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I think ive said this before on here. But I think that t-haplogroup was actually eastern cushites .

It seems like too much of a coincidence after everything you mentioned on top of the fact thag the asir region the older t-haplogroup came from was a part of the tihama region where this zay'li nisba is well-known.


Although now im thinking its possible we just don't have enough t-haplogroup tested and that we'll find the older sub branches with more samples.
Not gonna say it ain't it, but we need more samples

TMCRA dropped to 2300 ybp between Somali T-BY181210 and T-Y218135 Asir Sample, it can't just be random chance they took the Nisbah Al Zaylai by chance, maybe with the collapse, we lost older documents pertaining to lineages.

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Not gonna say it ain't it, but we need more samples

TMCRA dropped to 2300 ybp between Somali T-BY181210 and T-Y218135 Asir Sample, it can't just be random chance they took the Nisbah Al Zaylai by chance, maybe with the collapse, we lost older documents pertaining to lineages.

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Yeah the answer will be clearer with more samples. I think the t- haplogroup experienced an even more intense founder effect than e-v32 in somalia.

Theres even this post. Where they show how late iron age individuals ( so 800-500 b.c) in al-ula in the far north of Saudi Arabia had on avg 5% east african dna

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ar" dir="rtl">التحليل الجيني (K = 4) يشير إلى أن أفراد <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/العُلا?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#العُلا</a> في العصر الحديدي المتأخر يشتقون في المتوسط:<br><br> 65% من مصدر مرتبط بالعصر الحديدي في بلاد الشام.<br>20% من مصدر في جنوب شبه الجزيرة العربية في العصر الحديدي.<br>10% من مصدر جبال زاغروس في العصر الحديدي.<br>5% من مصدر شرق إفريقي. <br><br>ومع ذلك،… <a href="https://t.co/4IU0elSivg">pic.twitter.com/4IU0elSivg</a></p>&mdash; د. وسام العظَمة Dr. Wissam (@WissamAzma) <a href="">June 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Weirdly, it's not more pronounced in Arabia if the oldest branch is found there, TMCRA is only 2900 years old, if there is a Sudanic branch older than it, that will cement it, trade in the Red Sea went bought ways.
That's probably the best place to look. The eastern cushites somalis are descended from seem to have migrated along the coast and through the eastern desert. And if that was the case it wouldn't be surprising if some of them crossed over the red sea.
 

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That's probably the best place to look. The eastern cushites somalis are descended from seem to have migrated along the coast and through the eastern desert. And if that was the case it wouldn't be surprising if some of them crossed over the red sea.
I already explained why it’s very unlikely. In my opinion, the little we do know is just enough to rule out certain conclusions.
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By the way, the tweets you linked in previous posts supposedly share excerpts from an unpublished study, so we should take these very carefuly. Nonetheless, it still doesn't mean much either. T lineages of all branches (almost all) are found throughout the Middle East, despite being a linor haplogroup there as well.
 
I already explained why it’s very unlikely. In my opinion, the little we do know is just enough to rule out certain conclusions.
By the way, the tweets you linked in previous posts supposedly share excerpts from an unpublished study, so we should take these very carefuly. Nonetheless, it still doesn't mean much either. T lineages of all branches (almost all) are found throughout the Middle East, despite being a linor haplogroup there as well.
My point is that us finding a t-haplogroup in modern middle eastern indivuals and then trying to assume that It could only have come into Somalia from these people migrating is flawed.
Especially since we know that there were cushites on the Arabian side of the red sea. Going aa far back as 2000 b.c
 

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My point is that us finding a t-haplogroup in modern middle eastern indivuals and then trying to assume that It could only have come into Somalia from these people migrating is flawed.

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Especially since we know that there were cushites on the Arabian side of the red sea. Going aa far back as 2000 b.c
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The larger Haplogroup t is several thosuand years old and in it's itself tells us nothing that I agree.

But if you click the link on the chart you link to both the people from Saudi are from the asir region. A region which is part of the this tihama region where zayli' presence is well known.

Considering how young the the dir t-haplogroup is. It would have taken a massive migration for outsiders to have left such an impact that you have this huge chunk of the somali pouplation with this specific Haplogroup .

What is i think far more likely is that these individuals are probably descendants of people who left Somalia where the dir live before the selection effects fully happened.
 

Arabsiyawi

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But if you click the link on the chart you link to both the people from Saudi are from the asir region. A region which is part of the this tihama region where zayli' presence is well known.
Irrelevant. The Zayali'a are very diverse Y-DNA wise and are nothing but a single tribe among thounsands.
Only one of the two is from that confederation. Him matching us is nothing more than a coincidence. Upstream of them (and us because we share that mutation) are other Arabians, one being from Kuwait, but not listed here. Upstream of that we have Jews...
Considering how young the the dir t-haplogroup is. It would have taken a massive migration for outsiders to have left such an impact that you have this huge chunk of the somali pouplation with this specific Haplogroup .
?? You've literally mentionned the existence of founder effects earlier.
What is i think far more likely is that these individuals are probably descendants of people who left Somalia where the dir live before the selection effects fully happened.
Is it vibes telling you that ? Left during which period ? I don't see anything that would support this. Had it been the case, it would've been us representing a basal clade, not the other way round.
Again, and I'll end it here, we sit at the end of a clearly Arabian clade. There's a complete lack of related African lineages, neither among other Somalis, nor among our neighbors.
 
Irrelevant. The Zayali'a are very diverse Y-DNA wise and are nothing but a single tribe among thounsands.
Only one of the two is from that confederation. Him matching us is nothing more than a coincidence. Upstream of them (and us because we share that mutation) are other Arabians, one being from Kuwait, but not listed here. Upstream of that we have Jews...

?? You've literally mentionned the existence of founder effects earlier.

Is it vibes telling you that ? Left during which period ? I don't see anything that would support this. Had it been the case, it would've been us representing a basal clade, not the other way round.
Again, and I'll end it here, we sit at the end of a clearly Arabian clade. There's a complete lack of related African lineages, neither among other Somalis, nor among our neighbors.
We have barely any t haplogroups of this specific t subclade found in saudi arabia its only a couple samples .

But ultimately my argument boils down to the fact that You have no real explanation for how such a huge amount of somalis can all share this subclade haplogroup. Even with founder effects you would still need a massive migration of people for this haplogroup to be present in such a huge chunk of the pouplation. It also couldn't have been multiple migrations either since this is concentrated in one specific region of Somalia.

Considering how young the dir tmrca is this migration would have happned around 2,000 - 1600 years ago or so. Yet somehow the migration of this many people left no historical traces ?
 
Irrelevant. The Zayali'a are very diverse Y-DNA wise and are nothing but a single tribe among thounsands.
Its not irrelevant at all. Thr fact thag you have all these individuals with a somali nisba is obviously relevant. There is even a Zayli Martime museum in saudi arabia.
 

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