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Im not too worried about this honestly since no part of the country is more than like 200 miles from the coast. We can just focus on slowly improving the roads and maybe connecting a few of the biggest cities with trains and railroads.
The fact that land is so flat in somalia and no part of the country is far from a port I think will dramatically reduce costs
I've head that the regional presidents of these regions spend all their time in addis ababa and cant even drive to their regions and instead have to arrive by plane in their respective capitals
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I mean thats kinda what happens for us as well, for them its worse cause on top of the distance and poor quality of roads, you got terrain that makes the travel even more lenghty, domestic aviation is really the future of the HOA, even if you build billion $ highways its going to be more efficient to fly from certain places
Yeah we won't be able to do the massive stuff your talking about. But I think if we just have a couple roads built that expand the current road system that connects the major cities then we'll get the most bang out of our buck.
I mean for us thats only really true for hsm, the jubbaldn president and hirshabelle and even then alshabab is a single organized group. Compare this with groups like fano which are made up of like several or maybe even dozens of groups who dont take orders from anybody.
The fact that you consider it as something massive confirms my point, the expectations are very low
Do you realize how bad this is, the whole of Jubaland is completely cut of from the country as well as southern banadir and koonfur galbeed, all of eastern galmudug and puntland are also cut off, and one of the most important routes djibouti to borama is also unpaved, believe it or not Sanaag doesnt have a single paved road, go on google maps and zoom in on las qoray and badhan
Here is a drawing, I added whats missing
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There are already major road networks linking Somalia’s various regions and towns, which makes it much easier for people and goods to move around.
Somalia has a road network of about 22,000–25,000 km that extends across the entire country. Ethiopia has about 120,000–130,000 km of roads, but these are radially concentrated around Addis Ababa. Most rural areas and regions outside Addis lack reliable connections.
Somalia’s roads are more efficient and evenly spread out because they run mostly across flat plains, so they directly link population centers, cities, and ports.
By contrast, Ethiopia’s mountainous terrain makes road construction and maintenance far more expensive and also slows down transport between regions.
It would likely cost around $6–10 billion to pave Somalia’s entire road network. This is relatively affordable thanks to the flat terrain and could realistically be financed through a mix of government budgets, public-private partnerships, and infrastructure investment funds.
In Ethiopia’s case, paving their entire network would cost $100 billion or more, which shows how expensive road development becomes in mountainous terrain.
Primary roads (red) – main national highways linking major cities (e.g. Bosaso–Garowe–Galkayo corridor).
Secondary roads (blue) – regional roads connecting smaller towns.
Tertiary roads (black) – local roads linking villages and rural areas.
While this map is the only official illustrative source I have, similar patterns likely exist in other Somali regions, particularly for secondary and tertiary roads.
Even though Somalia’s total network is smaller than Ethiopia’s, it is more evenly spread out across population centers . The flat gently rolling terrain allows straighter, cheaper roads, reducing both construction and maintenance costs. That's why it's smaller because it allows for straighter routes, they can effectively roads can efficiently connect multiple population centers without huge engineering challenges.
In contrast, Ethiopia’s network is more radial from Addis Ababa, with many rural areas still disconnected and costs much higher due to mountainous geography. Because it requires winding roads, bridges, and tunnels, and slows expansion. That's why many rural areas remain disconnected because building there is technically difficult and expensive.
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When the economy grows, the government collects more taxes and can fund better institutions, infrastructure, and public services. It's like you said as well Citizens often tolerate imperfect governance if they see tangible economic progress in their daily lives (jobs, income, stability).
It becomes a feedback loop since growth reduces poverty and unemployment, which lowers unrest and makes governing easier and that stability in turn attracts more investment.
But the caveat is that economic growth alone is not enough if the corruption stays high or institutions stay weak, growth can stall. Good governance and development should reinforce each-other.
Good governance supports growth, and growth gives resources to improve governance , they are mutually reinforcing rather than one simply following the other.
This isnt a map of paved roads but just roads
This is the Las Qoray road on google maps, its not paved
Also you need to redo your calculations cause if the total cost to pave 22000 kms is 10 billions thats $454,545 per km which is just absurd and not true
1.5 million per km is the minimum, and for small rural roads maybe 1 million per km
This means it would take 40-50 billion USD to pave these roads, so my calculation of 5-10 billion per state is correct
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The map i showed is map of paved and unpaved roads. I am showing there is a road network runs across connecting places and how they are spread out.
Most of Somalia’s terrain is flat or gently sloping, which dramatically reduces earthwork costs (cutting, grading, bridges, tunnels). No mountains means no expensive blasting or heavy retaining structures.
Then the labour costs wont be that much either, so basic asphalt roads can be built for far less than $700k/km in this kind of context.
Also roads standards initially can be modest. Somalia may not need full high-speed multi-lane highways right away , at least not until a couple of years down the line. All-weather 2-lane bitumen roads are sufficient for most domestic logistics.
These can be built for $250k–$500k/km in similar African environments (e.g. Kenya, Tanzania rural road projects).
Every regional member state except for Somaliland agreed a Tax-Revenue frame work that the new National Revenue Authority has planned to implement. With Somaliland since the major businesses and banks there also operate in Mogadishu and other parts of Somalia so they will comply to the tax in their area of operations.
This is where we disagree, unless you can show me a single road in somalia today that cheap, even puntland somaliland dont build that cheap, unless its adoons and dameer doing the labour good luck with those numbers
Do they mention mobile money with the NRA ? I havent seen this before is it in the NTP ?
Puntland and Jubaland didnt agree and Somaliland put their own 5% a few months ago on Zaad
Im not even sure if Galmudug HS and Koonfur galbeed agreed yet
How much do you think 1km road would cost? because i see different amounts posted online
They paved a 10Km bitumen road for 1.547.000 USD.
Xaarxaar-Burtinle Road construction Project - PHA
Description of the Project Name of the Project : Burtinle-Xaarxaar Road Construction Region : Nugal-Puntland-Somlaia Length: 10kmCost of the Project : $1,547,500Contractor Company: Isxil-qaanProgress : %53.3
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This is why i suspect for most roads 1-2 lane unless they pass through mountainous areas they will be cheap.
It says street road, its the poor quality street roads they pave like in most hargeisa streets
Lmfao have you see how that shit looks ?They paved a 10Km bitumen road for 1.547.000 USD.
Xaarxaar-Burtinle Road construction Project - PHA
Description of the Project Name of the Project : Burtinle-Xaarxaar Road Construction Region : Nugal-Puntland-Somlaia Length: 10kmCost of the Project : $1,547,500Contractor Company: Isxil-qaanProgress : %53.3
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This is why i suspect for most roads 1-2 lane unless they pass through mountainous areas they will be cheap.
It's in the NTP i shared it in the GDP thread. It says they all agreed on how to split the revenue and how much each member state would pay into national tax.
I skimmed through it again and i don't think it mentions Mobile money tax directly. I think they all are starting off with it locally and then scaling in nationally later, that's what i'm assuming
They make the distinction between high volume or low volume, meaning how much traffic they carry. Its the city roads they called low volume, the high volume are like the highways.
It's bitumen not asphalt concrete or tarmac. You see the black thing? Thats what that is
A better look, but its used as a surface dressing on top of paved roads/worned down roads or bitumen is mixed with aggregates (stones and sand) to make asphalt concrete. These asphalt layers form the actual pavement structure of the road. This is used when building new bituminous roads from the ground up.
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