on defence only, so only defending their waters and enforcing the law. In this instance, the coast guard or navy both serve the same purpose. You can't compare to other well off countries.
If FGS had a navy it would solve many sovereignty problems starting with Puntland so they would defenetly have to do some offence in their own waters, it cant even be remotely compared to a coast guard, in fact fgs barely have a coast guard PL and SL have better equipped and more functional coast guards



It doesnt matter anyways its only a matter of time before they get a navy cause Turkey agreed to completely rebuild their navy and build a navy HQ, the Navy commander of FGS went to Turkey and placed orders

Btw both SL and PL were against Turkey building up FGS a Navy cause they know someday FGS will have the authority to blockade their ports, since both SL and PL rely on port revenues this will be very big for FGS

To make things clear Im not against it, its a very good thing considering shabab get their weapons by sea and all the ajnabi ships who deplete the waters unpunished
 

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why invade fully militarized country like eritrea when there dying animal right beside you, aka somaliland or somalia
 
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why invade fully armed country like eritrea when there dying animal right beside you, aka somaliland or somalia
Its not 1982 anymore, invading Somalia is diplomatic suicide FGS has too many connections with the west and other countries worldwide, Al Shabaab also makes it impossible, Somaliland would definitely also not fall easily, Djibouti is protected by the whole world due to its military bases, safest bet for them is southern Eritrea, its the only part of the afar depression that has a paved road into Eritrea and abiy renovated the road in 2021, he also wouldnt have to fight on two fronts against the EDF if he invades there

Also Abiy has good relations with PL and SL so why would he ruin that by invading

Jubaland under madoobe is possible that they get a dekad, madoobe hates fgs and has a strong alliance with abiy, but Shabaab would still makes it impossible once again

Realistically, Ethiopia cannot invade a united Somalia even if the country is very poor, in 1964 Haile Selassie tried invading right after independence when Somalia barely had an army and he still lost

It was always like that throughout history even though Somalis are way smaller in number, when faced under a common threat they become more united, while for Ethiopia most soldiers didn't even speak the same language, the outcome just makes sense

Also dont forget 2006, without US guidance Ethiopia literally wouldnt have made it past Gedo, the ICU was really beating them bad only advantage Ethiopians had were tanks and the ICU didnt have enough RPGs and bombs to destroy them, ICU also pulled out many times to avoid destroying Somali cities due to heavy US bombing and Ethiopian artillery fire

Best Ethiopia can do in Somalia is destabilize and make the government weak/subservient like they've always done with TNG and TFG, but they can never invade or annex it, they got Ogaden through a treaty btw they didnt even fight for it
 

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Anti Qabilist - Somali Patriot
Over 25 million people are in need of food aid, their economy is in tatters, and this muppet is spending a fortune on a navy HQ, with no sea access. The jokes write themselves !
 
Over 25 million people are in need of food aid, their economy is in tatters, and this muppet is spending a fortune on a navy HQ, with no sea access. The jokes write themselves !
Lmao he just announced a new billion $ skyscraper in the middle of addis, they already have a contractor and apparently it will be the tallest in ssa

Hes planning on making it taler than the tallest currently in the country
 
Abiy must really be confident that Ethiopia will be getting coastline since otherwise this is a massive waste of money. Who ever heard of a landlocked country building a navy HQ? They are the African Bolivia at this point.
 
Its not 1982 anymore, invading Somalia is diplomatic suicide FGS has too many connections with the west and other countries worldwide, Al Shabaab also makes it impossible, Somaliland would definitely also not fall easily, Djibouti is protected by the whole world due to its military bases, safest bet for them is southern Eritrea, its the only part of the afar depression that has a paved road into Eritrea and abiy renovated the road in 2021, he also wouldnt have to fight on two fronts against the EDF if he invades there

Also Abiy has good relations with PL and SL so why would he ruin that by invading

Jubaland under madoobe is possible that they get a dekad, madoobe hates fgs and has a strong alliance with abiy, but Shabaab would still makes it impossible once again

Realistically, Ethiopia cannot invade a united Somalia even if the country is very poor, in 1964 Haile Selassie tried invading right after independence when Somalia barely had an army and he still lost

It was always like that throughout history even though Somalis are way smaller in number, when faced under a common threat they become more united, while for Ethiopia most soldiers didn't even speak the same language, the outcome just makes sense

