Xi may be moving China to economic system 'that doesn't exist anywhere in the world

Basra

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Yeah! China is going back to the communist economy of Mao Zedong . The recent rise of China's economy was due to giving little room for capitalism and free market or private market. Xi wants to go back to old stagnant communist system!

Yeah for USA!


 

HiraanBorn

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Yeah! China is going back to the communist economy of Mao Zedong . The recent rise of China's economy was due to giving little room for capitalism and free market or private market. Xi wants to go back to old stagnant communist system!

Yeah for USA!


I don't believe for a moment that a man as intelligent as Xi Jinping is going to risk destroying the economy of his nation by reverting back to his predecessor Mao's idiotic economic methods. That article is clearly American influenced rubbish.

Xi just wants more government surveillance carried out on corrupt business entrepreneurs which is already being done to many companies and independent businesses throughout China.
 

Basra

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I don't believe for a moment that a man as intelligent as Xi Jinping is going to risk destroying the economy of his nation by reverting back to his predecessor Mao's idiotic economic methods. That article is clearly American influenced rubbish.

Xi just wants more government surveillance carried out on corrupt business entrepreneurs which is already being done to many companies and independent businesses throughout China.


You are anti USA. Your catty thoughts do not count


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they're just reigning in business for the public good, while the west has wealth funds and foreign investors buying up homes at a premium and pushing people into a class of perpetual rentees
 

Basra

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they're just reigning in business for the public good, while the west has wealth funds and foreign investors buying up homes at a premium and pushing people into a class of perpetual rentees


Your statement is well received. AGREED.


And the reason they can invest, is the Security USA provides for investors.

So the ONLY bet for USA is for it to be # 1 and the rest of the world to be below us. Period. We are the citizens of Rome during Rome world domination. The citizen is poor and destitute but his or her passport and a few dollars is worth more than the worlds impoverished lot
 
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Basra

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Lets be honest the US is slowly declining and the top global spot is changing hands once again.

This is not about being anti-USA, this is about Machiavellian pragmatism. :silanyosmile:


USA will never decline huuno. U know why? Because our dollar reads: In God we trust!
 
china is plastic. CIA will shirqool China big time and the elephant will fall like it did a hundred years ago. The big sheydaan is not the best of planners(God is) but oboy the Anglos are talanted to say the least. Like or not everyone is an American slave. Pax Americana will last long.
 

HiraanBorn

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Your statement is well received. AGREED.


And the reason they can invest, is the Security USA provides for investors.

So the ONLY bet for USA is for it to be # 1 and the rest of the world to be below us. Period. We are the citizens of Rome during Rome world domination. The citizen is poor and destitute but his or her passport and a few dollars is worth more than the words impoverished lot
Yeah they shelter foreign investors from loss but not their own local investors, so much for the "land of the free and home of the brave.":pachah1:
 

HiraanBorn

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china is plastic. CIA will shirqool China big time and the elephant will fall like it did a hundred years ago. The big sheydaan is not the best of planners(God is) but oboy the Anglos are talanted to say the least. Like it or not everyone is an American slave. Pax Americana will last long.
Lol one Shaytaan taking out another Shaytaan, how is this a victory for us?
 

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Quite a long read but this explains the official stance of the CCP to those interested

POLITICAL TRENDS

According to Xi Jinping and the current party consensus, there are four broad political trends in China today:

1. ⁠"Ultra-left", which upholds the Mao era and Mao Zedong Thought but rejects the Deng Xiaoping era and the theoredical framework of Socialism with Chinese characteristics. This position must be "profoundly re-examined".
2. ⁠"Left", which upholds both the Mao and Deng eras, Mao Zedong Thought and SWCC. This position must be "strongly promoted".
3. ⁠"Right", which rejects Mao and Mao Zedong Thought but upholds Deng Xiaoping and SWCC. This position must also be "profoundly re-examined".
4. ⁠"Ultra-right", which rejects both the Mao and Deng eras, Mao Zedong Thought and SWCC. This position must be "firmly opposed".

