zeila mentioned and an al-makdi nisba

[NidarNidar]

I think ive said this before on here. But I think that t-haplogroup was actually eastern cushites .

It seems like too much of a coincidence after everything you mentioned on top of the fact thag the asir region the older t-haplogroup came from was a part of the tihama region where this zay'li nisba is well-known.


Although now im thinking its possible we just don't have enough t-haplogroup tested and that we'll find the older sub branches with more samples.

Not gonna say it ain't it, but we need more samples

TMCRA dropped to 2300 ybp between Somali T-BY181210 and T-Y218135 Asir Sample, it can't just be random chance they took the Nisbah Al Zaylai by chance, maybe with the collapse, we lost older documents pertaining to lineages.

 

[Midas]

Not gonna say it ain't it, but we need more samples

TMCRA dropped to 2300 ybp between Somali T-BY181210 and T-Y218135 Asir Sample, it can't just be random chance they took the Nisbah Al Zaylai by chance, maybe with the collapse, we lost older documents pertaining to lineages.

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Yeah the answer will be clearer with more samples. I think the t- haplogroup experienced an even more intense founder effect than e-v32 in somalia.

Theres even this post. Where they show how late iron age individuals ( so 800-500 b.c) in al-ula in the far north of Saudi Arabia had on avg 5% east african dna

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ar" dir="rtl">التحليل الجيني (K = 4) يشير إلى أن أفراد <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/العُلا?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#العُلا</a> في العصر الحديدي المتأخر يشتقون في المتوسط:<br><br> 65% من مصدر مرتبط بالعصر الحديدي في بلاد الشام.<br>20% من مصدر في جنوب شبه الجزيرة العربية في العصر الحديدي.<br>10% من مصدر جبال زاغروس في العصر الحديدي.<br>5% من مصدر شرق إفريقي. <br><br>ومع ذلك،… <a href="https://t.co/4IU0elSivg">pic.twitter.com/4IU0elSivg</a></p>&mdash; د. وسام العظَمة Dr. Wissam (@WissamAzma) <a href="">June 6, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Midas]

To put that into perspective here is where al ula is located.

 

[NidarNidar]

To put that into perspective here is where al ula is located.

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Weirdly, it's not more pronounced in Arabia if the oldest branch is found there, TMCRA is only 2900 years old, if there is a Sudanic branch older than it, that will cement it, trade in the Red Sea went bought ways.

 

[Midas]

Weirdly, it's not more pronounced in Arabia if the oldest branch is found there, TMCRA is only 2900 years old, if there is a Sudanic branch older than it, that will cement it, trade in the Red Sea went bought ways.

That's probably the best place to look. The eastern cushites somalis are descended from seem to have migrated along the coast and through the eastern desert. And if that was the case it wouldn't be surprising if some of them crossed over the red sea.

 

[Arabsiyawi]

That's probably the best place to look. The eastern cushites somalis are descended from seem to have migrated along the coast and through the eastern desert. And if that was the case it wouldn't be surprising if some of them crossed over the red sea.

I already explained why it’s very unlikely. In my opinion, the little we do know is just enough to rule out certain conclusions.

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By the way, the tweets you linked in previous posts supposedly share excerpts from an unpublished study, so we should take these very carefuly. Nonetheless, it still doesn't mean much either. T lineages of all branches (almost all) are found throughout the Middle East, despite being a linor haplogroup there as well.

 

[Midas]

I already explained why it’s very unlikely. In my opinion, the little we do know is just enough to rule out certain conclusions.
By the way, the tweets you linked in previous posts supposedly share excerpts from an unpublished study, so we should take these very carefuly. Nonetheless, it still doesn't mean much either. T lineages of all branches (almost all) are found throughout the Middle East, despite being a linor haplogroup there as well.

My point is that us finding a t-haplogroup in modern middle eastern indivuals and then trying to assume that It could only have come into Somalia from these people migrating is flawed.
Especially since we know that there were cushites on the Arabian side of the red sea. Going aa far back as 2000 b.c