Also dont forget 2006, without US guidance Ethiopia literally wouldnt have made it past Gedo, the ICU was really beating them bad only advantage Ethiopians had were tanks and the ICU didnt have enough RPGs and bombs to destroy them, ICU also pulled out many times to avoid destroying Somali cities due to heavy US bombing and Ethiopian artillery fire

Best Ethiopia can do in Somalia is destabilize and make the government weak/subservient like they've always done with TNG and TFG, but they can never invade or annex it, they got Ogaden through a treaty btw they didnt even fight for it
Yeah America's anti-Islamic crusade under Bush during the 2000s really helped TPLF and Zenawi do what they did. Unfortunately Somalia is still suffering from the consequences but hopefully the new economic developments will improve security and political tensions.
 
While I understand the logic behind why abiy would want a port i think he doesn't realize even if he acquires it it'll be of limited impact. Ive mentioned this before but ethiopia is in a very real sense cursed by its geography. Its a country with a vast pool of cheap labor. But this is ultimately limited by the fact that's its a huge mountainous county. In basically every country in the world the mountainous regions are the poorest parts of those countries and the common solution is too have people leave those regions and find work elsewhere.

One example of the difficulties ethiopia will face is now that they have constructed the GERD dam how will rhey get this power to the people? The answer is they won't because it woul required billions to be invested in power distribution infrastructure amd thats without even taking into account the lack of safety to build such infrastructure.
 
While I understand the logic behind why abiy would want a port i think he doesn't realize even if he acquires it it'll be of limited impact. Ive mentioned this before but ethiopia is in a very real sense cursed by its geography. Its a country with a vast pool of cheap labor. But this is ultimately limited by the fact that's its a huge mountainous county. In basically every country in the world the mountainous regions are the poorest parts of those countries and the common solution is too have people leave those regions and find work elsewhere.

One example of the difficulties ethiopia will face is now that they have constructed the GERD dam how will rhey get this power to the people? The answer is they won't because it woul required billions to be invested in power distribution infrastructure amd thats without even taking into account the lack of safety to build such infrastructure.
Abiy and the wider Ethiopian government lives off promising THIS will solve all their problems.

It was the GERD dam which would transform Ethiopia into a regional power, but watch that slowly fades from the narrative as the infrastructure realities you mentioned become undeniable. Now it’s a port, a naval one at that :umwhat:

They’ll keep cycling through these grand narratives forever. “we just need this ONE more thing to unlock Ethiopia’s potential”. It’s misdirection of promise the people that the next big project will fix everything, so they don’t ask why the last five ‘transformative’ projects didn’t deliver what they said.

Even if they get asseb n berbera it will never be enough
 
Yeah America's anti-Islamic crusade under Bush during the 2000s really helped TPLF and Zenawi do what they did. Unfortunately Somalia is still suffering from the consequences but hopefully the new economic developments will improve security and political tensions.
Economic developments dont fix a government
 
While I understand the logic behind why abiy would want a port i think he doesn't realize even if he acquires it it'll be of limited impact. Ive mentioned this before but ethiopia is in a very real sense cursed by its geography. Its a country with a vast pool of cheap labor. But this is ultimately limited by the fact that's its a huge mountainous county. In basically every country in the world the mountainous regions are the poorest parts of those countries and the common solution is too have people leave those regions and find work elsewhere.

One example of the difficulties ethiopia will face is now that they have constructed the GERD dam how will rhey get this power to the people? The answer is they won't because it woul required billions to be invested in power distribution infrastructure amd thats without even taking into account the lack of safety to build such infrastructure.
But abiy doesnt care about the the remote regions of the country, its not like gumuz could even rebel against him cause they are dependent on addis ababa, all he cares about is the capital and the northern regions, and somali region ofc but nothing happens there and theyre probably the most independent in ethiopia
 
While I understand the logic behind why abiy would want a port i think he doesn't realize even if he acquires it it'll be of limited impact. Ive mentioned this before but ethiopia is in a very real sense cursed by its geography. Its a country with a vast pool of cheap labor. But this is ultimately limited by the fact that's its a huge mountainous county. In basically every country in the world the mountainous regions are the poorest parts of those countries and the common solution is too have people leave those regions and find work elsewhere.

One example of the difficulties ethiopia will face is now that they have constructed the GERD dam how will rhey get this power to the people? The answer is they won't because it woul required billions to be invested in power distribution infrastructure amd thats without even taking into account the lack of safety to build such infrastructure.

