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Ajuran was claimed by alot of bantu like hintire these are the ones who have connections with angaal you also have bah hintiro. Ajuran bantu slaves have claimed to be Ajuran these sheegato is the one Abgaal comes from.
Abgaal have another ja re e r myth that says the ajuran was killing every Abgaal son some thing they copied from the story of musa and ficoon so his mother throw him after she gave birth to him then a ja r e e r woman found him oo naasnuu jisay
This makes Abgaal لقيط abandoned chilf
Both myths show Abgaals strong connection with ja ree r (hintire and Shiidle)
@themid
Hintiro is an actual hawiye clan but today their Madow slaves outnumber the asal ethnic somalis. Similar to Biimaal or Geledi. Our bah hintire (Waceysle and wacbudhan) is the asal ethnic Somali women. There is multiple factual source on Abgaal biological mother being a Ajuuran princess not even a regular person. How can a whole princess be lied about who her husband and kids were? There is also absolutely no source out there that claims Abgaal was an abandoned son.
Many people also say the Asal jileec Ajuuran that used to live in our modern day deegans (the ones that did not flee to NFD and JL) were assimilated by Abgaal. Knowing you, I suspect you believe that as well?
Putting all myths aside, the reason we are so large compared to neighbouring clans is because of our Agropastorilsm life style. Even the Waceysle in Galmudug practise it hence why they are larger than duduble for example.
It is exactly what you are claiming it to be. A myth.
Hintiro is an actual hawiye clan but today their Madow slaves outnumber the asal ethnic somalis. Similar to Biimaal or Geledi. Our bah hintire (Waceysle and wacbudhan) is the asal ethnic Somali women. There is multiple factual source on Abgaal biological mother being a Ajuuran princess not even a regular person. How can a whole princess be lied about who her husband and kids were? There is also absolutely no source out there that claims Abgaal was an abandoned son.
Many people also say the Asal jileec Ajuuran that used to live in our modern day deegans (the ones that did not flee to NFD and JL) were assimilated by Abgaal. Knowing you, I suspect you believe that as well?
Putting all myths aside, the reason we are so large compared to neighbouring clans is because of our Agropastorilsm life style. Even the Waceysle in Galmudug practise it hence why they are larger than duduble for example.
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@The Midlands You say Waceysle are fully ethnic Somalis unlike the other two but they are Bah hinitire. So if their mother is Madow why are they pure? You are contradicting yourself sxb. Now you understand how the story is BS?
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Abgaal oo ka cararaya asalkiisa ja ree rka ah laakin waa u egtahay shiikh shariif soo ja ree r maaha haduu sawhili ku hadli lahaama shaki baa kaa galu kahaa
"Salama nuux tulaan ku magac dheereyd (Salama Nasa Dheer) madama la sheego inay ahayd qof joog dheer xoog badneed abgaal way inkireen inay dhashay hada maxaa xalkan loo xasuustay.
Abgaal ilmo salama ayago ah la ogyahay waliba la ogyahay in lamagoodlaha kale ay kaga duwan yihin xooga dhaqanka sida bunka daangada soorta moxoga qaarkod xitaa muqalka Madow shabaha ayay inkireen salama waxayna qaarkood yiraahden salama naasay nasiisay ayago intaas Madow lid ku ahaansho ku duulaya.
Abgaal in badana waxay samaysten taarikh u gaar ah oo ay hooyadood uga dhigteen ajuuraan ayago inkiraya habartii dhashay ee Salama nuux tulaan hadaba intaas oo dhan marka ay samenayeen qaar kamid ah Madow ayaa dhihi jiray war abgaalow naaska yuu idin qabanin xaquuqda dadka idinla leh siiya Madowna kuma doodin waa idin dhalay ileen qof jiritankaga diidan sidee adigana u ogolaata.
Hadaba ma Madow cusub ayaa dhashay maya Madow waa isla Madowkii shalay ay Salama ka dhalatay ahaydna qoyskii reer boqor tulaan ee Madow soo maray ayaa wali jooga inkastoo qoyskii reer boqor tulaan aan la hayn hadii la raadshana la heli karo Abgaalow raali noqda oo wax Somalinimo dhaafsisan yaan iskugu imaan xaquuqda aad maanta magac salama ku imanayana Somalinimo aan idinkaga helno madama dalki adinka maxax u tihiin Salamana sidaa u inkirteen ha idinka ahaato.
Qaarka way nuujisay dhahayana nuujiskooda ha u ahaato ee Abgaalow Somalinimadaas Diintaas Dalkaas xaqa lagu wada leeyahay halayskugu turo salama aad awooto faareegii aasteen yaan dib loo soo qodin halkeed haku ekaato bahasha ileen diir naxayo haduba ikaayalo meesha laygu dulmayay maadan fadhiseen .5 olole iguma gasheen dulmi kalana iguma sii darteen ilaa daartii Hirshabeele dhisidiisa maamulka xubnaha sare adigo qaybinaya kama qadiseen bahasha marka barteeda inta lagu xiro.
Somalinimo xalka kaliya ayu ku jira xaquuqda beelahan lawada dulmay dulmigooda diida.
You’re naceeb for the clan is resorting you to use random Facebook social media clowns fkd as source. You’re not serious. Bring me books, articles etc as proof that Abgaal mother was Bantu. I will link my source of Faduma markaas mac salaama.Abgaal oo ka cararaya asalkiisa ja ree rka ah laakin waa u egtahay shiikh shariif soo ja ree r maaha haduu sawhili ku hadli lahaama shaki baa kaa galu kahaa
"Salama nuux tulaan ku magac dheereyd (Salama Nasa Dheer) madama la sheego inay ahayd qof joog dheer xoog badneed abgaal way inkireen inay dhashay hada maxaa xalkan loo xasuustay.