Both Mao and Deng comitted leftist and rightist errors respectively. However, their overall contribution to Chinese socialism is immense and should be embraced. In line with this reality, critical tolerance must given to the Ultra-Leftist and the Rightist positions described above. But Ultra-Righists, seeking to "change allegiance" (capitalist restoration) are completely unnaceptable.

This position has been put into practice in party schools, common education, and party discipline. An example of this can be seen in the testimony of expelled former liberal-minded party members in this article of the Sydney Morning Herald:

Someone always loses in any political upheaval. In the rise of Xi, it’s the second-generation elite such as Cai and their families who have been either forced into silence, hiding or exile, leaving Xi unchallenged at the top of the CCP pyramid.
“These are people who have gone to Harvard or Yale, who speak excellent English, and they don’t like Xi.”
He says the combination of the Party as an ideological commitment and as a vehicle for professional promotion had left this group of potential Chinese leaders sidelined.
“These people are seeing their purpose torn up,” he says. “Xi Jinping doesn’t like that group of members, he likes true believers because he’s a true believer."

Essentially, Xi Jinping has focused on eliminating previously widespread graft and corruption as well as completely dismantling CIA networks within the party and state. He has also taken it upon himself to cleanse the party of liberalism, resumé hunters, historical nihilism towards party history, and western idolization; all of which were unfortunate conditions that developed during the Deng era, methastisyzing during the Jiang Zemin (and his Shanghai Clique), Hu Jintao administrations.

Nevertheless, in 2017 at the 19th CPC Congress, a third era in Chinese socialism was declared in accordance with the "Left" position presented above. The primary goals of this era are to assert party authority within the economy in order to carry out the technological, social, cultural and economic tasks necessary to completely lift China from a middle-income low complexity manufacturing export-dependent economy to a high-income, innovative and self-reliant/autarkik economy during the 2021-2035 period. In other words, China wants to be more like Germany or Japan with their large high-quality, high-tech and high-complexity manufacturing output instead of deindustrializing, financializing and outsourcing like the United States and Britain.

With China likely reaching the human development and gdp per capita levels of some southern european countries by 2035, and very possibly matching western/northern european countries in those terms by 2049, it has been confirmed that China will have thus completed the Primary Stage of Socialism and will ascend to the intermediate stage by 2049:

From the primary stage of socialism to the intermediate, and then the advanced stage, China is following a development process of constant evolution and constant strengthening. Currently in the “second half” of the primary stage of socialism, China has already developed important economic features that are usually found in an advanced economic entity, for example, innovation-driven growth, post-industrialization, green manufacturing and green energy; while also facing the challenges of an aging population and sub-replacement fertility. Furthermore, it has achieved modernization of the service industry, and informatization and digitization. These features reflect a situation in which development factors are becoming increasingly dominant, as underdevelopment factors decline.

as well as:

It now appears that we will achieve our goal to complete the building of a moderately prosperous society in all respects by 2021, the year the Communist Party of China celebrates its centenary. By the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the PRC [2049], we will have achieved our goal of building China into a great modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, harmonious, and beautiful.
After 2050, China will enter the intermediate stage of socialist development. The development theme will change from “common prosperity” to “common development,” with two main historical missions: (1) to turn China into a highly developed great modern socialist country (i.e. the third centenary goal) by 2078, the centenary of China’s reform and opening up; and (2) to realize the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation by the end of the century.
China’s third centenary goal can be described as a shift from “achieving common development” to “becoming highly developed.” The overarching objective is to build China into a great modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, harmonious, and beautiful in all respects, so as to lay a solid foundation with higher standards to enable the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.

STAGES OF SOCIALISM

The best way to summarize the stages according to the current theoredical line of the CPC and the interpretation of Professor Cheng Enfu:

0th Stage or Socialist Construction Period

• ⁠Founding of the PRC (1949) to the end of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution and the Boluan Fanzheng period (1977)
• ⁠Bloc of Four Classes, New Democracy
• ⁠People's Democratic Dictatorship with Proletarian Leadership
• ⁠Basic institutions of the PRC built
• ⁠Basic Industrialization, urbanization, and infrastructure development
• ⁠Eradication of severe deprivation, doubling of life expetancy and other achievements
• ⁠Officially, this period is part of the primary stage but it's generally talked about as being a separate era.