Their mountainous regions are a major reason Ethiopia struggles with transportation, whereas Somalia is essentially a logistics hub. It’s much easier to set up infrastructure like telecom networks, power lines, and cell towers across Somalia.

It also explains why Somalia is 64% urbanized, spread across 30 cities and 115 towns, while Ethiopia remains largely rural and bottlenecked through Addis Ababa. Trade and movement between regions and communities naturally drive urbanization.

I’m actually surprised by how clued in some Ethiopians are about their own situation. Some stuff @Barkhadle1520 showed me,
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A car that should be worth $40–50,000 brand new costs over $80,000 when imported into Ethiopia:

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Look at this: Ethiopians clearly understand that supporting SMEs is key for economic development, but high transport and import costs stunt business growth:
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So quite literally, their geography isolates them from global trade.

Somalis, on the other hand, can look at what’s laid out in this thread from page 5 onward to see how our geography is a blessing:

Something else I mentioned elsewhere
Somali regions will never face the kind of foreign exchange reserve shortages that other countries struggle with Ethiopia has it the worst. Why? simply because we have so much coming in through trade and transnational business networks that provide a continuous supply of foreign currency and dollars.
When the Central Bank of Somalia reintroduces the Somali shilling, it will be naturally stabilized by this steady inflow of foreign currency from our global business networks. The backing of strong forex inflows will stabilize its exchange rate, build trust in the new currency, prevent inflation from currency shortages or black market pressure. This is how Singapore and UAE supported their currency early on with steady dollar inflows from their trade based economies.
 
Economic developments dont fix a government

Economic development won’t automatically fix a government, but it improves governance by expanding the fiscal pool and increasing stability, giving the government more resources and legitimacy to function effectively.
 
Abiy and the wider Ethiopian government lives off promising THIS will solve all their problems.

It was the GERD dam which would transform Ethiopia into a regional power, but watch that slowly fades from the narrative as the infrastructure realities you mentioned become undeniable. Now it’s a port, a naval one at that :umwhat:

They’ll keep cycling through these grand narratives forever. “we just need this ONE more thing to unlock Ethiopia’s potential”. It’s misdirection of promise the people that the next big project will fix everything, so they don’t ask why the last five ‘transformative’ projects didn’t deliver what they said.

Even if they get asseb n berbera it will never be enough

I figure their governments often use grand narratives to maintain legitimacy and manage expectation.

Because every admin recycles the same political narrative around flagship projects without any learning or structural change.
 
But abiy doesnt care about the the remote regions of the country, its not like gumuz could even rebel against him cause they are dependent on addis ababa, all he cares about is the capital and the northern regions, and somali region ofc but nothing happens there and theyre probably the most independent in ethiopia
Im talking about the northern regions as well. In fact im pretty sure the northern regions are the most mountainous part of the country.
 
Their mountainous regions are a major reason Ethiopia struggles with transportation, whereas Somalia is essentially a logistics hub. It’s much easier to set up infrastructure like telecom networks, power lines, and cell towers across Somalia.

It also explains why Somalia is 64% urbanized, spread across 30 cities and 115 towns, while Ethiopia remains largely rural and bottlenecked through Addis Ababa. Trade and movement between regions and communities naturally drive urbanization.

I’m actually surprised by how clued in some Ethiopians are about their own situation. Some stuff @Barkhadle1520 showed me,
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A car that should be worth $40–50,000 brand new costs over $80,000 when imported into Ethiopia:

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Look at this: Ethiopians clearly understand that supporting SMEs is key for economic development, but high transport and import costs stunt business growth:
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So quite literally, their geography isolates them from global trade.

Somalis, on the other hand, can look at what’s laid out in this thread from page 5 onward to see how our geography is a blessing:

Something else I mentioned elsewhere
But we also have a big problem, our lands are very large, it would cost more than 20 billions to connect the whole country with highways like the one between xamar and afgoye, and the governments barely has 100 million for all expenses

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Economic development won’t automatically fix a government, but it improves governance by expanding the fiscal pool and increasing stability, giving the government more resources and legitimacy to function effectively.
Exactly everything is honestly downstream of economic development. If people see the economy is growing and their lives are improving then poor governance is something people can ignore. Also economic growth like you state will male the govt better anyway since it'll increase state capacity.
 

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