There won't be so called party association election when there's no law for it and the oppostion camp base won't allow it to take place in their territories unless Biixi is ready for another 2.0 civil warMuse could possibly hold party elections and then presidential elections so he can run again. Chess move by him. The opposition is finito.
Hopefully he wins
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That doesn't change the fact that Awdal region was the only place in Somaliland where the state functioned while much of east of Burco there was minimun presence of the state until the mid 2000s
You’ve misunderstood my point. I was making a point that it’s hypocritical for a man to wish for someone else to go to war for him while he’s scared for his own community to.
Say what you want sxb, just know if civil war happens Ethiopia will swoop in, and your lands will be the first they take.
I know it depends on how you define whats clan sxb, but no way awdalland, gebileylanď daadmadheedland sahil land are as viable as sland, sland excluding harti territories is a whooping 115000kmsq with a huge popn, so don't understimate waqooyi and the so called khatumo has yet to prove anything else other than crying for HSM for legitimacy when its constitutionally impossible for a 65% of a gobol and few random tuulos somwhere else to establish a FMS
But to ask you one question, would you still want to be separate if sland's power sharing and governance is corrected?
In my opinion, sland thats fair, democratic, rule of law is upheld and inclusive to all northern DIR is our best interest, if we try to establish a separate mini subclan enclaves then we just gonna transfer the rift to a subclan level, so that ciise in awdal will rebel against samaroon and even samaron subclans might disagree on how to handle things just like we isaaqs can't agree on whats wrong or right let alone power sharing and atlast someone else might take advantage of this and annex our territories.
You think there's any consideration for law anymore. The constitution has been violated countless times.
It functioned because of us alone. Somaliland just integrated our framework into the building structures.
And who said we'd be opposed to Ethiopia annexing our land? Heck, they can create a port city if they'd want. We'd hand it to them on a silver platter.
Then tell me how will the election commission be able to conduct the so called urur election when there's no xeer for it ?You think there's any consideration for law anymore. The constitution has been violated countless times.
Somaliland current institution and state was built in Boorama confrence that your elders and politicians organised at a time when there was no govt in the north as SNM which was given the manadate to govern the country in the transitional period completly broke off into clan factions with some of those factions splitting up the capital Hargeisa controlling their part of the city. So don't think SL has nothing to do with your people when it exists because of you guys.
That's beside the point. A clan enclave ≠ recognised federal state.
What's the purpose of power sharing if the state continues to undermine? The current administration has made it clear that they can manipulate subclans, buy out elders and politicians, and interfere in the internal political affairs of clans. I don't really care for satisfying more corrupt politicans calools by them getting seats through a change to the power sharing model.
What I'm more concerned about is the lack of infrastructure. There's goons in Villa Hargeisa who don't want us to be economically independent and increase the relative autonomy we already have because it's not in their best interest. Hopes of infrastructure is the primary reason we initially supported Somaliland's secession. Since our expectations haven't been met, it's in our best interest to focus on developing our land with our own proposed governance system that we can hold accountable.
Your point on divisions within clans and further into subclans is bs. It leads back to my point about state infringement. The main reason us Samaroon have never even had a political bloc is because of that and besides Isaaqs have made it clear they are not Dir, and Ciise can't rebel against Samaroon when the Governer, and the 13 seats representing Awdal are all Samaroon. On top of us controlling the security and economy of the region.
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You're missing my point. We don't need you, but you need us.
Don't act like you're Harti Daarood who were never sincere about being part of Somaliland as the state authorty never reached majority of the territory it claims in the east. Awdal is in Somaliland and there's nothing that will be able to change that unless there's a war.
Your point is redundant. Dhulbahante invited the state and then rescinded the invitation, while Somaliland went as far as Boocame or even further. Warsangeli never extended an invitation to Somaliland to that extent, and Somaliland has never reached the easternmost point in Sanaag.
And what's with guilt tripping? A large percentage of us are insincere and will remain so as long as we don't gain anything from Somaliland.
Anyway, aren't your boys up in the mountains? You're here talking to me about territorial authority, but your boys are running the state out of their towns.
My point isn't about invitations but your elders and intellectuals literally saving Somaliland from non existance by hosting a grand conferences after SNM, or what's left of it, 2 year manadate have ended and no one from the main clan Reer Sheekh Isxaaq wanted to host another conference in their city or town as clan militias were independently running the place until reer Boorama showed up and invited everyone from the north to the shir to built the Somaliland we know today and you can't leave something you have created and forced us upon.Your point is redundant. Dhulbahante invited the state and then rescinded the invitation, while Somaliland went as far as Boocame or even further. Warsangeli never extended an invitation to Somaliland to that extent, and Somaliland has never reached the easternmost point in Sanaag.
And what's with guilt tripping? A large percentage of us are insincere and will remain so as long as we don't gain anything from Somaliland.
Anyway, aren't your boys up in the mountains? You're here talking to me about territorial authority, but your boys are running the state out of their towns.
The men in the mountains aren't there to break away from SL like reer Laascanod but to topple Muuse Biixi illegtimate govt.
They've elected him to become presidential nominee for Kulmiye
Nope, stand on your own two feet.
Maamulka sl is marodijeex and togdheer.
Stop trying to force others so you can loot their allocated assets.
It's embarrassing that reer issaaq must military lose before they realise it will never happen again. The benefit of the doubt has been surpassed.
I wonder if they will scream genocide when isaaq cities get attacked
Isaaq territories isn't just that two regions you mentoned as we're in Sool and Sanaag but you Daaroods can have your own maamul
If the Borama conference built Somaliland then the announcement for independence day would've been made there.
Egal masterminded it and forced it upon you and even Tuur ran away to Xamar after being sentenced to death because he rejected Egals proposition of a state built on secessionism.
And there were militias in Awdal running things independently in that time frame too.
They won't be able topple him. The only possibility that remains is breaking away and announcing a Maamul.
Weren't xoolo like the others, there won't be a maamul there's only Somaliland.
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