Abgaal ilmo salama ayago ah la ogyahay waliba la ogyahay in lamagoodlaha kale ay kaga duwan yihin xooga dhaqanka sida bunka daangada soorta moxoga qaarkod xitaa muqalka Madow shabaha ayay inkireen salama waxayna qaarkood yiraahden salama naasay nasiisay ayago intaas Madow lid ku ahaansho ku duulaya.
Abgaal in badana waxay samaysten taarikh u gaar ah oo ay hooyadood uga dhigteen ajuuraan ayago inkiraya habartii dhashay ee Salama nuux tulaan hadaba intaas oo dhan marka ay samenayeen qaar kamid ah Madow ayaa dhihi jiray war abgaalow naaska yuu idin qabanin xaquuqda dadka idinla leh siiya Madowna kuma doodin waa idin dhalay ileen qof jiritankaga diidan sidee adigana u ogolaata.
Hadaba ma Madow cusub ayaa dhashay maya Madow waa isla Madowkii shalay ay Salama ka dhalatay ahaydna qoyskii reer boqor tulaan ee Madow soo maray ayaa wali jooga inkastoo qoyskii reer boqor tulaan aan la hayn hadii la raadshana la heli karo Abgaalow raali noqda oo wax Somalinimo dhaafsisan yaan iskugu imaan xaquuqda aad maanta magac salama ku imanayana Somalinimo aan idinkaga helno madama dalki adinka maxax u tihiin Salamana sidaa u inkirteen ha idinka ahaato.
Qaarka way nuujisay dhahayana nuujiskooda ha u ahaato ee Abgaalow Somalinimadaas Diintaas Dalkaas xaqa lagu wada leeyahay halayskugu turo salama aad awooto faareegii aasteen yaan dib loo soo qodin halkeed haku ekaato bahasha ileen diir naxayo haduba ikaayalo meesha laygu dulmayay maadan fadhiseen .5 olole iguma gasheen dulmi kalana iguma sii darteen ilaa daartii Hirshabeele dhisidiisa maamulka xubnaha sare adigo qaybinaya kama qadiseen bahasha marka barteeda inta lagu xiro.
Somalinimo xalka kaliya ayu ku jira xaquuqda beelahan lawada dulmay dulmigooda diida.
Source - Enrico Cerulli, ‘How a Hawiye Tribe use to Live’
The mother of Hirabä was Faduma Karanlä. The mother of Abgal was Faduma Sargellä, who was an Aguran. She was espoused by 'Isman Darandollä. By him she had a son, who was called by the name 'Ali 'Isman. Later one went to Sargellä Garën. A learned old man went to him. He said: 'O noble Sargellä, I saw in the books that the children of the boy born to your daughter Faduma will chase your children from the earth. I saw it in the books.' 'Did you see these things?’ 'Yes, I saw them,’ he answered. 'So be it!’ the noble Sargellä replied; and into his heart came the thought: 'Rather than that your children, whom you have begotten, be killed, the son of your daughter might rather die!’ This came into his heart. After this he prepared two different amulets, one good and one bad. The bad one would kill the one who drank it. The good one would protect from any evil of this world. Then he went to his daughter. 'My Faduma, I am bringing you these two amulets: this one here – and it was the good one – you drink; and the other one – and it was the bad one – give to your son 'Ali 'Isman!’ The girl took the two amulets; but when it came to drinking them, she made a mistake! Faduma Sargellä drank the bad one and died immediately. 'Ali 'Ismän drank the good one and survived. Sargellä went back to the hut and saw his daughter dead. And the boy, when he heard his grandfather arrive, ran to the side of a saddle camel and hid behind it. 'Oh 'Ali, oh 'Ali! Come! I am your grandfather!’ Sargellä cried out, looking for the boy. 'You are not my grandfather ( abkäy ), my grandfather is the camels.' The camels ( gel ) in the language of one time were called gal. So afterwards he ('Ali 'Isman) had the name of Ab-gal ('Camel-grandfather').” The tradition substantially recalls the ancient fights between the Abgal, nomadic pastoralists who from places farther north tried to open a way to the river, and the Aguran, who dominated the region of the Middle Webi. This historical content, of course, has been adapted in popular dress with the theme, so widespread in the folklore of quite different peoples, of the prediction of the unborn child destined to drive the reigning prince from the throne. 'In this tradition Abgal has, besides his Somali name, which is explained, also a Mussulman name, 'Ali 'Isman. It does not seem necessary to me to suppose that the name 'Ali replaced the Somali one of Abgal in the genealogies in order to make them more Islamized, as one might say. The custom of several names for one single person, among which names, for the Mussulmans, are found an Arab one and one (or more) in the local language, is common in East Africa, even now.'
Pray for us. What’s your clan?
im Ogaden brother but i see it as important to teach ur children their lineage but to make it adamant that their ethnic loyalty comes above clan loyalty. Lineage should be far less important than loyalty to your people as a whole. Lineage should only be used to suport and help one another but sadly learning lineage comes with the dangerous side effect of pride. Arabs have multiple un ending clans streching from the peninsular all the way to levant all the way to chad all the way to moroco very different distinct clans but all identify as arab or assimilated arabs. The ottoman state effectively destroyed the turkish clan structure with loyalty to the turkish state before loyalty to clan.
i know what im saying is highly idalistic but it is quite possible over time. It heavily relies on a very strong state with strong institutions, dont get me wrong by strong state i dont mean 1 man power , 1 man power states are weak states only strong with that single man.. however multi layered states that started from very patriotic intellectuals with effective military accumen have historically brought nothing but prosperity and the destruction of clan dynamics to a more suitable racial dynamics.
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