Why i consider Galkacyo the best place to be the Somali Capital?

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Cawlyahan/MZ Pres.
Marexaan VP
Ogaden Governors in LJ and MJ
MX Governor of Gedo
Harti Mayorship in Kismayo

Once the political infrastructure is more sound and state presidential powers are weakened we can assess Marexaans position in Jubbaland.

Currently Mx cant be trusted in the rotation because they are in essence Hawiye and JLs presidency controls far too much opposed to Hirshabelle where Guudlaawe has little to do with Hiiraan for example.

The same people who made that map later made a census.

Nobody asked you to trust us, the only thing I agree with you is keeping Hutus out of JL affairs, I detest Alshabab, Hutu more than the Kikuyu, to be honest the Kikuyu I would work with if they brought a fair deal to the table, not extortionist deals.

But alas that isn't what Madoobe is doing, he is in bed with Hutus, he was former Alshabab and he is selling everything even his soul to Kikuyu.

 

[Chase]

If it was up to me, I'd kick all of you out of Gaalkacyo, Gaalkayo belongs to Cumar Maxamuud, curse the oday who invited you, AY (AUN) made a huge mistake, should've pushed you out of Mudug a long time ago.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

If it was up to me, I'd kick all of you out of Gaalkacyo, Gaalkayo belongs to Cumar Maxamuud, curse the oday who invited you, AY (AUN) made a huge mistake, should've pushed you out of Mudug a long time ago.

Shut up sheegad, we know you're Marehan.

 

[Dima&Damo]

Shut up sheegad, we know you're Marehan.

Bro you calling everyone sheegad

 

[World]

I haven’t bothered to educate myself in any affairs regarding non Hutus. However what you just explained to me sounds like an L. How were you guys disunited at such a time? Point is whether barre hiraale used you guys against each other or not, it worked because barre hiraale, a MX man, ruled kismaayo for a long time and I always see MX claiming Kismaayo. They will most likely attack the city post AS/KDF. Not something I wish for but it is most likely. They will probably be unsuccessful considering Madoobe arming his clan to the teeth but it is a potential reality to consider. Mind you I’m indifferent or maybe leading towards being on Ogaden side with this matter

I don’t think they will be unsuccessful considering the fact Madoobe only took control of Kismayo through Al Shabab/ICU backing, and is now holding it through Kenyan backing. They won’t be able to hold it when they have nobody backing them anymore. Though marehan shouldnt retaliate when they recapture kismayo. They should just let the past be the past and focus on reconciliation. Marehan President and Cawlihaan VP.

 

[Midwestern]

Bro you calling everyone sheegad

It’s so easy to spot a sheegat. Sheegat detectors are beeping so we have to move you a side as well lol.

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

It’s so easy to spot a sheegat. Sheegat detectors are beeping so we have to move you a side as well lol.

Good guess, Neero is Isaaq.

 

[Dima&Damo]

It’s so easy to spot a sheegat. Sheegat detectors are beeping so we have to move you a side as well lol.

Nah i'm mj on both sides

 

[Dima&Damo]

Good guess, Neero is Isaaq.

Tell me how i'm isaaq

 

[𐒁𐒚𐒒𐒂𐒘𐒂𐒗 𐒎𐒚𐒗𐒗𐒒]

I don’t think they will be unsuccessful considering the fact Madoobe only took control of Kismayo through Al Shabab/ICU backing, and is now holding it through Kenyan backing. They won’t be able to hold it when they have nobody backing them anymore. Though marehan shouldnt retaliate when they recapture kismayo. They should just let the past be the past and focus on reconciliation. Marehan President and Cawlihaan VP.

You claim to be Harti but you want Marehan thieves to attack Kismaayo, a city they have no legal or historic claim to, where your own people live?
The same Marehan that robbed and raped Harti ( yes, that includes Dhulbahante) and disrespected the Dhulbahante Suldaan of Harti? That's very interesting.

Who do you think they will fight to capture Kismaayo? Jinni? Yaab anaga aragnay!

@DalsanJubiland, tell them what happened to Dhulbahante in Kismaayo when JVA was there.

 

[Chase]

I don’t think they will be unsuccessful considering the fact Madoobe only took control of Kismayo through Al Shabab/ICU backing, and is now holding it through Kenyan backing. They won’t be able to hold it when they have nobody backing them anymore. Though marehan shouldnt retaliate when they recapture kismayo. They should just let the past be the past and focus on reconciliation. Marehan President and Cawlihaan VP.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Marexaan are so "langaab", why do MJ/OG need to form an alliance to counter them? The whole thing is baffling to me.

 

[Thebluesomali]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Marexaan are so "langaab", why do MJ/OG need to form an alliance to counter them? The whole thing is baffling to me.

Beep beep MX detected.

