I told this to @DR OSMAN last time. that before siad left xamar he filled the tank he was leaving with full of gold that belonged to somalia and his people. But hey he was a honnest guy
Siyad Barre Curse On Somalia Is Real
- Thread starter DR OSMAN
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I told this to @DR OSMAN last time. that before siad left xamar he filled the tank he was leaving with full of gold that belonged to somalia and his people. But hey he was a honnest guy
Supporting Siad Barre, is like staying silent whilst your neighbour gets robbed, raped etc, because the criminal is good to you.
When the police asks if you've seen something:
Chaseyourdreamzz
VIP
Plenty of people love siyaad especially those who witnessed the civil war and lack of governance of the last 30 years
attash
Amaan Duule
That money was going to get looted by Caydiid and his mooryaans anyways. There was no point in Siad Barre leaving it there.I told this to @DR OSMAN last time. that before siad left xamar he filled the tank he was leaving with full of gold that belonged to somalia and his people. But hey he was a honnest guy
I agree Siyad was best leader we ever had. And he kept this crazy country together for longtime you can never please all somali clans and they will do anything to upset balance even working with outside enemies. But I also think Siad reign was over after Ogaden war to big a blunder to come back from. That war and after math left him exposed. Tribes like Isaaq fought hard during war and afterwards were flooded by somali galbeed refugees and attacks on their cities and people by WSFL
but you also got to remember the European colonialist handed us govt with institutions and their form of govt on a platter. No somali leader had to conquer from hargeisa to kismayo.first it was Western Europe deomocary then Eastern Europe socialism with same outsiders funding us mostly. But at least country was safe and there were factories roads and ports yes there was corruption but Siad built tangible things. I wish we got to see Bardheere dam biggest what if to me .
Somali govt always been rotten due to weak foundation and being built by outsiders
but you also got to remember the European colonialist handed us govt with institutions and their form of govt on a platter. No somali leader had to conquer from hargeisa to kismayo.first it was Western Europe deomocary then Eastern Europe socialism with same outsiders funding us mostly. But at least country was safe and there were factories roads and ports yes there was corruption but Siad built tangible things. I wish we got to see Bardheere dam biggest what if to me .
Somali govt always been rotten due to weak foundation and being built by outsiders
@Mr steal your naag 2 where is this mystery gold siyad took? sheeko, his family is poor and maslax barre was asking my dad for $100 shaxaad in nairobi during embagatthi conference. No Marehan leader has enriched himself while in power, NOT 1. Plus they never use Somali money and funnel it towards gedo/abudwaaq EVER, not 1.
They are the least corrupt clan in Somalia, no-one even comes CLOSE. Marehan deserve the presidency based on MERIT not any other clan who will just be corrupt and mis-use their power and show their INCOMPETENT to lead.
Why can't we have SADE in power, all the nation will benefit not gedo-abuudwaaq, or u want to be in this constant race and cycle to loot somali aid and tax and enrich your leaders and their regions before the next clan does the same cycle? if u want that cycle then ENJOY FAILED NATION FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS before extinction swallows u up.
They are the least corrupt clan in Somalia, no-one even comes CLOSE. Marehan deserve the presidency based on MERIT not any other clan who will just be corrupt and mis-use their power and show their INCOMPETENT to lead.
Why can't we have SADE in power, all the nation will benefit not gedo-abuudwaaq, or u want to be in this constant race and cycle to loot somali aid and tax and enrich your leaders and their regions before the next clan does the same cycle? if u want that cycle then ENJOY FAILED NATION FOR ANOTHER 100 YEARS before extinction swallows u up.
@Mr steal your naag 2 It's time we reward leadership to clans who have proven their 'amiin', respect is earned and somali clan don't want to earn it, why force them or deny it or make our nation suffer in this never-ending cycle of failure?
Be a man and BE 'honest' Somali to crown Sade as our leadership if u Love Somali well being, if u don't then admit ur clan pride is blinding your national pride goals.
Now chant with me. Sade U DESERVE IT
Be a man and BE 'honest' Somali to crown Sade as our leadership if u Love Somali well being, if u don't then admit ur clan pride is blinding your national pride goals.
Now chant with me. Sade U DESERVE IT
GaradShabeel
VIP
The enrichment and corruption aspects exist amongst all clans, but one thing I've noticed amongst MX leaders is that they tend to not focus much on development in their home regions whenever they are in power, which is much different from most other clans. They seem very nationalistic minded and promote those ideals as well.
Iam not saying they are the only corrupt clan Hell all somali clan leaders/politicians are corrupt but @DR OSMAN is tryna make MX look like they are the only honorary non corrupt clan and that is laughable. If that was the case why did every big clan create a militia to overthrow him.