Primary Stage of Socialism

• ⁠Beginning of Reform and Opening Up (1978) until the 100th year of the founding of the PRC (2049)
⁠• ⁠Split into two sub-stages
⁠• ⁠1978-2020 (Moderately Prosperous Society, eradication of absolute poverty)
⁠• ⁠2021-2049 (Modern Prosperity, eradication of relative poverty and underdevelopment)
• ⁠Socialist Market Economy
⁠• ⁠Public Ownership in various forms primary; private ownership secondary.
⁠• ⁠Market-based distribution according to labor primary; according to capital secondary.
⁠• ⁠State-dominated Market Economy

Intermediate Stage of Socialism

• ⁠100th year anniversary of the PRC until the 'end of the century'.
⁠• ⁠Split into two-sub-stages
⁠• ⁠2050-2078 (Highly Developed, centenary of Reform and Opening Up)
⁠• ⁠2079-2100* (Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation by the 'end of the century')
• ⁠Socialist Market Economy 2.0 (no official name yet)
⁠• ⁠Multiple forms of social ownership (state, coop, joint-stock); no private ownership
⁠• ⁠Multiple types of commodity distribution according to labor (similar to Stalin's elaboration)
⁠• ⁠State-dominated planned economy with secondary market adjustments
⁠• ⁠Although theorists have suggested leaping over the 'intermediate' stage and instead having a longer 'advanced stage' (theoredical developments are only set in stone once they have been voted on and approved in congresses and/or added to the party constitution)

Advanced/Final Stage of Socialism before Communism

• ⁠2100*-???
⁠• ⁠No official speculation about the exact year but before the end of this century
• ⁠Fully Socialist Economy
⁠• ⁠Single Public Ownership by entire society
⁠• ⁠Product-based distribution according to labor (overcoming/abolition of the commodity form)
⁠• ⁠Completely Planned Economy

Communism

• ⁠Single public ownership by entire society
• ⁠Product-based distribution accoriding to need primary (distributon according to labor for new products in shorter supply)
• ⁠Completely Planned Economy
 
chinas mistake was in trying to move into hitech high value production. as long as they were acting as the worlds factory in
low cost products they were tolerated and even encouraged.
but hitech is the big western countries domain and now chinese export markets and access to technolgy will be squeezed and
they will be bogged down in an pacific arms race where they will be bled dry. china has been set up for a big coming fall
 
Quite a long read but this explains the official stance of the CCP to those interested

POLITICAL TRENDS

According to Xi Jinping and the current party consensus, there are four broad political trends in China today:

1. ⁠"Ultra-left", which upholds the Mao era and Mao Zedong Thought but rejects the Deng Xiaoping era and the theoredical framework of Socialism with Chinese characteristics. This position must be "profoundly re-examined".
2. ⁠"Left", which upholds both the Mao and Deng eras, Mao Zedong Thought and SWCC. This position must be "strongly promoted".
3. ⁠"Right", which rejects Mao and Mao Zedong Thought but upholds Deng Xiaoping and SWCC. This position must also be "profoundly re-examined".
4. ⁠"Ultra-right", which rejects both the Mao and Deng eras, Mao Zedong Thought and SWCC. This position must be "firmly opposed".

Both Mao and Deng comitted leftist and rightist errors respectively. However, their overall contribution to Chinese socialism is immense and should be embraced. In line with this reality, critical tolerance must given to the Ultra-Leftist and the Rightist positions described above. But Ultra-Righists, seeking to "change allegiance" (capitalist restoration) are completely unnaceptable.

