What ethnicity was Ahmed Gurey?
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Marshall D Abdi
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He was born in saylac and member of walashma dynasty like the saint yusuf al kowneyn who made maldives and some parts of sri lanka muslim
What more proof u need?
What more proof u need?
There isn’t any definite proof that he was Somali, he was a local from the horn however his ethnicity is unknown. Most historians think he was likely Somali due to his close relations with them, some historians think he was another ethnicity such as Harla or a Habesha Muslim but there isn’t definite proof, Allah knows best. Whatever he was, he was a great man who defended Islam in the horn and weakened the enemy, May Allah grant this great Imam the highest level of paradise.
May Allah give him paradise.
Ethiopians are the ones claiming he isn’t somali so idk
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@xabashi said Ethiopians think the Adal Abyssinian war was a civil war.
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Of course they'll call him anything but Somali. It's only natural.
I find it funny when Ethiopians say he wasn’t somali whilst simultaneously claiming the abysinian and axumites kings who were straight from Yemen
There is no written evidence of his ethnicity
There are some two likely hypothesis.
Hypothesis 1) he was somali.
This is supported by the fact that most of Ahmed guray's army was somali , he was also the uncle of Nur ibn Mujahid who is traditionally claimed by the Marexaan ( we don't know if this is true though). If nur ibn Mujahid was marexaan-Somali then it's likely Ahmed Guray was at least part somali or fully somali.
A few things though may contradict this hypothesis. In the futuh al habasha (Arabic book that describe the adal-ethio wars) somalis are mentioned as such and with even details about the different clans, if Ahmed Guray was Somali why didn't they mention him as such? There's another hypothesis that says there were two ahmed gurays, one was the chief of the entire adal army and another one was a somali from an isaaq subclan. The two characters became one figure.
Hypothesis 2) he was harari
This is supported by the fact he married a harari woman and ruled over harar.
Things that contradict this hypothesis.
-ahmed guray was never mentioned as harari or harla, he was born either in Zeila or Hubat(between ethiopia and somalia) which is far from the harari-ethiosemtic territory.
My personal opinion is that Ahmed Guray had probably mixed somali-harari heritage which explains why he was never called harari or somali explicitly. Most historians identify him as somali, some others say he was harari.
Harlas are related to some darood clans, they disappeared and got assimilated by somalis and hararis.
Yemeni is laughable.
Harari is possibile though.
Somalis are people who don’t read or write and at the same time full of hatred and ignorance.
The leading historian of Ethiopia, former Minister of Education, Arts & Culture and Dean of the National Library under Haile Selassi, Takla Sadiq Mekuria, devoted a short chapter to the question of origin of Gragn and the identity of the Malasay in his rough monograph on the Gragn Wars (1973/1974) called "Ya Gragn Warara", in it he draws on the evidence from Arab Faqih Sihab Uddin and the chronicles of Sarsa-Dengel. Takla was also able to draw on the oral tradition of Harar. Through the mediation of Dagazmac Wargnah he interviewed Ahmad Ali Sami, the highest authoritative scholar of Harar. Gragn's father was to come from the Hawiye (Somali clan) in the Ogaden; a genealogy of eight generations before Gragn is known in this tradtion
If you don’t know Ahmad As Sami is a Harari scholar, is the one who has also been copying collecting Arabic documents on the History of Harar and traditions surounding it.
His hometown hoobad was historically inhabited by his tribe seexawle karanle hawiye and still inhabited by seexawle tribe to this day.There's no doubt about that but haters and the stupid spread false information. Let every clan substantiate their claims, we Karanle have traditions surrounding his family, uncles, sons etc which others don't, check the Ethiopian National Library, others claims are just an idolisation of his character.
The leading historian of Ethiopia, former Minister of Education, Arts & Culture and Dean of the National Library under Haile Selassi, Takla Sadiq Mekuria, devoted a short chapter to the question of origin of Gragn and the identity of the Malasay in his rough monograph on the Gragn Wars (1973/1974) called "Ya Gragn Warara", in it he draws on the evidence from Arab Faqih Sihab Uddin and the chronicles of Sarsa-Dengel. Takla was also able to draw on the oral tradition of Harar. Through the mediation of Dagazmac Wargnah he interviewed Ahmad Ali Sami, the highest authoritative scholar of Harar. Gragn's father was to come from the Hawiye (Somali clan) in the Ogaden; a genealogy of eight generations before Gragn is known in this tradtion
If you don’t know Ahmad As Sami is a Harari scholar, is the one who has also been copying collecting Arabic documents on the History of Harar and traditions surounding it.
His hometown hoobad was historically inhabited by his tribe seexawle karanle hawiye and still inhabited by seexawle tribe to this day.There's no doubt about that but haters and the stupid spread false information. Let every clan substantiate their claims, we Karanle have traditions surrounding his family, uncles, sons etc which others don't, check the Ethiopian National Library, others claims are just an idolisation of his character.
Unknown to you only
Xarla was somali because they were Xarla Kombe related to Geri Kombe.
He was 100% Somali.
Him being non Somali is being peddled by Amhara pathological liars who want to erase Somali from history and claim we are new commers to our lands.
Just like amhara racists claim Tigrayans were not Axumites.
Oromos came from Madagascar.
In other words the Confederate amhara ethnic groups want to propagate historical falacies even they claim they are descendants of Solomon and Sheba and also they claim Lalilbela who was the last Agew King deposed.