 

[Chase]

Lol, I can just imagine you all in your little group chat DMS, lmaooo

 

[Thebluesomali]

Lol, I can just imagine you all in your little group chat DMS, lmaooo

What are you even talking about? Firstly, you said Kismayo is a city that belongs to MX and OG, and said Harti is a non factor. Then you start defending MX and implying that MJ and OG must rely on each other as if MX is too powerful. You are a weird individual, possibly lying about your origins.

 

[World]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if Marexaan are so "langaab", why do MJ/OG need to form an alliance to counter them? The whole thing is baffling to me.

i don’t think mj and og have an alliance they don’t border each other. madoobe didn’t support deni to run for president.

 

[Chase]

What are you even talking about? Firstly, you said Kismayo is a city that belongs to MX and OG, and said Harti is a non factor. Then you start defending MX and implying that MJ and OG must rely on each other as if MX is too powerful. You are a weird individual, possibly lying about your origins.

If I'm lying then may Allah burn my mother and her kin in the afterlife, if not, then may the same happen to you.

Fair?

 

[Chase]

i don’t think mj and og have an alliance they don’t border each other. madoobe didn’t support deni to run for president.

The alliance is called "Kabalax" aka Harti/Absame, it was formed after the boons went ape in Kismayo under the short lived reign of that idiot Hiraale.

 

[Thebluesomali]

If I'm lying then may Allah burn my mother and her kin in the afterlife, if not, then may the same happen to you.

Fair?

Astaghfirullah, you are severely sick in the head.

 

[Prince of HS]

If I'm lying then may Allah burn my mother and her kin in the afterlife, if not, then may the same happen to you.

Fair?

Don’t have to go this far sxb. If random people online don’t believe who you are doesn’t mean anything. As long as your certified in the real world, khalas.

 

[World]

You claim to be Harti but you want Marehan thieves to attack Kismaayo, a city they have no legal or historic claim to, where your own people live?
The same Marehan that robbed and raped Harti ( yes, that includes Dhulbahante) and disrespected the Dhulbahante Suldaan of Harti? That's very interesting.

Who do you think they will fight to capture Kismaayo? Jinni? Yaab anaga aragnay!

@DalsanJubiland, tell them what happened to Dhulbahante in Kismaayo when JVA was there.

WITNESSES REPORT A SOMALI MASSACRE BEFORE U.S. ARRIVAL

By Jane Perlez

Dec. 29, 1992


More than 100 religious leaders and business executives, a doctor and other prominent residents of this port city were hunted door to door and killed in three nights of terror that began on the eve of the American landing in Mogadishu, Somali witnesses and United States diplomats say.


The killings were directed by the clan leader who controls Kismayu in a move to eliminate educated Somalis who might support the Americans, United States officials in Somalia said in interviews over the past two days. All the victims were Harti, who have deep roots here and say they regard other clans as occupiers.


The clan leader was identified as Col. Omar Jess, a member of the Ogadeni clan, who seized control of the city in May. Recent public statements by him seem to support the assessment of the United States officials, who are directing more than 20,000 troops in securing relief supplies for this famine- and war-wracked country. The Night the Trucks Rolled

The night the killings began, trucks roared through town and wild gunshots could be heard as Harti were pulled from their homes and killed on the edge of the town, Somali witnesses said.

Grim details of what happened in the killing spree were pieced together from Somalis who escaped or who hid Harti, and from Western relief workers whose agencies have tried to protect Harti employees.

Many Somalis interviewed in the last two days said they wanted the story to get out but, fearful of retribution, they insisted on anonymity.

One survivor, a man in his 20's, said he was blindfolded with five others after loyalists to Colonel Jess broke into his house at 3 A.M. on Dec. 9. He said the women in the house were beaten with guns and the men were driven in a "technical" -- a souped-up jeep with weapons mounted on it -- to the beach.

The four Harti in the group were lined up and shot without questions, the survivor said in an interview here. The survivor and another man pleaded with the gunmen that they were not Hartis, and the killers took them to a Jess encampment until morning, then released them. A Surgeon Is Shot

One of the five Somali doctors at the Kismayu hospital, Mohammed Musa Sugule, a Harti, was shot in front of his wife and children, according to several Somalis and to an account given to Reginald Moreels, the president of the medical agency Doctors Without Borders.

Dr. Moreels, who arrived in Kismayu on Dec. 12, said he was told by a doctor at the hospital that Dr. Sugule, a well-known surgeon, left work one evening and joined his family in a place where there was "quarreling" with Jess fighters. Dr. Sugule was shot in the head, Dr. Moreels said.