This position has been put into practice in party schools, common education, and party discipline. An example of this can be seen in the testimony of expelled former liberal-minded party members in this article of the Sydney Morning Herald:

Someone always loses in any political upheaval. In the rise of Xi, it’s the second-generation elite such as Cai and their families who have been either forced into silence, hiding or exile, leaving Xi unchallenged at the top of the CCP pyramid.
“These are people who have gone to Harvard or Yale, who speak excellent English, and they don’t like Xi.”
He says the combination of the Party as an ideological commitment and as a vehicle for professional promotion had left this group of potential Chinese leaders sidelined.
“These people are seeing their purpose torn up,” he says. “Xi Jinping doesn’t like that group of members, he likes true believers because he’s a true believer."

Essentially, Xi Jinping has focused on eliminating previously widespread graft and corruption as well as completely dismantling CIA networks within the party and state. He has also taken it upon himself to cleanse the party of liberalism, resumé hunters, historical nihilism towards party history, and western idolization; all of which were unfortunate conditions that developed during the Deng era, methastisyzing during the Jiang Zemin (and his Shanghai Clique), Hu Jintao administrations.

Nevertheless, in 2017 at the 19th CPC Congress, a third era in Chinese socialism was declared in accordance with the "Left" position presented above. The primary goals of this era are to assert party authority within the economy in order to carry out the technological, social, cultural and economic tasks necessary to completely lift China from a middle-income low complexity manufacturing export-dependent economy to a high-income, innovative and self-reliant/autarkik economy during the 2021-2035 period. In other words, China wants to be more like Germany or Japan with their large high-quality, high-tech and high-complexity manufacturing output instead of deindustrializing, financializing and outsourcing like the United States and Britain.

With China likely reaching the human development and gdp per capita levels of some southern european countries by 2035, and very possibly matching western/northern european countries in those terms by 2049, it has been confirmed that China will have thus completed the Primary Stage of Socialism and will ascend to the intermediate stage by 2049:

From the primary stage of socialism to the intermediate, and then the advanced stage, China is following a development process of constant evolution and constant strengthening. Currently in the “second half” of the primary stage of socialism, China has already developed important economic features that are usually found in an advanced economic entity, for example, innovation-driven growth, post-industrialization, green manufacturing and green energy; while also facing the challenges of an aging population and sub-replacement fertility. Furthermore, it has achieved modernization of the service industry, and informatization and digitization. These features reflect a situation in which development factors are becoming increasingly dominant, as underdevelopment factors decline.

as well as:

It now appears that we will achieve our goal to complete the building of a moderately prosperous society in all respects by 2021, the year the Communist Party of China celebrates its centenary. By the 100th anniversary of the establishment of the PRC [2049], we will have achieved our goal of building China into a great modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, harmonious, and beautiful.
After 2050, China will enter the intermediate stage of socialist development. The development theme will change from “common prosperity” to “common development,” with two main historical missions: (1) to turn China into a highly developed great modern socialist country (i.e. the third centenary goal) by 2078, the centenary of China’s reform and opening up; and (2) to realize the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation by the end of the century.
China’s third centenary goal can be described as a shift from “achieving common development” to “becoming highly developed.” The overarching objective is to build China into a great modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced, harmonious, and beautiful in all respects, so as to lay a solid foundation with higher standards to enable the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation.

STAGES OF SOCIALISM

The best way to summarize the stages according to the current theoredical line of the CPC and the interpretation of Professor Cheng Enfu:

0th Stage or Socialist Construction Period

• ⁠Founding of the PRC (1949) to the end of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution and the Boluan Fanzheng period (1977)
• ⁠Bloc of Four Classes, New Democracy
• ⁠People's Democratic Dictatorship with Proletarian Leadership
• ⁠Basic institutions of the PRC built
• ⁠Basic Industrialization, urbanization, and infrastructure development
• ⁠Eradication of severe deprivation, doubling of life expetancy and other achievements
• ⁠Officially, this period is part of the primary stage but it's generally talked about as being a separate era.