Show me one marehan leader who has any wealth waryaa? XITAA HAL ma sheegi kartid, even farmajo SHACABKA were going to build him a home, how dacad he was. War heedhe, I don't like sade siyasad of centralism, lakin waxay yihin kama xasido. They r not corrupt at all, while every other clan is. Plus u conveniently ignore they never funnel somali money into gedo-abudwaaq while in power, so u go now and make conspiracy about their leaders being corrupt. CIIL ayaa ku haayo cuz their COMPETENT and the only clan we can deem as WESTERN GRADE leadership material.
DR OSMAN thank you, we arent even a power hungry clan as many suggest. a benovelent Marehan leader is required to steer Somalia back on track. May Farmaajo return!
GaradShabeel
VIP
From what I've observed, it seem to be nostalgia from the days of MSB. When you see the aftermath of the last 30 years of mayhem, it's not unreasonable to understand why many long back to the days of MSB. It surely wasn't perfect, especially for some clans who were targeted towards the end of his rule, but it was better than what we have today in many regards.
Granted, if we had achieved consensus (amongst the rebels) and established a new gov't right away in the 90s, and continued developing, I'm sure that most people would view MSB in a different light if we had a better governance today, inclusive @DR OSMAN.
GaradShabeel
VIP
" i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" Dr Martin Luther king
can be said bout clan too no one is better or worse just got use your brain who is good for the country not only my clan or my family but also for everyone else should be governing the government I don't care if he/she is from a Somali clan, African or foreigner as long as someone moves us upwards and forward I'm down with them
can be said bout clan too no one is better or worse just got use your brain who is good for the country not only my clan or my family but also for everyone else should be governing the government I don't care if he/she is from a Somali clan, African or foreigner as long as someone moves us upwards and forward I'm down with them
reer
VIP
the rebels were multiple groups with different end goals therefore they were doomed from the start. go ask a junior political science student what happens when multiple factions with different mindsets overthrow a government by war.
Their was no political settlement between rebel groups about a post-siyad govt, u need to organize that first before any military action is taken. Some suspect menguistu wanted no 'post somalia solution' and knew what the outcome would be prior kkkk, a power vacuum(no political settlement between groups) with 'armed factions' on top of that = civil war.
@DR OSMAN Ditoore,
Why are you lowering your intelligence by still blaming siad barre?
the decades that followed after the fall of the kacaan, showcased why barre was so important.
he was the glue that held the republic together, our very own gadafi or sadam.
what we need to do is, develop not blame a dead person.
he is gone and the people are still crazy, meaning they were crazy too under his rule.
stop it walaal it is not a good look.
start with the local city and do something!
let it be paving the streets, planting greenery, educating the youngsters.
getting contracts to import necessary products to your region.
do something noh, i have seen threads year after year.
did you start something or is this a coping mechanism walaal??
hell we can link up and create a business in PL.
Why are you lowering your intelligence by still blaming siad barre?
the decades that followed after the fall of the kacaan, showcased why barre was so important.
he was the glue that held the republic together, our very own gadafi or sadam.
what we need to do is, develop not blame a dead person.
he is gone and the people are still crazy, meaning they were crazy too under his rule.
stop it walaal it is not a good look.
start with the local city and do something!
let it be paving the streets, planting greenery, educating the youngsters.
getting contracts to import necessary products to your region.
do something noh, i have seen threads year after year.
did you start something or is this a coping mechanism walaal??
hell we can link up and create a business in PL.
@reer abdillahi yusuf was the only 'wadani' among rebel groups as he asked menguistu to mediate between SSDF and SNM on discussing an agreed upon military rule upon siyad exit to establish order while giving space for politicians to craft a new state and it's organ in a 'transitional phase' untill democracy is established.
He also was angry about ethio claim on Somali territory which was the final straw, but ppl forget it was Ethio refusal to host SNM/SSDF to discuss a post-siyad model govt. Then he was arrested in 1985 by menguistu(which none of the other dulis were) who carried on menguistu vision of where we are today. Plus upon 'yey' arrest, the SSDF decided to end the rebel front cause of all those factors.
He also was angry about ethio claim on Somali territory which was the final straw, but ppl forget it was Ethio refusal to host SNM/SSDF to discuss a post-siyad model govt. Then he was arrested in 1985 by menguistu(which none of the other dulis were) who carried on menguistu vision of where we are today. Plus upon 'yey' arrest, the SSDF decided to end the rebel front cause of all those factors.
GaradShabeel
VIP
True. In hindsight, besides the different rebels, within these organizations you had people with different visions which was the biggest obstacle imo as they were on different ends on the political spectrum.
For some it was based on practical reasonings based on what's best for the future of Somalia, while others were only competing for increased power and influence for themselves or sub/clan and less willing to compromise. Hence, the breakdown and infighting within the rebels (or intra-clans to be specific) after the deposal of the gov't.
If we've learned anything from the rebels, which is evident in today, is that sharing lineage doesn't per automatic mean that you share political beliefs. The rebels would've been more successful if they instead were cross-clan organizations based on common political objectives, aside form overthrowing the gov't.
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