"In the whole week after my arrival, there was a lot of clannic cleaning," Dr. Moreels said in an interview from Brussels. "I was struck by the hate among the people. A lot of people were shot to be killed -- they were shot in the head, the thorax, the abdomen. In war there are two types of injuries: to the limbs to handicap or, as in this case, to kill." A Confusion of U.S. Goals




In the late afternoon before the Americans landed on the beach of Mogadishu, Colonel Jess called a rally in Kismayu and said the town had to be "cleared" of people who would cause problems, a member of his central committee said in an interview. The committee is a 74-member Ogadeni group, the Somali Patrotic Movement.

This was the go-ahead for the killings, the committee member said, adding that it was "obvious" that Colonel Jess's main ally, General Aidid, was in collusion. General Aidid visited Kismayu briefly on Dec. 6, two days before the start of the killings. A Warning From the U.S.

Mr. Oakley, the Presidential envoy, said in an interview Saturday that he believed "over 100" people were killed in the clan purge. Mr. Oakley said he had told the Colonel that "we knew exactly what went on and we won't forget it."

The envoy, who visited each Somali town ahead of the troops to explain their role to local leaders, suggested that Washington's possible response to the killings was limited. He said the Security Council resolution authorizing military intervention in Somalia made no provisions for trying suspects charged with war crimes.

"The legal situation is very clear," Mr. Oakley said. "We are not an occupying power. We have no power of arrest. There is nothing in the Security Council resolution about war crimes, as there is with Bosnia."

A Western diplomat acknowledged that by dealing with local leaders like Colonel Jess, the foreign forces ran the risk of giving them legitimacy. "Kismayu is a political problem, not a humanitarian problem," the diplomat said. An Attempt at Isolation


Instead of taking direct action against Colonel Jess, Mr. Oakley said, attempts would be made to isolate him by encouraging traditional leaders to take part in new town committees. The American troops, joined by Belgians here, made their first moves against Colonel Jess today by surrounding a compound where he keeps a number of armed vehicles, with the apparent intention of confiscating them.

Kismayu, which has a reputation in Somalia as a particularly vicious and volatile town, has been battered by waves of occupying armies over the past two years of Somalia's civil war. But the killings in early December were the most systematic and brutal, Somalis witnesses said.

Dr. Moreels, of Doctors Without Borders, who stayed in Kismayu until Dec. 22, said he worked on "hundreds of war wounded" in the time he was there.

On his arrival, Dr. Moreels said, he went to see Colonel Jess to seek a guarantee that all the people, no matter what clan, would have access to the hospital. Many Harti, he said, were afraid to come to the hospital and Harti staff members were too scared to leave the hospital grounds, he said. 'Just a Little Problem'

"Jess said it was just a little problem one night and things would go better," Dr. Moreels said. "It was a complete lie because all the nights there were clannic cleanings."

One of the most prominent people killed was Ali Warabe, a Harti elder, several Somalis said. His body, stripped of his expensive sarong, was found with nine others at Gobuen, 10 miles north of the city, according to a Somali friend. Among others in the group, all blindfolded, were Mohammed Abdi Hersi and Gura Hadji, two senior members of the clan.

Aid workers said they knew of one Harti man who had lost 17 members of his family in the purge.

For the Harti who escaped, daily life became a torment of fear.


A young educated Harti who supervises a center for an international aid agency in Kismayu said he was grabbed on Dec. 14 at the center and surrounded by five armed Ogadeni men who said they wanted to kill him.

"They shouted at me: 'How can a Harti man work in a place occupied by the Somali National Alliance, especially in such a post,' " the young man recalled, a references to the group formed by Colonel Jess and General Aidid.

He was saved, the young man said, by sympathetic workers at the center who outmaneuvered the attackers. A Smooth Character

The killings in Kismayu did not seem out of character for Colonel Jess, both Americans and Somalis said. He is described as showing a smooth veneer and being practiced at a vocabulary that he thinks will impress Westerners; his public speech to Mr. Oakley on Dec. 19 was full of references to the emerging democracy in Somalia.

But, above all, he is known as a ruthless military man.

He was also a close colleague of Gen. Mohammed Said Hersi Morgan, the son-in-law of the ousted President, Mohammed Siad Barre, when General Morgan masterminded a war in 1988 against the Isaak clan in the northeastern city of Hargeisa.

Colonel Jess attended medical school in Italy, the former colonial power of the southern part of Somalia, but never finished, a colleague said. He received his military training in the former Soviet Union.

A member of Colonel Jess's alliance said that three days after the killings began, a senior member of the central committee, Ali Haidar Ismael, criticized the colonel in public and called him a "criminal."

The committee member said the colonel replied that he was not a criminal, and that the actions were the recommendation of the alliance's "security committee" as "necessary for the security of the country."

WITNESSES REPORT A SOMALI MASSACRE BEFORE U.S. ARRIVAL (Published 1992)

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