Primary Stage of Socialism

• ⁠Beginning of Reform and Opening Up (1978) until the 100th year of the founding of the PRC (2049)
⁠• ⁠Split into two sub-stages
⁠• ⁠1978-2020 (Moderately Prosperous Society, eradication of absolute poverty)
⁠• ⁠2021-2049 (Modern Prosperity, eradication of relative poverty and underdevelopment)
• ⁠Socialist Market Economy
⁠• ⁠Public Ownership in various forms primary; private ownership secondary.
⁠• ⁠Market-based distribution according to labor primary; according to capital secondary.
⁠• ⁠State-dominated Market Economy

Intermediate Stage of Socialism

• ⁠100th year anniversary of the PRC until the 'end of the century'.
⁠• ⁠Split into two-sub-stages
⁠• ⁠2050-2078 (Highly Developed, centenary of Reform and Opening Up)
⁠• ⁠2079-2100* (Great Rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation by the 'end of the century')
• ⁠Socialist Market Economy 2.0 (no official name yet)
⁠• ⁠Multiple forms of social ownership (state, coop, joint-stock); no private ownership
⁠• ⁠Multiple types of commodity distribution according to labor (similar to Stalin's elaboration)
⁠• ⁠State-dominated planned economy with secondary market adjustments
⁠• ⁠Although theorists have suggested leaping over the 'intermediate' stage and instead having a longer 'advanced stage' (theoredical developments are only set in stone once they have been voted on and approved in congresses and/or added to the party constitution)

Advanced/Final Stage of Socialism before Communism

• ⁠2100*-???
⁠• ⁠No official speculation about the exact year but before the end of this century
• ⁠Fully Socialist Economy
⁠• ⁠Single Public Ownership by entire society
⁠• ⁠Product-based distribution according to labor (overcoming/abolition of the commodity form)
⁠• ⁠Completely Planned Economy

Communism

• ⁠Single public ownership by entire society
• ⁠Product-based distribution accoriding to need primary (distributon according to labor for new products in shorter supply)
• ⁠Completely Planned Economy


Its amazing the progress made, I think deng xioping is one of the greatest minds in history. I've seen this all happen I've been following Chinese developments since 1995.
 
chinas mistake was in trying to move into hitech high value production. as long as they were acting as the worlds factory in
low cost products they were tolerated and even encouraged.
but hitech is the big western countries domain and now chinese export markets and access to technolgy will be squeezed and
they will be bogged down in an pacific arms race where they will be bled dry. china has been set up for a big coming fall


Have you ever read up on the topics discussed or do you just "feel it" to be true.
There have been massive developments in various fields some of them China actually leads like hypersonic and slight lead in AI. The other fields where they are behind they have been catching up very quickly.
 
To give you a better example I am sure you have heard about the sanctions on huawei, well part of them hit the chip industry. Huawei released a kirin processor better then anything apple had but it was manufactured by tsmc in Taiwan by machines made on Netherlands.
The sanctions cut off that so huawei will not be competing for number 1 position for another 2 to 3 years leaving dominance to apple.
So I would buy apple stocks now but in 2 to 3 years start shorting the f*ck out of it because by then one of the 5 Chinese companies working on next generation euv lithograph machines will start production. I see Chinese dominance of the semiconductor market and telecom by 2027 at the latest.

3 Chinese companies with similar technology to spacex have started operating and more are considering entering the market.
 
problem about china run deeps. to be able to become a big player you have to have a number of factors coming together e.g. strong and consistent supply chains a robust financial support system. ready and uninterrupted access to markets, a reward incentive for innovators and lack of an arms race that you are not ready for. on all this accounts china is currently fairing badly. cut from taiwanese chip technolgy is just but an example of suplly chain interruptions as you very well know the current technological sector is widely spread out with different parties mainly western nations strong in different technologies and so sanctions can severely affect china, second chinese financial system is heavily state led as is most of its leading industries which are heavily indebted e.g evergrande and the like
and the other capital is mainly western banks and investors which was based in what was the goose that lay the golden egg hongkong which china has just fucked up. western sanctions based on any number of reasons human rights and the such will restrict or close of a lot of markets. incentives on innovators is being affected by the current govmnt crackdown on high tech firms and last but not least the political tensions from the south china sea, taiwan and others is going to force china into an arms race they cant afford now. china was just forced to bite more than it can chew.
 

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